[Grades] Grades v. Hawks 1/4/11

Who sucketh the worsteth tonight?

  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 9 20.5%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 9 20.5%
  • Carl Landry

    Votes: 11 25.0%
  • Bill Walton

    Votes: 15 34.1%

  • Total voters
    44

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Interesting game to grade given that I had started making garbagetime notes next to everything by the early 4th, and yet we came back so hard and strong that its hard to typify it as anything but a legitimate effort to win it. If the Hawkls mis a few FTs, if Johnson doesn't beat OMri on that one play at the 1:00 mark, if if if...we had this thing at 5 and then 4 points in the last minute. It coulda happened. And a great look at what the future could be like wiht both our great young weapons in high gear in the 4th -- which is to say just flat unfair.

Theme tonight stems from a little chat I was having with somebody about Alan Rickman -- an actor who as far as I can remember has never once been bad in anything. Always adds something to whatever he is in. So we'll call the theme: The Rickman Effect -- Actors Who Are/Were Always Good

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Garcia ( C+ ) -- I had relatively few notes about Cicso in this game, other than noting that the Hawks are absolute idiots and did not take advantage of an obvious power mismatch inside with Josh Smith playing SF against Cisco, outweighing him by 40lbs, and doubling his vert. Once or twice Cisco was not able to handle his strength in the post, and certainly there was no question of him grabbing a rebound on a night when we needed help there, but all in all he was largely able to counter Smith's offensive output at least with an early three, a couple of runouts etc. And then suddenly popped up after being the forgotten man in our big comeback (Donte took his place and Casspi was at SG) and knocked down a three at the 30 second mark to cut the lead back to 6 as we kept knocking until the end.
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Alan Rickman -- he broke onto the scene as the villain in Die Hard, chewed scenery as the Sheriff of Nottingham, played a long suffering romantic hero in Sense & Sensibility, the Spock spoofing Dr. Lazurus in Galaxy Quest, a mortally bankrupt cheating spouse in Love Actually, and the is he evil is he not Professor Snape of Harry Potter Fame. Nobody plays exasperation better and through it all he's shown a rare charisma stealing scenes no matter the role.

Thompson ( D+ ) -- Jason is getting too old to continue to have these sorts of games popping up all the time where he's just clearly off and it bleeds over to everything, and its one of the primary reasons for the line of thought that he may be best as a PF/C first big off the bench type. Was matched up against a tough player in Horford, but is actually bigger than Horford and able to hold his own physically against him. But other than a nice +1 on a drawn up play coming out of a timeout, just agian looked offensively incompetent, struggling to post againt Horford's strenght, taking a nice interior dropoff from Reke and throwing it up so hard off the glass that it looked like he was mad at it -- nice, er touch there Jason. Topped off his half picking up back to back offensive fouls just flat running over Smith late in the second quarter. At no point looked like he knew what he wanted to do out there. Continued ineffective play led to us switching to the mega Daly/Cousins frontline again (and it was effective), and then using Landry downt he stretch.
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Jack Lemmon -- choosing somebody this old is always a bit shaky, and why I avoided a guy like Burt Lancaster -- I haven't seen every single older movie these guys have been in, and actors who came up inthe 30s and 40s tradition of highly mannered acting were always prone to throw in a stinker. But Lemmon notched an amzing EIGHT Oscar nominations between 1963 and 1982, which is pretty ridiculous, so I'm willing to take my chances on the ones I have not seen. And he was great as an older actor, whether playing things for laughs (My Fellow Americans, The Grumpy Old Men Franchise etc.) or the emotional power of serious roles like the ones in Glengary Glen Ross or the 12 Angry Men remake. BTW, I have heard that he may have actually turned in a bad performance in Branaugh's 257hr long Hamlet update in the 90s. Fortunately I have better things to do with that much time, like learn to speak Swahili or something, and so may never have my illusions shattered.

Cousins ( B+ ) -- this is a tough grade after three quarters of struggle that I have no trouble at all attributing to simply not being ready to play -- DeMarcus is as prone as any rookie we have seen in these parts since JWill of being sloppy mentally, and I think he got too fat and happy after that last game and simply did not come out in this one strapped up and ready to play. Just the basic immaturity probelm we have again. But oh boy once he finally did wake up to team with Reke late in this one our two kids treated the Hawks like the untalented wannabes they must appear to be to the truly elite teams/players. Started off the game confidently stroking in the jumper against whichever of the Collins boys didn't just get released by the Clippers -- who no doubt was inserted there specifically as a Cousins stopper as the Hawks wanted no part of little Al Horford on Cousins. Which is a very good thing -- like Reke last year, teams are beginning to make roster and strategy decisions specifically in response to the matchup nightmare posed by one of our rookies. That's a heck of a compliment. Nonetheless said rookie really didn't bring it in the first half, and struggled to finish in the early 3rd and at one point was 2-10 from the field, and the Hawks had to be thinking, aw, this ain't so hard. Finally showed some sparks of life after twice in the waning minutes of the 3rd he grabbed offensive rebounds off of missed FTs (whihc of course there are a lot with us) and followed them inside. And then the 4th rolled around, and Reke and Cousins were reinserted after an awful punchless lineup saw us down 20 with 7-8 minutes to go, and they both went nuts. It started with a huge throwdown on a Reke pass right at the midpoint of the quarter to make it an 18 point lead. Then another finish, then another, and along with Reke running a one man press up top and coming up with steal after steal, Cousins had scored that cut it to 18 again, to 15 wiht the +1 FT, to 10 as we began to believe. To 7 with a minute to go. Along the way he added in a tremendous pass to fumblethumbs Landry, who got fouled and finally scored on a Cousins pass (he had blown several earlier Cousins assists). And then as a capper with us desperately firing away trying to steal it in the final minute he knocked down a three to cut it to 5 with 12 seconds to go. In the end it wasn't enough, it started too late, it was too sloppy mentaly early, and critically he never dominated an undersized Hawks team on the glass the way he should have. But the late run showed again what an enormous talent he is, and just how many of our problems are just kids being sloppy mentally and not yet soldiering forth ready to play 82 games a season. Fix that, and you fix us. What we saw late was somthing that I could have already told you -- we, the 7 win team, actually had the two most talented players in this matchup, and that could be said four matchups we might have with a lot of teams in the league. They, and Cousins in particular, just has to learn how to bring it from the opening top, every night.
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Daniel Day Lewis -- such a great actor he almost exceeds this topic. I don't even like half the movies he's in, but the only reaons I would watch them is to watch him. And he doesn't take a role unless he's going to throw himself into it body and soul. There are no money grabs. No half assed efforts just to keep working. Its all in or nothing, and he's so good if he decided to play my father tommorow, I would probably believe him and buy him a clip on tie.

Udrih ( D- ) -- I'm starting to come around to Jerry's Beno is so consistent diatribes -- Beno was consistently good for the last few weeks of December. And now Beno has been consistently bad for the first week of January. In fact when you get down to it, Beno has been consistently bad for the entire decade! Tonight at least you could maybe add the sore knee from the other night to the same sucktatude we've seen from him in the new year. Just not even a threat offensively, and this was against Mike freakin' Bibby. And on the other end kept on running off Bibby at the 3pt line to come help double people, or I guess that was what he was doing. Whatever it was it was a bad idea because that's about the only shot Mike can still hit. Finally got one of his little pullups to fall late in the first quarter, and that was almost entirely it. Just running around in a haze, and got picked at the top of the key after he ran into a double team late in the half. A completely ineffective stint in the early 3rd followed, and I don't think he ever returned to the game after being replaced by Pooh wiht about 2 minutes to go in the quarter. We ran the 4ht with traditional 1 PG sets, with Jeter running the first half of the period, Reke the second, and Cisco and Casspi playing the SG. And it should be noted those standard big lineups racked up 39 points in the 4th -- almost as many as we scored in the 2nd and 3rd periods combined. Avoids the F here again just by not doing so many things terrible, so much as just doing nothing at all. But really, this is about as least productive as Beno Udrih is ever going to be for you. 3pts 2ast 2TO in 26 min?
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Richard Harris -- this spot was going to go to Tommy Lee Jones until I suddenly had a horrible Flashback to Batman Forever? Or whatever the one was where Jones tried to play Two Face in some grotesquely over the top maniacal fashion. Makes it hard to shoehorn him into an "always good" thread with such a notorious stinker siting there. So I am inserting Richard Harris instead. And its a little risky inserting a guy who spent the first half of his life drunk, or high, or both, as unless you have seen them all, you never know if one of his early performances could have come off like Lindsay Lohan after a bender. But Harris just had such a great gift for displaying his humanity, whether it be in his hellraiser roles as a youth, or the wounded old men he played in his final decade. -- you could always see the flawed human being behind whatever he played. Should be noted I suppose that he was supposed to have given an over the top perfromance in Bo Derek's Tarzan the Ape Man circa 1980 or so. Now I saw that movie when I was a teenager...but frankly all I remember about it is certain parts of Bo's anatomy. In fact I think that's all anybody remembers about it, so Harris's rep is safe.
 
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Evans ( A- ) -- back and forth and forth and back did I go with this grade between A and A-, with the difference being that Reke was already sitting on a decent game going into the 4th quarter, maybe B-ish or so with 14pts 3stls though 3, and you were thinking projecting out to maybe 19-20pts by the end before the 15pt 4th quarter explosion (he had 15 in the 4th, DeMarcus had 16 -- don't see that too often). It had been a pretty good first with a little shake buried behind the numbers featuring a couple of explosive takes just directly burning Johnson one on one, but also a few jumpers that were not even close, as in airball not even close. And already he was having a great night with his hands on defense, juzt reching out and stripping guys one on one. Unfortunately it was the terrible looking jumpers that carried forward for him for the rest of the half rather than the great takes, and it wasn't until the mid third when he woke up, started slamming inside, and got Johnson in foul trouble, that he stepped back forward and tried to lead a little mini push -- I say tried not because Reke was failing himself, but because at that point he cranked his game up but nobody was following. And then things got nutty, as he and Cousins just took the game over and took a 20pt mid 4th quarter lead for the Hawks and damn near won the game anyway. Its not just that we scored 39pts in the 4th quarter, its that 36 of those 39came in the final 8 minutes of the game after Reke and Cousins returned to tear off 31 of them combined. And Evans was doing it at both ends as he tore away ball after ball with those great hands -- got credited with 5 steals, but I counted 6, and all of his own creation, and 2 blks. And it triggered our break where Reek was abruptly finding hyped up finishers all over the place. He put the power in power drive as he just flat ran over Josh Smith at the 2 minute mark for the +1 finsih to get it to 9 at at the 2:00 mark, just flat took the ball from Johnson up top and raced the other way for a layup at the 50 second mark that made it 5, and after missing a three that I really wish he would not have taken t the 40 second mark, found Cousins and Ciso for threes in the final 30 seconds and added one of his own as we made a final flurry that saw us get as close as 4, and only the Hawks perfect FT shooting in those final minutes (10-10) kept it from getting really interesting. So this oculd hae gone either way for me, A or A-. If we pull it out in the end, this is an A. But we didn't, and what tipped it for me was that while Reke had 29, Johnson and Crawford had 29 and 31 respectively themselves to save the Hawks, and even though a lot of that was not against Reke, and we mixed in a lot of zone after half, one or the other of those guys were his covers for most of the night and despite his great hands work we just couldn't get them under control.
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Don Cheadle -- while I'm not sure he has the charisma of some of the other names on this list, Cheadle was absolutely not only on it, but maybe almost epitomized it. He is just never, ever bad and can add a dose of class to even the most unpolished turd of a flick.

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Dalembert ( B-) -- had more life in this one than we have seen from him in some time, and was playing well until some misguided attempts to play goto guy in the early 4th. Came in and got a little hook to go in the early going. Teamed effectvely with Cousisn in the late 3rd as he began to take advantage of the size advantage on the offensive glass, then got back to back dunks on feeds from Reke and Pooh. And then the 4th rolled around, we trotted out a punchless lineup wihtout a goto guy, and Daly threw up some awful junk as the offense kept breaking down. It was ugly, and despite a solid game, it was high time for him to call it a night by the time that DeMarcus returned.
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Morgan Freeman -- such a notorious example its almost trite, its nonetheless true. Freeman is an acting whore -- he will star in anything and everything, and he's been in all kinds of bad movies and silly roles. But this list isn't about having good taste in movies, its about adding something to whatever you are in, no matter how dumb. And Freeman's entire career has been one long example of adding calm wise sad eyed gravitas to everything from top flight Oscar winning flicks like Shawshank Redemption and Million Dollar Baby to silly trashy flicks where he's frequently the government man not to be trusted who may have a spot of decency still left inside.

Casspi ( B- ) -- a not particularly competent night skillwise that Omri tried to make up for with all out hustle and scrap. Had good energy right from the beginning of his time here, and was active ans slashing to the glass in the early second. On the other hand despite the hustle was missing three after three as well. We were mostly zone in the third, but Omri appeared to get burned by Joe Johnson repeatedly on backcuts with his rotations being slow. Airballed a contested three on one poorly run play to close the third. With Beno again struggling, saw himself getting a lot of minutes again as we again went to big lineups featuring only 1 PG with Cisco shifted to SG, and down the stretch when Reke and Cousins took over even Cisco was out and Omri was back at SG for one of the few times this year -- our fascination with 2 PG lineups has forgotten that both he and Donte were pretty effective for stretches at the 2 next to Reke last year. Got his only three in the early 4th as our only score in the first 4 minutes of the quarter before Reke/Cousins returned, and then after our big rush began really concentrated on hitting the glass with manic energy to give the stars the scrappy support they needed to make a run at things. But got beat by Johnson on a critical play at the 1:00 mark to push the lead back out and deny us a chance to pull this one off, and general concerns with the defense as well as one of his shaky shooting nights holds the grade down here a bit.
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Robert Duvall -- going bald somewhere back aroudn the Nixon administration never even slowed down this acting legend in what is putatively a looks driven business, because in truth its not a looks driven business, its a charisma driven business, and looks are only one part of that. He has been in some of the best movies of all time, he loves the smell of napalm in the morning, and if anything he's just gotten better with scene stealing age.

Landry ( D+ ) -- actually started this one with a bang in the early second as Pooh raced up the floor and fed him again and again, and he responded by knocking down back to back jumpers and then one inside as well. But amazigly and mysteriously that was it. It was all over within 4 minutes, and fore the remainder of the game, encompassing 16 minutes of playing time, he just gave us nothing. Just stopped doing what he was doing well on offense, started hesitating and faking and bricking. Provided more terrible rebounding on a night we got beat on the glass, and kept on fumbling great DeMarcus interior pases that should have been hoops. Got all the run in the 4th more because we had no options more than anything else, and after a terrible effort on his first shot of the quarter, adjusting and catapulting it off the front of the rim, and a few more fumbled passes settled back into inviisbility more than active sucktatude for the remainder as the fireworks went on around him. Still gets a tad more grade than our other sucksters tonight for the brief early burst, and I suppose for not actively interfering with our kids as they made the big run late.
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Sam Elliot -- a relic from the days when men were men and had rumbling gravel for a voice, he's a tough cowboy, he's a tough cop, sometimes he's a tough cowboy cop, and never never NEVER is he anything but magnetic on screen. WIth some people on this list I can at least imagine what it would take for them to give a bad performance, but I really can't with this guy. Maybe if they make a Stomp the Yard II (or III f they've already made II) and cast him as the lead krump dancer.
 
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Jeter ( B- ) -- I actually accidentally wrote over my notes for Pooh, but here is what I remember: came into the game in the early 2nd and immediately just gave us a burst of speed and energy, pushing the ball up the floor and finding Landry in particular for assisted hoop after assisted hoop. But the burst delivered, then overstayed his welcome as everything ground to a halt after the first few minutes, and he was just kind of out there as an undersized defensive liability for the rest of the quarter. After he returned in the third made another nice pass, and there was a brief moment when it looked like he and Reke were going to get us back into this one by the end fo the third rather than waiting until th mid 4th, but it fizzled. And then wrapped up his night running the team alone in the early 4th, and was unable to help a punchless crew find ways to score as we only scored a single hoop (Omri's three) during those minutes and the lead balooned to 20 on his watch.
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James Garner -- always entertaining, not only a guy who may never have turned in a bad performance, but one who has always had the versatility to add something as either a dramatic actor or a comedian.

Jackson ( INC ) -- in for he last minute of the first half, committed a foul giving up points, did nothing else
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Max Von Sydow -- how can you go wrong with a guy who's been both Jesus (The Greatest Story Ever Told) and the devil (Needful Things), who survived Flash Gordon (Ming the Merciless!) somehow classing up the ham to still be on this list , and who added a dash of solid gold in a small part in Conan the Barbarian. Two roles remain only that concern me -- he was apparently in Judge Dredd, which I have only seen part of (was a little better than I feared), and perhaps just as troublingly was in Money Grab 3...er..I mean Rush Hour 3. But I have confidence. This guy could have classed up Debbie Does Dallas.

Greene ( INC ) -- now this was an interesting outing, not because of anything I can really talk about productionwise -- after being ignored all game he came in and immediately dropped a nice no look dropoff pass on the break to Reke, and then missed two threes in the final two minutes, the first one one we needed, the second just a desperation heave near the buzzer -- but rather because of what happened upon his arrival. For all that Reke & Cousins made all the plays down the stretch as we made our wild charge, it was not until Donte entered the game that we actually made a comeback. Reke and Cousins had already been in there together for 3 minutes by the time Donte arrived with 4:56 left int eh game, and the lead was still 20. Coach doubtless had him in there just thnking it was garbaetime. And yet in the next 4:56 we made up 14 of those 20 points, and repeatedly got the lead down to 4 and 5 in the last minute. And it all started when Donte entered, and Casspi shifted over to SG. This should be noted too: on the season Donte has the second highest +/- on the team amongst our regulars. We are normally better when he is on the floor, and tonight everythign started when he checked in, coincidence or no.
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Robert Downey Jr. -- you know, I damn near had Liam Neeson's name typed in here, but I just could not avoid the stench of Star Wars Ep I. And I am also one of the few human beings alive who still remembbers his first role in Krull (not that he was so much bad as just caught in an incredible piece of cheese -- surprised he stuck with acting after that). Nor did he do himself any favors getting involved in the new Clash of the titans travesty, although again he was not so mcuh bad himself as caught havign to say silly things. Anyway, I was thinking of going there, but am not. I also had James Earl Jones in mind, but have not seen too many of his earlier things to be sure. And so I come back to Robert Downey Jr., and how can I abandon this guy now, in his, and my, moment of triumph? He's wild enough that he may very well have screwed up some role sometime, but this is a guy that I was touting for years and years while everybody else had written him off as a male Lindsay Lohan, lost in addiction. But damn, whenever he did pop his head up from the rehab center, every single thing he did was fun and jsut oozing with charisma. And now of course finally after all those years in the wilderness he's hit his golden age as an A-lister. He'll always be vulnerable to overhamming it. But he'll also always be fun as hell to watch. So he nabs my final spot here.
 
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That movie had a lot of problems, but I wouldn't say Rickman was one of them. It was a bit part anyway.

I'm curious to see the grades on this one. I don't think anyone deserved an A until that incredible end-game run which has to be balanced against the other 43 or so minutes of mostly uninspired play. Maybe Casspi who was pretty consistently good in this one, just couldn't hit the threes. But Evans and Cousins both get an A+ if we throw out the majority of the game and just look at the last 5 minutes.
 
I'm curious to see the grades on this one. I don't think anyone deserved an A until that incredible end-game run which has to be balanced against the other 43 or so minutes of mostly uninspired play. Maybe Casspi who was pretty consistently good in this one, just couldn't hit the threes. But Evans and Cousins both get an A+ if we throw out the majority of the game and just look at the last 5 minutes.
The first quarter wasn't that bad...
 
The first quarter wasn't that bad...

Yeah, I guess that's true. Halfway through the second quarter even it was still a close game despite all the threes they were making. I don't think they played particularly bad for the majority of the game, just uninspired. Not closing out well enough on shooters, not getting back on fast breaks, not getting the ball into the post often enough against a soft interior D. They were playing good enough to keep it competitive but not good enough to win. Until the last 5 minutes.
 
Good and competitive game other than a few minutes in the 2nd quarter there where it seemed like The Hakws went up by 15 in a matter of a few minutes. The Kings were playing catch up after that and just came up short. Overall a game that was more encouraging than discouraging.
 
That movie had a lot of problems, but I wouldn't say Rickman was one of them. It was a bit part anyway.

I'm curious to see the grades on this one. I don't think anyone deserved an A until that incredible end-game run which has to be balanced against the other 43 or so minutes of mostly uninspired play. Maybe Casspi who was pretty consistently good in this one, just couldn't hit the threes. But Evans and Cousins both get an A+ if we throw out the majority of the game and just look at the last 5 minutes.

I think that is just the point. They need to play that way for the entire 3rd and 4th quarters for this team to win. There is just not enough talent to get the job done unless those two guys have great games. ANd not just the last 5 minutes of games either.
 
LOL. America...

Although he did his best to try to ruin Saving Private Ryan with a poor performance, and with a combination of a couple other factors succeeded in his effort.

 
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For me it was Steve McQueen. Cool Hand Luke was one badazz movie.

I hate to break it to you, but Steve McQueen was not in Cool Hand Luke. That was Paul Newman. Steve McQueen was in The Great Escape, among other things.

But you're right, Cool Hand Luke was a great film.
 
i wasnt even disappointed at the loss lol. I was too busy enjoying watching dmc and reke completely dominate in the 4th and envisioning a couple of years from now. also pooh was great today, and i dont get why westphaul didnt use him that much.
 
I hate to break it to you, but Steve McQueen was not in Cool Hand Luke. That was Paul Newman. Steve McQueen was in The Great Escape, among other things.

But you're right, Cool Hand Luke was a great film.


My bad Capt Factorial! I always get those two mixed up for some reason. It is a great film. I remember Steve McQueen in the Great Escape. He was the one on the motorcycle trying to escape. Another Awesome movie. HEY! I think that one was actually in COLOR! OMG I'm getting old !
 
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Forest Whitaker and Mads Mikkelsen (for as long as you ignore all the american films he's been part of, those suck).
 
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