[Grades] Grades v. Hawks 11/18/2015

Most disappointing effort of the night?

  • Rudy

    Votes: 21 36.2%
  • Cuz

    Votes: 7 12.1%
  • Rondo

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • Karl

    Votes: 22 37.9%

  • Total voters
    58

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Alright, long story short here, we played like crap.

In fact all 4 of the pillars of the team played like crap, Cuz was poor, Rondo threw the ball over the gym again, Rudy was terrible...and joining them was George Karl, who simply refused to use WCS's length, because he apparently needs to relearn the lesson again and again, and watched us brick three after three after he benched the only guy hitting them (Ben) .

In short the whole team felt just off their game somehow. Its something in the Atlanta water I think. You can see how eternally cranky its makes Mr. Slim.

So frustrating, seemingly unnecessary loss. And it drops us back to 4-8 and back into danger of returning to joke status. The good news is that in my theoretical projection of our games last week, where looking ahead I could see us reaching .500 on Jan 7 against the Lakers, I assumed this loss. Its frustrating. not fatal.

Boxscore

Stats: 29min 14pts (5-13, 0-1, 4-4) 6reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Summary: thank you Rudy, for sucking eggs. Forced everything into traffic. Mysteriously pulled in mid 3rd when looked like he might get something going.

Gay ( D+ ) -- Rudy Gay started this game in the hole as far as my grading was concerned. On the very first defensive play he literally ran away from a wide open Justin Holiday with the ball outside the arc, giving the Hawks an early 3-0 lead, giving Rudy an F to start, and he was forced to work his way up from there. His offense didn't really help too much, as he didn't shoot very well and forced up a couple of impossible shots in the lane, one of those surrounded by five white shirts, and he committed a big turnover on a drive in the final few minutes as we attempted our comeback. On defense, Rudy was inexplicably matched up on Schroder, and it didn't really work. Schroder scored 9 while Rudy was guarding him and quite a few more on those obligatory switches when a big man peeled Rudy off of him on a switch. All told, Rudy allowed at least 6 open threes to be taken (hit at 50%) due to poor effort on D. His finest defensive effort of the night probably came on the decisive play of the game, where Paul Millsap attacked him and was forced into a very difficult shot in the lane. Unfortunately that shot went in, and the Hawks took a 4 point lead. About the best thing I can say about Rudy's game today (outside of his good rebounding effort) is that he was NOT in the game during the miserable final three minutes of the first half where we dug ourselves that ten-point hole we never made it out of. --Capt.

Stats: 16min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Summary: should not have started, but played good defense in early stint, thereafter was small and completely ineffective.

Acy ( D+ ) -- got the headshaking start because obviously the answer when an opponent starts a talented undersized PF is to counter by starting an untalented undersized PF yourself to match him and guarantee you lose the position battle. But for about 4 or 5 minutes at the beginning of the game Quincy was alleviating some of those concerns with some good hustle plays on defense, including racing back to break up a Hawks break, and a block on the perimeter on Holiday ass well. But as the numbers amply indicate, the hustle, or at least any impact from it, did not survive past the first timeout, and we began to pay for his midgetsness late in the half as we collapsed and had no rim protection or rebounding whenever Boogie got pulled to the perimeter chasing a Hawks shooter. The same nonsense resumed as Acy started the 3rd and was completely ineffective in there leading, finally!, to his replacement by WCS in the mid quarter. 0pts 1reb 1ast and the worst +/- on the team in only 16 minutes isn't a quality start no matter what the tired old man we elected coach may say. --Brick

Stats: 34min 24pts (7-20, 1-5, 9-11) 12reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Summary: inefficient, off his game, and frustrated from the beginning. Chippy too, and several times reacted by throwing elbows. Poor after the first.

Cousins ( C- ) -- even in the first quarter of this one, while Boogie was off to another 13pt start, there was something the matter with his head. I have no idea what it was -- but this was one of those games where he was going to be sensitive and overreact to any contact from nearly the beginning of the game, so there was a lot of flailing and complaining even before there seemed to be much reason for him to be upset. Still, he made a number of the plays he can make, including several catches of fullcourt Rondo passes that I can only assume were called for in the gameplan because they were so risky . He hit a jumper, and after a scrap with Splitter hit him with a three, a drive, a couple of FTs, and a beautiful baseline spin move (later in the game Splitter would remember that one and catch Cuz next time he tried to go to it). But there were also a couple of uncharacteristic fumbles of catches and boards, despite the good numbers the 12 boards here were a little soft, mostly of the uncontested variety, and after our late 2nd quarter collapse, Cuz came out in the third and gave us little, missing and missing, still chippy, and he wouldn't stop shooting threes. And this is one of those games where that is unacceptable again. 3 or 4 of 5 is one thing. You're hot, you take them. But no 6'111" 270lb center should continue going to that well when its not his night. He was just off, and some of the fears I had that by wussifying his game we were making him deadly against big centers, but quite guardable by the blown up PFs seemed to manifest. Now the question becomes whetehr one of those elbows he threw might cause us to lose him for the game vs. the Heat. --Brick

Stats: 18min 11pts (4-8, 3-3, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Summary: we had ONE guy hitting threes. One. And we benched him for the final 18 minutes. Think the problem may have been Shroeder.

McLemore ( A ) -- There is a little bit of a curve here, as this is not the same timid, listless kid from the first five games of the season. Ben was taking and hitting open shots tonight. More importantly, he was aggressively hounding Korver all game long, never giving him space for a catch and shoot. The only shot Korver hit against Ben was a tough leaning three coming around a screen, and Ben had a hand in his face. You have to live with those. Ben, on the other hand, hit all three of his takes from the arc tonight and had a good basket in transition, going into Horford's body to deny the chasedown block. Inexplicably, Karl decided to play a recovering Collison over Ben down the final stretch of the game when the team's defense was struggling to stick to shooters. Another strong showing for the kid and another instance of Ben being the best perimeter defender on the team by just sticking to his assignment. --Hadlowe

Stats: 31min 12pts (6-9, 0-0, 0-0) 12reb 10ast 1stl 0blk 7TO
Summary: Rajon Rondo got another triple double tonight. Nobody mentioned it however, because he almsot got a quadruple double with silly TOs.

Rondo ( C ) -- I really did not know what to make of this game. Rondo notched a triple double. He made some great passs. But even half of the great passes were these incredibly risky full court bombs to Rudy or Cuz basket hanging amongst crowds of Hawks I jsut have to imagine that was gameplanned, but it was so so risky. And even the non-resiky stuff was an adventure as Rajon was just flat missing people. the worst was a terrible terrible pass out of bounds with 50 seconds to go when holy poop, it looked like we might actually find a way to steal the game. Just really hard to be reliable general leader guy when you are Benedict Arnolding and giving the other team the ball as often as your own. Not sure what the source of the turnover problems is, but it really has to end. --Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 14min 0pts (0-2, 0-0, 0-0) 5reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Cauley-Stein ( B- ) -- came off the bench as Karl persisted in his own variety of rookie hazing, but was much as he has been. His length helped immensely on defense vs. the small Hawks, and he provided a solid 2nd player of size to protect the rim and help on the glass when Cuz was pulled away from the hoop. He picked up 2 quick fouls, and was sent packing to the bench despite fouls hardly seeming to matter for a guy Karl only plays 15min a night anyway. Was belatedly called upon in the third after Acy got off to a helpless start, and again made us better despite his only individual play of note being an attempt at a flying hammer dunk in the early 4th that came up short and triggered a Raptors break. While Acy has the worst +/- on the night, WCS had the best. Somebody other than me should mention that to Karl. --Brick

Stats: 26min 8pts (4-8, 0-2, 0-0) 4reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Casspi ( C- ) -- Omri actually had a pretty good game on offense. Outside of a travel call during our comeback attempt, he was basically under control on the offensive end. He had a couple of nice drives to the hoop and showed good touch on several shots in the paint, and while he missed both of his three attempts, they were the right shot and they were open. Defensively, his first half was inexplicable - he was essentially playing some sort of all-help-all-the-time defense which made it so that the only way to tell which man he was SUPPOSED to be guarding was to look for who was wide open. I was able to count at least three instances where he blatantly left a player who subsequently got a good shot, but luckily for us both Thabo and Schroder missed and Korver (he left KORVER?!?) put his toe on the line to cost a point. He tightened up his defense in the second half - in fact I didn't note a single player getting a shot up against him, so at the very least the chewing out at halftime was able to fix that. He even made a very smart play on a potential fast break early in the fourth, taking a quick foul before it turned into a clear path situation. Omri certainly wasn't the biggest problem with the Kings in this game, but he wasn't nearly good enough to save us, either. --Capt.

Stats: 26min 8pts (3-8, 0-2, 2-2) 3reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Belinelli ( C ) -- Another mediocre shooting night for Belinelli, despite some good looks at the basket. He hit his first two shots of the game, both long 2's coming off of downscreens, and then nothing until late in the third when an offensive board landed in his lap and he hit an easy layin. On defense, he got lost tracking Korver around screens twice in a row, and Karl promptly switched him to guarding Sefalosha who is not an offensive threat. He is doing a good job getting open coming off screens, but it's the secondary motion from the screeners and weakside that is causing problems now. Belinelli will curl off a pindown underneath the basket, but the screener doesn't move to open space for a pass, and nobody from the weakside is doing anything on the play. I expect that will improve as the season goes on. Right now, it is two or three guys involved in a play and that's it. --Hadlowe

Stats: 28min 7pts (3-9, 1-3, 0-0) 2reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Collison ( C ) -- wasted no time getting a free dart to the hoop, and speed looked undiminished in the early going as he darted about setting people up with passes. Defensively it was less satisfactory as he kept drifting off of the Hawks' three point shooter, which is just inexplicable. Had a long, likely too long as he looked tired, 2nd half stint both running the point, and running as a mini-SG next to Rondo. Our switchapalooza defense saw him actually end up having to guard Milsap a few times, although after Milsap ran in for a big dunk on one of those occasions, on the next one SC actually did a nice job holding Milsap off and intercepting his pass. In the late third repeatedly set up Belinelli and Casspi for open corner threes, but neither of them were going to hit them tonight. Karl kept on playing him, and he began to have 4th quarter misadventures, a ridiculous fumble the ball all over the court possession in the early 4th, made a nice play to get a steal and then got chased down from behind by Milsap for the breakaway block. He did finally hit a late three for us, but I'm not sure how much he was helping later in the game. --Brick

Stats: 21min 13pts (6-9, 0-0, 1-1) 6reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Koufos ( B ) -- gave us solid work throughout with just meat and potatoes little hooks and finishes using his size and the Hawks' lack thereof. He payed good defense as well on the interior, although obviously not well suited to chase all the Hawks weenies around the perimeter.--Brick
 
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I still have us at .500 on Christmas morning. What a gift it would be for everyone to wake up, grab some coffee, open presents and think of me.

Seriously though, tomorrow? Have to get it.
 
I missed the first 40 minutes of the game, so I can't speak to how we played then, but when I tuned in, this game was well within reach for us to win if we get after it the last 9 minutes. And we once again devolved into bad shot selection, dumb turnovers and lazy defense. Basically an exact mirror of what happened vs the Spurs; game was within reach to win and choked away the end.

Seems like this team can keep it together for 40 minutes, but just doesn't know how to close games yet. Which is fine, but that's a hurdle we need to get over if we want to be sniffing the playoffs.
 
Bogut and Horford have been the two best in the league guarding Cousins and Splitter is too. What Horford has is length, quickness and smarts and you need all three.
 
Acy over WCS in the starting lineup makes me want to puke. You like Acy's energy more? What a pile of dog **** what the hell kind of player do you think WCS is? And why such little burn for Ben? He's been tearing it up, enough with these awful small lineups that suck at both ends
 
Unwillingness to play WCS.
Giving Ben few minutes now that he's playing better.
Sticking with Marco no matter how poorly he's playing.
Small ball.
The Rondo/DC combo.
Not playing defense/offense at the end of games.

I still don't like Karl.
 
Rondo gets my BOOO ball tonight, as his turnovers really really hurt us. Sure he made some great plays, but we need him in better form the entire night. Rudy was pretty bad too.

I don't mind Karl experimenting with Acy this early, but in most games I'd much rather have WCS in there.

Game ball to KK.

Please run some inside out game Karl with Cousins and KK, Marco can't run around with the best wing defender on him every possession and expect to have it. We need some inside out passing, then find him set.
 
If Marco continues have this much difficulty getting open, his signing is not going to work out. He's running left and right and juking this way and that and he can't create space. I feel like I can count on one hand the number of pure looks he's gotten this year. I know his rep precedes him with opponents but I thought he'd be better.
 
Unwillingness to play WCS.
Giving Ben few minutes now that he's playing better.
Sticking with Marco no matter how poorly he's playing.
Small ball.
The Rondo/DC combo.
Not playing defense/offense at the end of games.

I still don't like Karl.
Obvious best lineup to close last 8 min should have been rondo, Ben, casspi, WCS, cousins
 
If Marco continues have this much difficulty getting open, his signing is not going to work out. He's running left and right and juking this way and that and he can't create space. I feel like I can count on one hand the number of pure looks he's gotten this year. I know his rep precedes him with opponents but I thought he'd be better.

What do you want from the guy? He's running his butt off out there, catching the ball with people darting out at him, or picking him up 5 feet behind the 3 point line.
Blame the offensive ball movement.
 
What do you want from the guy? He's running his butt off out there, catching the ball with people darting out at him, or picking him up 5 feet behind the 3 point line.
Blame the offensive ball movement.

I don't doubt he's trying but I thought we'd see more savvy. Guy has to work awfully hard just get a shot. It is still early but I thought he was going to be more of spark.
 
Marco has been playing like crap, however, he still gets the benefit of the doubt because he's a proven vet.

I though this is what people wanted? Marco starting
 
I don't doubt he's trying but I thought we'd see more savvy. Guy has to work awfully hard just get a shot. It is still early but I thought he was going to be more of spark.

If we had good ball movement it would help his case. The touches he gets are after too much work and not good form. He's a team offense type of guy. What he has been asked to do is just too much.

It wont work.
 
Still mind boggled by George Karl's decision making. And i hate both his offensive and defensive schemes.

We have the most dominant offensive paint presence in the NBA standing around the 3pt line. Not only does this allow the defense to not have to guard him in the paint, but it takes away our strongest offensive rebounder. Go back and watch the 4th, there was a stretch where the Kings were trying to cut the lead down, Omri shot a 3, drove and missed a layup on the next play, and a few more possessions, all of which DMC didn't take a step inside the arc. Who knows how many of those bricks could have been put back in by Cousins if he was in there boxing out.

the occasion trailer 3 is ok, but standing out there for the duration of an offensive set is asinine
 
I think we were actually quite a bit better than the Hawks team we faced tonight. We just didn't play like it. Pretty much everybody on the team laid an egg tonight, we were inconceivably sloppy with the ball, and we didn't play D anywhere near our capability (not that out capability is that of a top-notch defensive team, though). This was a frustrating loss because we are a good enough team to win this game and Atlanta didn't really play that great. A team plays out of their mind and beats you? All right. A team is just plain better than you and wins? OK. But a team gives a lackluster effort and you play down to get underneath them? That hurts.
 
Still mind boggled by George Karl's decision making. And i hate both his offensive and defensive schemes.

We have the most dominant offensive paint presence in the NBA standing around the 3pt line. Not only does this allow the defense to not have to guard him in the paint, but it takes away our strongest offensive rebounder. Go back and watch the 4th, there was a stretch where the Kings were trying to cut the lead down, Omri shot a 3, drove and missed a layup on the next play, and a few more possessions, all of which DMC didn't take a step inside the arc. Who knows how many of those bricks could have been put back in by Cousins if he was in there boxing out.

the occasion trailer 3 is ok, but standing out there for the duration of an offensive set is asinine

His offensive schemes are actually pretty good, it's just the lineup composition that is the issue.

The D is a mess.
 
What do you want from the guy? He's running his butt off out there, catching the ball with people darting out at him, or picking him up 5 feet behind the 3 point line.
Blame the offensive ball movement.
Hes being treated like Korver in the playoffs. In San Antonio most of his looks came from simple ball movement, they rarely ran plays for him.
 
Hes being treated like Korver in the playoffs. In San Antonio most of his looks came from simple ball movement, they rarely ran plays for him.

It's another reason to work the inside out game with Cousins. Cuz throws the ball out to the corner 3 area, if that look is taken away it is tossed to a guy like Marco. Same with KK occasionally.

But no, we keep Cousins out of the paint frequently, or go to Rudy in isolation.

You've got a lethal guy on the floor, get him some space. If they don't double Cousins he can man handle them.

We can keep Cousins out at times, but we should be looking to him in the paint more, not him driving through the paint.
 
His offensive schemes are actually pretty good, it's just the lineup composition that is the issue.

The D is a mess.

Nothing about leaving Cousins on the perimeter like he's Kyle Korver and giving opposing defenses a pass on having to guard him in the paint is good.

Cousins in the paint opens up perimeter shooters, has our best rebounder around the rim ready to grab offensive boards or putbacks, gets opposing bigs into foul trouble, gets us in the penalty, etc.

Cousins on the Perimeter does what? Opens up the interior for Kosta Koufos? how exciting.
 
Nothing about leaving Cousins on the perimeter like he's Kyle Korver and giving opposing defenses a pass on having to guard him in the paint is good.

Cousins in the paint opens up perimeter shooters, has our best rebounder around the rim ready to grab offensive boards or putbacks, gets opposing bigs into foul trouble, gets us in the penalty, etc.

Cousins on the Perimeter does what? Opens up the interior for Kosta Koufos? how exciting.

Also if Cousins is banging more, it puts pressure on the defense to potentially leave WCS. Rondo can get that guy a couple of EZ looks if they cheat too much, also may help his offensive rebounding too.
 
Another horrible shooting night from Cuz. It's going to be harder and harder for Brick to put up an argument about why the shooting percentage is misleading for the future HOF'er.
 
Also if Cousins is banging more, it puts pressure on the defense to potentially leave WCS. Rondo can get that guy a couple of EZ looks if they cheat too much, also may help his offensive rebounding too.
It puts pressure on the defense to leave Rondo and WCS wide open. What are the chances that Cousins doesn't turn it over with 3 guys all in his face with his back to the basket?

It's not Cousins' nor Karl's fault that the roster is assembled with a bunch of guys who can't shoot.

If we play Cousins inside, the team will lose. I firmly believe that.

Unless we decide to roll out a lineup of Collison/Ben/Omri/Gay/Cousins, the more we put Cousins outside, the better.

Last year it worked well with Malone, because we at least had Collison who can shoot.

I think Karl needs to think about starting Collison. However, I feel like Rondo would get pissy and do us like he did Dallas. So it's a L-L situation for Karl. Right now, playing Cousins outside is the best way to go on offense.

This is UNLESS, Vlade makes moves.

I don't mind this offense at all.

Turnovers came from Rondo deciding to throw crap away. It didn't come from Karl's offense.
 
Acy over WCS in the starting lineup makes me want to puke. You like Acy's energy more? What a pile of dog **** what the hell kind of player do you think WCS is? And why such little burn for Ben? He's been tearing it up, enough with these awful small lineups that suck at both ends
Well Acy was pretty decent











until the first timeout. Problem is it shows the greater theory behind the Karl madness. If in doubt, go small.
 
It puts pressure on the defense to leave Rondo and WCS wide open. What are the chances that Cousins doesn't turn it over with 3 guys all in his face with his back to the basket?

It's not Cousins' nor Karl's fault that the roster is assembled with a bunch of guys who can't shoot.

If we play Cousins inside, the team will lose. I firmly believe that.

Unless we decide to roll out a lineup of Collison/Ben/Omri/Gay/Cousins, the more we put Cousins outside, the better.

Last year it worked well with Malone, because we at least had Collison who can shoot.

I think Karl needs to think about starting Collison. However, I feel like Rondo would get pissy and do us like he did Dallas. So it's a L-L situation for Karl. Right now, playing Cousins outside is the best way to go on offense.

This is UNLESS, Vlade makes moves.

I don't mind this offense at all.

Turnovers came from Rondo deciding to throw poopoo away. It didn't come from Karl's offense.

I want to be clear that we should put him in the paint more, not 100% of the time. Depends on the flow, if he is down the court early, that would be a good time to do it. If he is trailing, keep him on the outside.

I think Rondo is capable of making the defense make a tough decision and being able to toss an entry pass into Cousins. Depending on who cheats to help really dictates the inside out pass. Rondo is still capable of driving if you ignore him completely.
 
Meh! Kings almost beat the Hawks even with all the wrong things the team have done.
I'll let this game, we need to lose this one to learn that somethings needs to really change for good if we want to learn.
Now onward to another 3 win streak.
 
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