[Grades] Grades v. Lakers 03/17/2012

The new coach with the best chance to reach Cousins will be?

  • a young coach to be his buddy, like Smart, except competent

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • a grizzled old warhorse with decades of NBA experience

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • a strict disciplinarian to lay down the law and provide structure

    Votes: 13 39.4%
  • a college coach used to teaching kids

    Votes: 3 9.1%

  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well...this one fell apart after half. There were some seeds already planted in the first half -- we were playing 3 on 5 with Salmons and JT largely awful, there was too much 1 on 1, and of course every opponent we face feels like its the 80s again and they should score 115. But despite all that we rode a trio of performances from IT, Reke and Patterson to a halftime tie. Then the delicate balance was broken however, and I think we did a lot of it to ourself. Reke went suddenly barbarically cold, but that was chicken and egg with a larger problem -- IT got hot. And normally a big weakness for us is we don't feed the hot guy. Except this time we did. A lot. Too much. And of course it was IT, so he started playing keepaway. The whole game stopped to watch IT be hot. Reke turned it over several times trying to force passes to him. Patterson was forgotten about entirely. MT came in and acted like he was in a fight for the ball. And our offensive balance was fractured. As much on the team as on IT, and the shame of it is I think it may have been us trying to do the right thing, but doing it badly -- the Lakers PGs are a joke defensiely and haven't been able to guard IT all year. In any case, we fought our way back into the game and cut the lead to 2, notably without IT on the floor...and then JT ran about the worst fastbreak in the history of the NBA, mishandling, misdribbling, mispassing and finally charging, and we never recovered the moment.

Ah well. If we'd won all that would have meant is more from certain corners about how we are better without Cousins -- I know this fanbase by now. We had our chances though.

Full Grading Consortium for tonight:
Bricklayer
Capt. Factorial
bajaden


Boxscore

Stats: 31min 3pts (1-7, 1-3, 0-0) 0reb 5ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Salmons ( C- ) -- I grabbed Salmons for the absent Baja tonight, remembering how Baja was complaining about having to create a macro for "Salmons misses another three" in his notes. Well, Salmons had another terrible shooting night, hitting one three and missing six other shots including a retarded turnaround jumper to beat the shot clock. He did a better job passing tonight, hitting both Tyreke and Patterson for open threes and racking up 5 total assists. Defensively he did pretty well. For one thing, he was able to knock the ball loose directly under the basket twice, once from Metta and once from Clark. One thing that's easy to miss with Salmons if you're not specifically watching is his help defense - he seemed to spend the entire night picking up his teammates' backs and challenging shots by running at a guy that got open because somebody else left them. In the end, Salmons allowed 4 points tonight on 9 shots, which is nothing at all to scoff at. Yeah, he couldn't shoot, but his passing and D save him from a horrible grade. --Capt.

Stats: 36min 22pts (9-12, 2-2, 2-2) 5reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Patterson ( A ) -- If there was a bright and shining star tonight, it was Patterson. Yeah, he could have had a few more rebounds, and perhaps kicked Antawn Jamison in the groin a couple of times to slow him down. But other than that, he probably came closer than any other King to having a perfect game. He played 36 minutes, and one could argue, that perhaps he sat on the bench too long while others played give away, or lets throw up a wild shot and see where it lands. He scored 22 points on 12 shots, and the amazing thing is, he made it look very easy. Now I don't expect him to be able to do this every night, but one thing is very obvious, he knows how to play the game. He makes few mistakes, he's unselfish and he just makes smart plays. Just the simple play of IT picking up his dribble at the top of the key, passing the ball to Patterson, who immediately passed it right back to a cutting IT for a drive to the basket.. A quick decision, and a good decision. If the Kings had five players that could play with the intelligence, and the skill level of Patterson, we'd be winning a lot more games. --Baja

Stats: 25min 4pts (2-8, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( F ) -- JT had an absolutely horrible game, but despite that, I still had him hanging onto a D. But when everything was going our way and we had the Lakers back on their heels, JT managed to screw up a three on one break with a charge. Instead of tying the game, a minute later we were down by seven. That one play seemed to change the outcome of the game. I'm not saying we would have won, but that any chance we would have had went down the drain. I like JT, and he always puts forth the effort. This is one of those days that he should have stayed in bed. JT played 25 minutes and scored four points. All four coming in the second half. He did manage to pull down 7 boards and a steal. But basicly, his whole night was a disastor. Hey! It happens to everybody. I just wish it hadn't been the Laker game. --Baja

Stats: 42min 13pts (6-19, 1-6, 0-0) 5reb 7ast 3stl 1blk 1TO
Evans ( D ) -- Tyreke had a terrible shooting night tonight. Not only was his jumper off, (1-8 on jumpers) but his shot at the basket was pretty bad as well, going 5-11 in the paint and several of those layups that he should have hit. He reverted several times into pound-the-ball Tyreke, stopping the ball movement and dribbling through his legs so that his defender knew he was going to jack up a bad shot. His passing was a different story, as he came up with seven total assists, one on a fantastic outlet pass to MT23, but only two of those came on the drive-and-kick that's been so effective for him lately. Defensively he was the typical Tyreke mixed bag - early in the game after leaving Meeks resulting in a layup he got called for a defensive three-second violation when he once again slumped about 20 feet off of his man (I wrote dirty words in my notes), though he cleaned it up a bit after that. But, he had three steals on the night and made one nice rotation onto Clark that he ran through earning himself a breakaway at the other end. Ultimately he allowed 15 points on 14 shots, which is maybe a bit better than par for the course, but that doesn't forgive his own 13 points on 19 shots, many of which he should have hit. --Capt.

Stats: 34min 26pts (9-20, 3-10, 5-5) 1reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( C- ) -- IT was out to score tonight, and while he didn't do it extremely efficiently (26 points on 22 shots), he did do it pretty often. He was on fire in the third quarter, hitting 5-7 shots and 2-4 threes (both hits being originally ruled twos and then overturned). One on drive in the third he jetted down the left side of the lane and put the ball high off the glass to avoid Dwight Howard's block, though that may have been a bad outcome as it gave him the confidence to get stuffed by Dwight twice in the fourth at times when we really needed a good possession. He had a total of 6 assists on the game (I counted four, so the official scorer might have been feeling pretty generous) but for as well as he was running the team in the first half, he turned himself into the #1 option in the third balancing out his seven shots with zero assists and only one pass that really ought to have led to one. Defensively, we know who IT is - he's the guy who boldfaced in my notes for getting killed by Nash on a screen that he was actively looking at when he ran into it. Somehow he hasn't figured out that he's not going to successfully bend time and space to allow himself to run through Dwight Howard. On another play he got caught on a screen at the three point line and let Nash simply walk in to about a 12 foot shot without even trying to catch back up to him, which he obviously could have done with any effort at all. Sure, he got onto the ground and earned (and won) a jump ball with Blake, but if he can't be bothered to put forth that kind of effort on every play, what good is it? He allowed 21 points on only 13 shots, and not a single shot that was taken against him inside the arc missed on the night. 26 points is nice, but 26 inefficient and selfish points offset by bad defense is not so nice.--Capt.
 
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Bench

Stats: 28min 8pts (4-5, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( B ) -- played a really solid game for us, although the depth of our challenge this time out can perhaps easiest be explained by noting that we tried to beat a team with Dwight Howard with Chuck Hayes and Patrick Patterson. Hayes did his job though, doing a solid job of bodying Howard and scoring with those surprising little flips., although at one point either we, or he, appeared to actually design and call for a 1 on 1 Hayes v. Howard clearout that somebody needs to be slapped in the face with a week old halibut over. Did a solid job on the boards this time out, although its worth noting that a bunch of those came during a stretch when Howard was out of the game and the matchup was Jamison. Howard dominated everyone, inclduing Chuck, on the glass tonight. Not strong enough for an A, but Chuck and Patterson were solid enough that we could have won the game with a few more people playing at that level. --Brick

Stats: 21min 15pts (6-15, 2-6, 1-1) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thornton ( C- ) -- came in misfiring, and after 6 unproductive minutes, turned it over off his own dribble, which looked loose, and then doubled the error committing a clear path foul . Seemed to be having trouble shaking Steve Blake on defense somehow as our supposed main option on a bench otherwise without any, but when Reke retunred in the second and looked for him he quickly hit two shots as a receiver before forcing up another 1 on 1 three pointer and leaving the game. Returned in the late 3rd for a suddenly struggling Reke, and just resumed his own struggle, missing repeately. Again his only real moments came in the early 4th when Reke and Douglas set him up for back to back 3pt plays, one a three pointer, the other a tough +1 in the lane. But MT was in some bizarre competition with IT to see who could gun up the most shots in the shortest amount of time, he just would not quit gunning, and for once I think Smart was, well, smart, and when he brought back IT at the 6min mark it was for MT. Otherwise we would have needed two balls out there. In any case, MT got 15 points, but never felt hot as he gunned up 15 shots in 21 minutes, and his repeated insistence on leaving open the Lakers perimeter bombers makes it very hard to call this a good night on point production alone. --Brick

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Aldrich ( INC ) -- had an extended stitn in the second quarter, but was uninspiring and did not return after half. Came in and on his first possession actually did a nice job on Howard, bodying him and keeping him out on the perimeter. Later on had another possession where he again bodied him, smothered him, and eventually even blocked his shot. But around those bright spots Howard was just too mobile and Cole seemed to be losing body contact with him too often as Howard slipped behind him on the glass and beat him down court for a series of vicious dunks. On the other end Aldrich's only moment resulted in losing the ball on the way up for a dunk and catching his own miss for a travel. --Brick

Stats: 17min 11pts (5-10, 1-4, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 2stl 1blk 0TO
Douglas ( B ) -- Douglas had a short and uninspired stint in the first half, where he managed to block one of Nash's shots but otherwise went 1-2 and didn't make a huge impact on defense. Then he came in for the final 13 minutes and began to be more of a defensive presence, but he really started to shine when the Kings went to the mini IT/TD backcourt. Once that lineup came in for the final five minutes, Douglas hit four quick baskets, going 4/5 with three layups, two on breakaways. I'm not saying I want to see more of the IT/TD lineup, I'm just saying that's when he turned it on. Those 8 quick points gave us a glimmer of hope that we might be able to come back, though obviously that wasn't to be. --Capt.
 
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Ah well. If we'd won all that would have meant is more from certain corners about how we are better without Cousins -- I know this fanbase by now. We had our chances though.

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Since we lost does that mean those same people who say that about Cousins would say the Lakers are better without Kobe?
 
As someoneI that watched this live.I was in the premier club. This team and coach are an embarrassment. We only play one on one. We have no plays and if we do the players break them. im 100% done supporting this kings organization. Hopefully the team stays and the maloofs are replaced by someone that will get a real coach and players that can play team ball. This game was never as close as it may have appeared on tv. We were pathic.

ALSO WHY THE HELL CAN'T JIMMER GET IN THE MUTHA FREAKN GAME! I may have given him a hard time last year but he's better than this Douglas guy.

at one point in the first half. the kings put in a line up with 0pts total. So at that point not a player on the courtyard a basket. While the lakers on the floor had 30ptsa total.
 
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im 100% done supporting this kings organization. Hopefully the team stays and the maloofs are replaced by someone that will get a real coach and players that can play team ball. .


Well, the team lacks talent so I'm not really surprised with the end product right now, if all goes well we will clean complete house this off-season and start to remove the dark cloud. As for getting ready to not support this franchise, I'm with you but maybe for different reason. It's mentally exhausting for me, trying to support a franchise that is in the process of being removed from me immorally (some wealthy outsider uprooting a team from a quality fanbase with $$$).. I know many on this board can put it out of their minds during the last month of this process and watch the games as if nothing is happening off the court, but I'm not being able to 100% despite how I try. I might not watch the games agin until I know that they are my team with certainty
 
In the midst of all this catastrophe,tonight proved that there are a few pieces of talent but they just do not work together well. Patterson looks to be a great piece that doesnt mind being a role player. Douglas is the first small PG that can play defense and always plays hard. Obviously Evans and Cousins have All-Star talent and IT and Thornton can be solid bench
 
In the midst of all this catastrophe,tonight proved that there are a few pieces of talent but they just do not work together well. Patterson looks to be a great piece that doesnt mind being a role player. Douglas is the first small PG that can play defense and always plays hard. Obviously Evans and Cousins have All-Star talent and IT and Thornton can be solid bench

Here's my thing. Does our talent really not fit, or does it appear to not fit because Smart is a JV level coach? We are absolutely missing a few key pieces like shoring up the SF position and another big, but this season has really started to convince me more and more that our lack of direction/leadership/structure has been a key component to our terrible play.

A good coach will always find a way to make a team work. The reason Pop/Phil/Sloan are the elite tier of coaches is not due to them knowing something about basketball that we don't; it's they are masters of controling the locker room and maximizing all the talent they have to work with.
 
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Here's my thing. Does our talent really not fit, or does it appear to not fit because Smart is a JV level coach? We are absolutely missing a few key pieces like shoring up the SF position and another big, but this season has really started to convince me more and more that our lack of direction/leadership/structure has been a key component to our terrible play.

A good coach will always find a way to make a team work. The reason Pop/Phil/Sloan are the elite tier of coaches is not due to them knowing something about basketball that we don't; it's they are masters of controling the locker room and maximizing all the talent they have to work with.

Oh, you mean the pieces we've been lacking ever since we traded Artest, who has since changed his name and won a championship?
 
Here's my thing. Does our talent really not fit, or does it appear to not fit because Smart is a JV level coach? We are absolutely missing a few key pieces like shoring up the SF position and another big, but this season has really started to convince me more and more that our lack of direction/leadership/structure has been a key component to our terrible play.

A good coach will always find a way to make a team work. The reason Pop/Phil/Sloan are the elite tier of coaches is not due to them knowing something about basketball that we don't; it's they are masters of controling the locker room and maximizing all the talent they have to work with.

I don't think the talent fits at all atm, imo if the Kings were going to build around Cousins/Evans you get guys who can do both shoot and move the ball (also move without the ball) and don't need the ball,we other than Patterson/JT don't really have that. The SF positon is at best woeful for us and we need someone like a Gordon Hayward, Wilson Chandler, Chandler Parsons, Shane Battier (slight younger), Lenoard (we ain't getting them I know just examples) type SF would be ideal they can do a bit of everything and shoot at a solid rate and at times takeover when our main games might be on the bench.

On a sidenote I have noticed lots of Rockets people becoming annoyed at T-Robs missed dunks/layups and not catching the ball issues.
 
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In answer to the question of the board: The only guy that can reach Cousins is Cousins. I don't expect some magical coach is going to miraculously win him over, leaving us with an serious minded coachable adult who doesn't let you down at big moments. Smart won him over. The honeymoon was there, and then it wasn't and Cousins did what he feels most comfortable doing. I would expect the same would happen with any coach: honeymoon, some fine performances, lots of applause, the past is forgotten, and then dissapointment.

As for the game, IT had a very good 1st half. Then he got carried away with himself in the 3rd quarter with taking too many shots. The Lakers adjusted to what he did in the 1st half; he didn't have the tool box to adjust to them. He's got to know when to hold them and when to fold them. He's struggling to find the balance. It didn't help that the other Kings like Tyreke couldn't do anything either. If you're "go to" guys aren't going, that is going to be distressing to the point guard. The JT fast break didn't help either. BBIQ continues to underwhelm. The 5th year power forward should know better. The new guys seem to have more of a clue; that is positive.

The offense isn't the primary problem, however. The real story continues to be on defense. Until that gets solved, especially in the interior, this team will continue to lose more than win. On the positive side, it looks like the Kings have improved getting back on defense.
 
IMO, Smart should have employed the "Hack a Howard" tactic when we were down around 10 with 7-8 minutes to go. But, of course, he would never think of that and things were going so well offensively with our one-on-one chucking and defensively with Jamison, Blake and company scoring at will on us.
 
Yep, it was all the referees fault.

Bear in mind, he never implied that it was the referee's fault. He just noted the lack of balance between the two teams. I however, will suggest that Dwight Howard gets special treatment at times. Not the reason we lost the game though.
 
Bear in mind, he never implied that it was the referee's fault. He just noted the lack of balance between the two teams. I however, will suggest that Dwight Howard gets special treatment at times. Not the reason we lost the game though.

What do you think about my other comment? Would you have employed the Hack a Howard tactic in the 4th quarter?
 
Bear in mind, he never implied that it was the referee's fault. He just noted the lack of balance between the two teams. I however, will suggest that Dwight Howard gets special treatment at times. Not the reason we lost the game though.

Exactly, Howard got away with murder on a couple plays but it had no bearing on the outcome of the game. We can blame that on IT going 1 on 5 in the 4th quarter, Tyreke missing point blank layups and our guys leaving their 3 point shooters wide open for absolutely no reason at all. On one play Hayes had Howard completely stuffed about 12 feet from the basket. For no apparent reason other than having zero basketball IQ, Thornton comes trotting in to "help" on a guy who has already been shut down, only to leave Blake wide open for a 3. The fact that they let Blake and Jamison beat them was embarrassing but part of that is Smart's problem. JT and Patterson aren't quick enough to guard Jamison out on the wing so he should have made substitutions.
 
I'm not going to invoke any names, but I wish we had a power forward with good hands and passing skills that dominates both scoring and rebounding. Or a Shooting Guard that can hit any shot on the court while also facilitating. Know who I'm getting at?
 
Yep, it was all the referees fault.

i never said it was. maybe it was the refs fault, maybe it was the Kings fault for fouling, maybe it was the Lakers playing good D and NOT fouling, maybe it was a mixture of the 3. the point was, when you take 8 FTs in an entire game and the opponent take 29, the outcome might not be in your favor
 
I'm not going to invoke any names, but I wish we had a power forward with good hands and passing skills that dominates both scoring and rebounding.

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Tough poll question. I couldn't decide between a competent Smart and a disciplinarian with structure. Ultimately I went with the disciplinarian, because I think a buddy would gray the lines between coach/player.
 
For the record, I do not believe that Isaiah Thomas should be or can be the starting PG for a playoff team. Also, I usually do not criticize grades but I think Isaiah Thomas's grade is too low.
Yes he ball hogged and jacked up some bad shots but he had 26 points AND a 6-1 assist-to-turnover ratio. There is no way that warrants a C- grade. If the C- is what is warranted then Evans and some other players need to be at LEAST a full letter grade below him, as in D-, etc...
 
For the record, I do not believe that Isaiah Thomas should be or can be the starting PG for a playoff team. Also, I usually do not criticize grades but I think Isaiah Thomas's grade is too low.
Yes he ball hogged and jacked up some bad shots but he had 26 points AND a 6-1 assist-to-turnover ratio. There is no way that warrants a C- grade. If the C- is what is warranted then Evans and some other players need to be at LEAST a full letter grade below him, as in D-, etc...

The game is played on both sides of the court, and Thomas hurt more than he helped yesterday defensively.
 
Yes he ball hogged and jacked up some bad shots but he had 26 points AND a 6-1 assist-to-turnover ratio. There is no way that warrants a C- grade. If the C- is what is warranted then Evans and some other players need to be at LEAST a full letter grade below him, as in D-, etc...

You'll note that Evans did in fact get a D, which is probably within quibble distance of a D- when you're talking about subjective grades.

I'm not going to rehash my reasons (basically defense and efficiency) for giving out the C-, but I will point out that I don't believe IT earned 6 assists last night - I count them all and I came up with 4 (all in the first half if I recall). The other two must have been pretty generous.
 
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