[Grades] Grades v. Heat and Three Guys Who Had Money on the Game 11/1/2016

[BeerNerd916]

He grbas the arm later, after Whiteside had fouled him. You can put your arm out there in a natural stride motion. That is not illegal. I've been explaining this all day. People just don't seem to know the rules.

Here's Lilliard doing the same arm motion in a nba rulebook video:

http://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/illegal-contact-above-free-throw-line-extended-handcheck/

Cousins does hold the arm later on, but that's after the reach-in and hit on the knee/thigh.

I rarely agree with you. But you are spot on here.

 

[John Galt]

What part of the "first violation takes precedence" do you not understand?



You said the forearm was the foul. The forearm occurred close to the basket (if at all). The grab occurred at the free throw line. If you are contending the second foul should be called instead of the first foul then you have a misunderstanding of the rules of basketball.

The best replay is from court level that shows Whiteside reach at free throw line. If Boogie drives through his arm, he is going to get the whistle! But he didn't drive through his arm. He used his left hand to grab his arm and move it out of the way . This is obvious if you study the play. Of course I didn't need to study it because this was apparent to me during the telecast.

I am gonna screenshot this for you to put this baby to bed

First here's Boogie getting ready to make his move:

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In this next caption below, it is blurry, but as Boogie puts the ball down Whiteside reaches.

If Boogie drives through his arm he gets the foul call! But he doesn't. Before contact is made he grabs his arm.

That blurry part above Whiteside's arm band is Boogie's hand.

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In this final caption from another angle you can see Boogie has locked onto to Whiteside's arm and pulled it down to his side in a clear and obvious offensive foul before any other inappropriate contact by Whiteside.

Case closed.

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I don't see how there can be a successful rebuttal to what you've just shown here. Tough game to lose.

 

[ppine]

No, that is just what Cousins does.
Tonight I am watching the Celtics vs the Bulls. I don't see any antics and drama in the game. It is very refreshing.

 

[dude12]

Don't watch the Kings.

 

[kingsboi]

It's a long plane ride?

That same concept applies for other West Coast teams, and they find a way to beat them?

 

[Glenn]

That same concept applies for other West Coast teams, and they find a way to beat them?

That's why I put a "?" Give me a break. I don't keep track of all the West Coast records against Miami as you must. If you are most interested in putting people down, let me know. If you want a discussion where you and another person who follows the same team benefit by learning, I would prefer that.

 

[King in England]

I find the dynamic of this forum very interesting.

There seems to be core of people, who clearly do care about the Kings, but feel the need to point fingers at certain members of the organisation. I'd like to assume this isn't to pedal any personal agendas, but it just seems an odd behaviour for a member of the site 'Kings Fans', to actively criticise every little mistake a certain player/gm/coach etc does. Don't get me wrong, people should be help accountable for the success of this team, but we're 5 games into the season I expected a little more faith. A little more optimism. Especially when two of those losses are back to back games, on the road, against fairly decent teams.

I don't even want to say much about the reffing, as I always try to refrain from criticising the tough job they have to do. In my opinion the frustrating thing is, I see that move (on the 6th foul) by Cousins go unpunished league wide and I don't think it's unrealistic to complain that it seemed like inconsistency from the refs. I know some of you will scream that technically Cousins initiated some contact on the play, but I just think that if refs were to enforce those technicalities, games around the NBA would end up 3-on-3 after 48 mins with entire squads fouling out. The fact that Whiteside fouls him at least twice as well, during that play just exacerbates the situation further. Oh and some of the earlier calls were actually more shocking I thought, the missed travel calls and the phantom offensive foul in particular.

 

[Siranthony]

Thinking about the game... The Heat sat Whiteside through the majority of the game. Even when Cousins was in. So they never really took us seriously. They actually left the door open for us but we somehow could not close the deal. Really strange how unfair the calls where down the stretch of the game. But our guys looked tired most of the game. I really notice how refs give more breaks to the team that is more aggressive and on the ball. We should always be the aggressor. Even if it means sitting tired players. The Heat fans reveled in our misfortune. Thought that was petty chanting during overtime knowing we had no chance without Cousins. No point in complaining. No one will care. We will get no sympathy.

 

[KingMilz]

Thinking about the game... The Heat sat Whiteside through the majority of the game. Even when Cousins was in. So they never really took us seriously. They actually left the door open for us but we somehow could not close the deal. Really strange how unfair the calls where down the stretch of the game. But our guys looked tired most of the game. I really notice how refs give more breaks to the team that is more aggressive and on the ball. We should always be the aggressor. Even if it means sitting tired players. The Heat fans reveled in our misfortune. Thought that was petty chanting during overtime knowing we had no chance without Cousins. No point in complaining. No one will care. We will get no sympathy.

Nah that's cause he was in foul trouble due to 2-3 awful foul calls which the refs decided to pay back in the final quarter against Cousins sadly.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I find the dynamic of this forum very interesting.

There seems to be core of people, who clearly do care about the Kings, but feel the need to point fingers at certain members of the organisation. I'd like to assume this isn't to pedal any personal agendas, but it just seems an odd behaviour for a member of the site 'Kings Fans', to actively criticise every little mistake a certain player/gm/coach etc does. Don't get me wrong, people should be help accountable for the success of this team, but we're 5 games into the season I expected a little more faith. A little more optimism. Especially when two of those losses are back to back games, on the road, against fairly decent teams.

I don't even want to say much about the reffing, as I always try to refrain from criticising the tough job they have to do. In my opinion the frustrating thing is, I see that move (on the 6th foul) by Cousins go unpunished league wide and I don't think it's unrealistic to complain that it seemed like inconsistency from the refs. I know some of you will scream that technically Cousins initiated some contact on the play, but I just think that if refs were to enforce those technicalities, games around the NBA would end up 3-on-3 after 48 mins with entire squads fouling out. The fact that Whiteside fouls him at least twice as well, during that play just exacerbates the situation further. Oh and some of the earlier calls were actually more shocking I thought, the missed travel calls and the phantom offensive foul in particular.

Silly British spellings aside, you should post more.

 

[IfAt1st]

He grbas the arm later, after Whiteside had fouled him. You can put your arm out there in a natural stride motion. That is not illegal. I've been explaining this all day. People just don't seem to know the rules.

Here's Lilliard doing the same arm motion in a nba rulebook video:

http://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/illegal-contact-above-free-throw-line-extended-handcheck/

Cousins does hold the arm later on, but that's after the reach-in and hit on the knee/thigh.

I refrained from posting on this topic until I got a good look at the replay.

My analysis: There were SIX utterly egregious calls - clearly incorrect calls - all against the Kings in the 4th quarter.
And that's not including the last amazingly-questionable one against Cousins that is dominating the discussion.

There is very little statistical chance that the refs would get SIX blatant calls wrong, all breaking against the same team, unless there was some bias that affected their performance that night.
That's why the Kings franchise should man up and protest to the league, sending tape highlighting the obviously-incorrect calls which preceded the last game-affecting drive.
But they won't, because they lack the intestinal fortitude and credibility that other franchises have (see Mark Cuban in Dallas doing this regularly through the years to advocate for his team).

But I'm glad swishh posted that Lilliard rulebook video, because it bring up something I almost posted earlier:

The NBA rules are virtually impossible to enforce correctly as currently written and interpreted.

On most plays, there is precedent to call fouls both ways, on the offense or the defense, depending on how the ref sees it.

Here's a perfect example: http://videorulebook.nba.com/archiv...back-down-by-offensive-player-multiple-bumps/
There is NO difference between the 3 bumps, other than the 3rd bump the defender chose to flop backwards.
The referee's calls are dominated by reaction - not by action - which makes it a macabre contest of "whoever can exaggerate contact the most gets the call."

That's a problem.
That's a SERIOUS problem, which basically makes every review of officials a joke, since there's precedent to call things whatever way they did.

The FACT of the matter is - that call wouldn't have been made in the last minute against the star ballhandler in any other game in the NBA. No way, no how.
Out of all the "name players" in the league, only Demarcus Cousins is treated like this.
And the Kings franchise STILL won;t go to bat for him with demonstrative protests, advocating behind the scenes (we would have heard about it by now, after 7 years), or on-camera interviews by front office personnel and coaches that make this point loud and clear.

 

[Kingster]

Stop bringing it up and talk about the real problems or deficiencies in games. That's what should happen

That's one way to look at it.

 

[kingsboi]

That's why I put a "?" Give me a break. I don't keep track of all the West Coast records against Miami as you must. If you are most interested in putting people down, let me know. If you want a discussion where you and another person who follows the same team benefit by learning, I would prefer that.

You really took my post as trying to put people down? Come on now. You are being way too sensitive about this if that is the case. Otherwise, let's stay on topic.