Grades v. Hornets 01/08
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I read through the whole thread and I think alot of people got caught up arguing over who took the last shot and etc, but that's not the reason we lost. The reason we lost the game was because our defense SUCKS. I rewatch the last 5 minute of the game, and amazingly there''s always one hornet with a wide open 3. I dont want to blame Bibby since he's our mr. clutch and all that, but he's the main culprit. His man got free for the open 3 and he doesnt even bother putting his hand up to do anything. He just basically stand there and watch the follow through. When you have problem guarding Baron Davis, that is one thing, but when even Dan Dickau get by you, that is completely unacceptable.
Offensively, I though Webber got a bit to jumper happy late in the game. He did not have it at all. Also terrible decision on taking that 3 to tie the game and clank it. Luckily it was pass out to Bibby who nailed the shot. That was a poor decision. We had at least 20 second left and 2 time out. The last peson i want to see taking that 3 with that much clock left is Webber ( and yes, i saw his 3 point at the buzzer earlier in the year.)
Offensively, I though Webber got a bit to jumper happy late in the game. He did not have it at all. Also terrible decision on taking that 3 to tie the game and clank it. Luckily it was pass out to Bibby who nailed the shot. That was a poor decision. We had at least 20 second left and 2 time out. The last peson i want to see taking that 3 with that much clock left is Webber ( and yes, i saw his 3 point at the buzzer earlier in the year.)
So much for our win verse the San Antoino Spurs. I thought the KIngs would do good defense after that game since the Kings did some mighty D against them. I thought we were going to get momentum and confidence after that game. I guess I was wrong.
The Kings did really good on the road trip except.............defense.
The Kings did really good on the road trip except.............defense.
Hornet's played a decent game last night, and only Tbear03 acknowledged this! Baron Davis killed us (26/10/17), didn't he just recently come off the injured list?
Web, Brad and Bibster all went 6 for something (6-6-6), that's certainly an ugly stat...
There was very little driving down the lane by Kings last night, why was that? Anderson only nabbed 3 boards, and I didn't see him as a threat under the basket during his 21 minutes, he actually seemed a little soft. Why didn't we do any driving to the basket? I saw Web take many way-too-early shots from the perimeter. Why didn't he drive down the lane more?
Missed Doug on perimeter defense, for sure. But Evans helped with 6-8 shooting and 6 boards (3 of them offensive). Maybe it was a wash without Doug's D on the floor at crucial times, I dunno...
Peja does not hang around the basket and therefore will not be picking up offensive rebounds. I'm not sure how you teach a guy to hang around the basket when a) he appears to be afraid of getting hurt and b) he wants to be open on the perimeter should one of the other King's grab the board. (?) Peja's personal D was as good as it always is last night, wasn't it? I didn't observe Peja being open at the end and/or being ignored.
Should have been more bench play for the 2nd back-to-back this week. Songalia helped out with 4 points and 4 boards (3 offensive). After checking the stats for Ostertag and KM, who combined for 5.30 minutes each for a whopping 1 TO apiece (KM did grab an OR)...No wonder Adelman wouldn't hang with the deep bench last night for long.
Just a sorry hard loss, and to the worst team in the NBA. I hated to see the King's lose this one, both for position and psyche reasons. YUCHY-POO!
Web, Brad and Bibster all went 6 for something (6-6-6), that's certainly an ugly stat...
There was very little driving down the lane by Kings last night, why was that? Anderson only nabbed 3 boards, and I didn't see him as a threat under the basket during his 21 minutes, he actually seemed a little soft. Why didn't we do any driving to the basket? I saw Web take many way-too-early shots from the perimeter. Why didn't he drive down the lane more?
Missed Doug on perimeter defense, for sure. But Evans helped with 6-8 shooting and 6 boards (3 of them offensive). Maybe it was a wash without Doug's D on the floor at crucial times, I dunno...
Peja does not hang around the basket and therefore will not be picking up offensive rebounds. I'm not sure how you teach a guy to hang around the basket when a) he appears to be afraid of getting hurt and b) he wants to be open on the perimeter should one of the other King's grab the board. (?) Peja's personal D was as good as it always is last night, wasn't it? I didn't observe Peja being open at the end and/or being ignored.
Should have been more bench play for the 2nd back-to-back this week. Songalia helped out with 4 points and 4 boards (3 offensive). After checking the stats for Ostertag and KM, who combined for 5.30 minutes each for a whopping 1 TO apiece (KM did grab an OR)...No wonder Adelman wouldn't hang with the deep bench last night for long.
Just a sorry hard loss, and to the worst team in the NBA. I hated to see the King's lose this one, both for position and psyche reasons. YUCHY-POO!
Wrong, there was only 2.5 seconds left after that 3 pointer by Bibby, no? Web missed the 3 point jumper, Peja grabbed the long board and quickly passed to Bibby, who was the only open man in 3 point range (we need 3 to tie). ???? It was the best decision of the night imo, and actually turned out to be the best shot of the night!
It's obvious to me that you probably have never played the Game of Basketball yourself personally with your what you are saying Now.You attack KING SHAKA ZULU who I know personally is one of Chris webber's and many other NBA players around the league's most notable and praised African leaders who during the month of kwanza is are one of are few celebrated Black hero,s.That for one thang was an unecessary attack that has nothing to do with Basketball you go around the league you ask any player of Nubian descent asked them what they think of KING SHAKA and they defintley will not tell you overated my friend.They will tell you he's one of few African leaders that we cling on hold to as NUBIAN PEOPLE.But to get back to the the Game of Basketball I cannot really say any more but to tell you to look at what marty mcneal said in Today's paper abou the game.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/11985176p-12859830c.html
[font=verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Kings Notes: Peja couldn't get ball with game on the line
By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, January 9, 2005
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NEW ORLEANS - Peja Stojakovic pretty much was the Kings' lone accurate shooter for most of Saturday night against the New Orleans Hornets.
But when the game was on the line, Sacramento couldn't get him the ball.
Stojakovic scored a season-high 37 points on 13 of 22 field-goal attempts (2 of 7 from three-point range) and 9 of 9 free-throw tries.
However, Stojakovic attempted just one field goal during the final eight minutes of regulation, although he did get two free-throw attempts with 1:09 left in regulation.
Sacramento put the ball into his hands in overtime, but Stojakovic was stripped by Baron Davis, who quickly fed Dan Dickau for a go-ahead layin that gave the Hornets a 109-107 lead with 3:20 left.
"They switched the way they were playing him," Kings coach Rick Adelman said of the Hornets, who used the 6-foot-3 Davis against the 6-10 Stojakovic. "They switched people and used Davis on him, and he was very aggressive against him.
"We definitely tried to run things to get him the ball, but (the Hornets) weren't covering him the way they were earlier."
That does sound like a logical concept for the Hornets, considering Stojakovic was torching Lee Nailon and Bostjan Nachbar.
The question is, where was the adjustment to the adjustment by the Kings' coaching staff or Stojakovic's adjustment to being defended by a player giving up seven inches?
That's not to mention his teammates, realizing that their hottest player on the floor wasn't getting a chance to win a game he seemed very capable of winning with just a little help.
A tale of two nights - The Hornets scored 30 points in the fourth quarter against the Kings after scoring just 11 in the fourth during a loss Friday night at Memphis.
Moreover, the Hornets had made fewer than 45 percent of their shots in 24 of their previous 28 games but shot 45.2 percent against the Kings.
The 121 points the Hornets scored were a season high, as was their 102 in regulation. They came in averaging a league-low 85.5 points per game.
Et cetera - Sacramento was outscored 18-8 in fast-break points.
* The Hornets are 2-12 at home.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/11985176p-12859830c.html
[font=verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Kings Notes: Peja couldn't get ball with game on the line
By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, January 9, 2005
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NEW ORLEANS - Peja Stojakovic pretty much was the Kings' lone accurate shooter for most of Saturday night against the New Orleans Hornets.
But when the game was on the line, Sacramento couldn't get him the ball.
Stojakovic scored a season-high 37 points on 13 of 22 field-goal attempts (2 of 7 from three-point range) and 9 of 9 free-throw tries.
However, Stojakovic attempted just one field goal during the final eight minutes of regulation, although he did get two free-throw attempts with 1:09 left in regulation.
Sacramento put the ball into his hands in overtime, but Stojakovic was stripped by Baron Davis, who quickly fed Dan Dickau for a go-ahead layin that gave the Hornets a 109-107 lead with 3:20 left.
"They switched the way they were playing him," Kings coach Rick Adelman said of the Hornets, who used the 6-foot-3 Davis against the 6-10 Stojakovic. "They switched people and used Davis on him, and he was very aggressive against him.
"We definitely tried to run things to get him the ball, but (the Hornets) weren't covering him the way they were earlier."
That does sound like a logical concept for the Hornets, considering Stojakovic was torching Lee Nailon and Bostjan Nachbar.
The question is, where was the adjustment to the adjustment by the Kings' coaching staff or Stojakovic's adjustment to being defended by a player giving up seven inches?
That's not to mention his teammates, realizing that their hottest player on the floor wasn't getting a chance to win a game he seemed very capable of winning with just a little help.
A tale of two nights - The Hornets scored 30 points in the fourth quarter against the Kings after scoring just 11 in the fourth during a loss Friday night at Memphis.
Moreover, the Hornets had made fewer than 45 percent of their shots in 24 of their previous 28 games but shot 45.2 percent against the Kings.
The 121 points the Hornets scored were a season high, as was their 102 in regulation. They came in averaging a league-low 85.5 points per game.
Et cetera - Sacramento was outscored 18-8 in fast-break points.
* The Hornets are 2-12 at home.
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Webber doesn't want to win??
Have I mentioned that your credibility is somewhere south of zero at this point?
Now we can at least have a rational discussion if you want to argue that Webber does not know how to win, or has nor made the adjustments necessary to win. But does not want to win? Yeah, right.
Have I mentioned that your credibility is somewhere south of zero at this point?
Now we can at least have a rational discussion if you want to argue that Webber does not know how to win, or has nor made the adjustments necessary to win. But does not want to win? Yeah, right.
Did you happen to read the whole article? The Kings couldn't get the ball to Peja to end regulation (which ended up tied) but
Perhaps we have different definitions of the phrase 'force the action' and that is where we got off track, well that and the whole pomposity routine. I want to see execution and smart decisions, especially down the stretch. Riding the hot hand is great and something the Kings sometimes stray from doing, but trying to force the issue and get the ball solely to the one player the defense is really keying on isn't.
Peja had a terrific scoring night, but unfortunately, as is so often the case, the Kings did not lose because of their offensive woes, they lost because the defense closely resembled a wet sponge, or swiss cheese. If they would have defended, it would not have come down to who should have been making the shot to tie the freaking game.
Also, you do not know me, do not presume to know anything about where I played.
Perhaps we have different definitions of the phrase 'force the action' and that is where we got off track, well that and the whole pomposity routine. I want to see execution and smart decisions, especially down the stretch. Riding the hot hand is great and something the Kings sometimes stray from doing, but trying to force the issue and get the ball solely to the one player the defense is really keying on isn't.
Peja had a terrific scoring night, but unfortunately, as is so often the case, the Kings did not lose because of their offensive woes, they lost because the defense closely resembled a wet sponge, or swiss cheese. If they would have defended, it would not have come down to who should have been making the shot to tie the freaking game.
Also, you do not know me, do not presume to know anything about where I played.
The question is, where was the adjustment to the adjustment by the Kings' coaching staff or Stojakovic's adjustment to being defended by a player giving up seven inches?
That's not to mention his teammates, realizing that their hottest player on the floor wasn't getting a chance to win a game he seemed very capable of winning with just a little help.
Forcing the issue what I was saying.It meant you find away by any means to get your HOT HAND the basketball.And this is what I said but in a different style of dictation.Yeah and I don't know where you played that is correct.But me an MARTY basically were saying the same things.
That's not to mention his teammates, realizing that their hottest player on the floor wasn't getting a chance to win a game he seemed very capable of winning with just a little help.
Forcing the issue what I was saying.It meant you find away by any means to get your HOT HAND the basketball.And this is what I said but in a different style of dictation.Yeah and I don't know where you played that is correct.But me an MARTY basically were saying the same things.
You were? Odd, I understood what Marty was talking about. Maybe it's because I like and respect Marty? You? I have no clue, you are all over the map on your comments.
I stand by my statements, the Kings did not lose because they didn't get Peja the ball. They lost because they didn't stop NO from scoring. You let a team shoot 50% from the arc, chances are, you are going to lose. It's not like they were 2-4 or even 5-10 either. They were 13-26
I stand by my statements, the Kings did not lose because they didn't get Peja the ball. They lost because they didn't stop NO from scoring. You let a team shoot 50% from the arc, chances are, you are going to lose. It's not like they were 2-4 or even 5-10 either. They were 13-26
Actually, Shaka has a good point. If you've never played basketball competitively you can hardly understand the game at the same level as if you did not. I agree with the young man so far and I don't think just because someone's post count is small that that means that they are any worse either (as Brick is implying) ...
sloter - What a crock. How do you know who has and hasn't played "competitively" around here? AND just because someone makes a claim to one thing or another on a message board, what proof is there?
So, actually - Shaka hasn't made ANY point that can be verified OR that means a blasted thing.
He's new to the board and comes in pounding his chest and claiming to be better than some of us who have been here for years, discussing the team, arguing with each other, etc. I think HE is the one who has some proving to do before I give his comments any further credence. What I've seen so far hasn't impressed me much.
NOTE: Just so someone doesn't play the "moderator" card, these comments are strictly from VF21 the fan.
So, actually - Shaka hasn't made ANY point that can be verified OR that means a blasted thing.
He's new to the board and comes in pounding his chest and claiming to be better than some of us who have been here for years, discussing the team, arguing with each other, etc. I think HE is the one who has some proving to do before I give his comments any further credence. What I've seen so far hasn't impressed me much.
NOTE: Just so someone doesn't play the "moderator" card, these comments are strictly from VF21 the fan.
Please! Not one of us has ever played one second of NBA basketball or coached for that matter. Look I played 6 years of basketball in JH and High school, some other people may have played some college ball but what the hell does that have to do with the NBA? Every single person who second guesses this team or it's coach is "technically" unqualified to do so. You guys that think you know everything...guess what... you're just FANS! Just like me, and just like everyone else in here. But you can't let opinion take precedent over Facts! If someone shows you in printed fact that your point was wrong, you don't win the argument by saying, "duh...well you never played basketball!" thats just stupid.
sloter - That is arguably one of the most bigoted, baised, inciteful comments you have ever made on this board and that's saying something.
What a load of bull****.
Last time I looked, there was nothing in the FAQs that said someone had to have played "organized" basketball (provide a definition for me on that BTW when you get a chance) to have their opinions count on this board nor should it. People earn the respect of other posters on this board AS THEY SHOULD by their knowledge and love of the game, NOT by whether or not they have some set of credentials being flaunted by some newbie who can't seem to stay on topic to save his life.
His continued presence here is in real jeopardy, but it's probably for the best. If "shaka zulu" is so informed and knowledgeable, he'd probably be a lot happier elsewhere where there are more "peers" with which to share his insight.
What a load of bull****.
Last time I looked, there was nothing in the FAQs that said someone had to have played "organized" basketball (provide a definition for me on that BTW when you get a chance) to have their opinions count on this board nor should it. People earn the respect of other posters on this board AS THEY SHOULD by their knowledge and love of the game, NOT by whether or not they have some set of credentials being flaunted by some newbie who can't seem to stay on topic to save his life.
His continued presence here is in real jeopardy, but it's probably for the best. If "shaka zulu" is so informed and knowledgeable, he'd probably be a lot happier elsewhere where there are more "peers" with which to share his insight.
By organized basketball I mean something where you have coaches and practices and you compete. I know I learned a lot of things that I never knew about until I started practicing even though I played basketball with my friends since I was 5.
And don't get me wrong. I think there's plenty of good opinions here too and I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I did feel bad when the new guy got ripped by Bricklayer for what appeared to be a really good point he made. I actually think that might have been the first time Bricklayer ever overreacted.
And don't get me wrong. I think there's plenty of good opinions here too and I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I did feel bad when the new guy got ripped by Bricklayer for what appeared to be a really good point he made. I actually think that might have been the first time Bricklayer ever overreacted.
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Right! so Rick Adelman knows way more than you or me because he played NBA ball and has coached it right? You know that means you can't second guess him bescause he played and coached at a higher level than you right? Webbers played a lot more Ball than you too... So using your logic, I know I won't see any more posts from you questioning Rick or C-webb cuz they know better than you. OK?
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Right! so Rick Adelman knows way more than you or me because he played NBA ball and has coached it right? You know that means you can't second guess him bescause he played and coached at a higher level than you right? Webbers played a lot more Ball than you too... So using your logic, I know I won't see any more posts from you questioning Rick or C-webb cuz they know better than you. OK?
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