Grades v. Hawks 02/18

28 Games to Go -- Predict the Kings Final Win Total (39 is max)

  • 11-14

    Votes: 8 10.8%
  • 15-18

    Votes: 40 54.1%
  • 19-22

    Votes: 16 21.6%
  • 22-25

    Votes: 4 5.4%
  • 26-29

    Votes: 2 2.7%
  • 30-33

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 34-37

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 38-Hahaha you are kidding me right?

    Votes: 4 5.4%

  • Total voters
    74
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
11-44 baby! But if you saw this one, it was a much "better" loss. We were competitive. We just suck.

I am thinking I may try to exert myself for these final 29 games and do a theme a night. Pretty Girls will be saved for the blowouts of course, but I might be able to come up with 29 groupings (ok, maybe 20 groupings and 9 sets of pretty girls) to keep the loss parade fresh. First off here, I am going to go with the 4th set of Top 10 Kings players -- Top 10 Shooting Guards in Sacramento Kings History

Cisco ( B ) -- started this game off in complete nothing fashion as he was apparently overwhelmed by the Hawks' numerous bigger and more ahtletic wings at SF. Got one quick hitting jumper on the semi break, that was it, and was not evne a participant in our big run at the end of the second quarter. And then, just because he is Cisco (and one of our players) confusingly came out in the third and completely turned it around, knifing into the Hawks defense at will (apparently they do not believe in stopping penetration no matter who drives the ball) as he carried our offense in the quarter. Did a good job defensively on a sluggish Joe Johnson during that stretch as well. Stepped forward in the final minutes trying to play the hero with a two and then a three, but as usual got overexcited and quick shot up a brick immediately therafter. Once Spencer fouled out, was once again our "PF" (something that will hopefully stop once Nocioni hits town) down the stretch, and got worked on the glass on several of those possessions while Jason jumped around frantically trying to battle both the Hawks bigs at once. Jason might be able to sue Natt for criminal lack of support inside.
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#1 Mitch Richmond
Career Stats
With Kings: 91-98
Best Year With The Kings: 96-97 25.9pts 3.9reb 4.2ast 1.5stl 0.3blk
There could only be one choice for this spot obviously. The Rock WAS Sacramento Kings basketball in the 1990s. Never quite a true superstar in the era of MJ and Drexler, he was that "best of the rest" star level guy who was in all ways, truly a rock. He did it all, every night, year after year after year for a hopeless franchise, and unlike the next two men on this list played both sides of the ball with equal enthusiasm.


Thompson ( C- ) -- had the size advanatge, but seemed to struggle against the Hawks mobile frontline. And frankly, Jason needs to pull his head out now and quit these recent struggles, because his GM just imported 4 more PFs (to give us EIGHT!! -- JT, Nocioni, KT, Sheldon, Gooden, Moore, Simmons, Diogu) to steal his minutes. Got several shots knocked away inside per usual in the third and then foul trouble took over again, and just nothing. Came back in late with Spencer finally fouling out with 3 minutes to go after having played virtually the whole game, and came up with a late block and an active rebound or two as the only big out there in the smallball lineup to elevate this one slightly. Gave him another half tick in what may have been too much charity, because Josh Smith was jsut as bad, and may have been bothered by Jason's mobility asnd size. Maybe. Because for most of the night it looked like Josh had just smoked a bowl with Brad on his way outta town until he shook off the effects to be a factor down the stretch. In any case, half tick there, half tiock there, but still a poor game, and as I mentioned, competition is about to flood the roster.
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#2 Kevin Martin
Career Stats
With Kings: 04-09
Best Year With The Kings: 07-08 23.7pts 4.5reb 2.1ast 1.0stl 0.1blk 3.5flops
Now this choice is likely more controversial than the undoubted king of the heap at #1, because the beloved guy at #3 had a compeltely opposite game, and was a winner because of it. But with apologies to Doug, he was a great great role player. And while Kevin is not truly great, only plays one side of the ball, doesn't make teammates better etc. etc., he is still a very good scorer in the NBA and figures to one day have a shot at making some All Star teams if we ever start winning again.


Hawes ( B ) -- looked good on offense early agains the undersized Hawks, but Hroford was all over the glass against him. But we kept on playing him -- oh did we keep on playing him (he played 43 minutes tonight, and had rested only 2 minutes by the time he fouled out with 3 minutes to go). And his play was steady throughout -- the boardwork picked up as he used his height advantage in there, and he eventually tried a career high (although still nabbing 4 fewer than his opponent). He dropped in one or two more nice post moves, that left you wondering why there were not more -- seemed he could just go over the top when he felt like it. Got a piece of a fewq shots inside, but ]missed his jumpers and had trouble containing Horford the other way, and got careless with the ball several times. This was not truly a great game. But it was a steady one throughout as our one consistent interior guy, and in general 10pts 14 rebs, even with 4 TOs and 6 fouls is the sort of nice steady interior play we need out of Spencer now that Brad is gone and he is the man in there.
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#3 Doug Christie
Career Stats
With Kings: 00-04
Best Year With The Kings: 01-02 12.0pts 4.6reb 4.2ast 2.0stl 0.3blk
And if Kevin is #2, there was no doubt who was going to be #3. Kevin's polar opposite, it was ironic when Kevin was drafted that people wanted to compare the two because they were both 6'7" and scrawny. But where Kevin is all offense, Doug was all defense and heart. He truly did give his all for this franchise through its best years, and truly did love it here, and was loved in return. His unselfishness and team oriented play would be a good model for any number of current Kings who can't figure out why they keep losing despite pretty stats and hefty contracts.


Martin ( A- ) -- very active response to the trades as maybe Kevin was coming out and reattempting to put his stamp on the reworked team after the trades. Either that or the Hawks coach is just an idiot who had no idea how to guard him. More on that later. In any case Kevin scored easily and often in the first half, getting to the line and taking advantage of the lack of a Hawks backcourt stopper. Led a huge 19-2 rush to close the frirst half. Well...actually Mike Woodson led it by being an idiot of a coach, but Kevin certainly took advanatge and attacked the Hawks at will as they apparently experimented with zones they do not know how to play, kept on having 6'11" Solomon Jones trying to check Kevin, and generally collapsed into a disorganized rabble. Was breaking down the defense with penetration and even passing sometimes on a night when he had 32 for himself, but in a welcome change created a number of shots for his teammates. Was also on the glass in a way you rarely see out of him -- his boardwork this season has been amongst the worst of any starting OG in the league, but tonight he grabbed 11 (funny thing too because early in the game it looked like more of the same as he was caught blatantly flatfooted on a rebound as Mo Evans swooped around him for the ofensive board, but he became very active thereafter). Even was more active than usual on defense, and other than th usual invisibility cloaks handed out to our opponents around the perimeter, battled pretty well in the post against the Hawks variousfreaky athletic swing players. Unfortunately most of the big push and numbers came in the first half. Had 24 by halftime, only 8 therafter. Hit a coupe of jumpers in the third and early 4th, but the dynacism was gone, and he started clanking them as the 4th went along. Was out for a few minutes, and contributed nothing after returning for the stretch. With us down 2 and 36 seconds to go we called a play for him, but he either got the shot blocked along the baseline, or lost control of it looking for the whistle, and even though he got it back, that was that. Did grab a few late boards, but had zero points in the final 8-9 minutes of this tight game, and there was no John around to blame for it. So big game played mostly the "right way" (i.e. actual contributions across the board, not just numbers), and a huge spurt at the end of the first half. But ultimately had to go with the minus for the late fade and disappearance with the game on the line.
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#4 Danny Ainge
Career Stats
With Kings: 89-90
Best Year With The Kings: 89-90 17.9pts 4.3reb 6.9ast 1.5stl 0.2blk
And once I called Eddie Johnson a SF, and decided that Reggie was a PG (those early losing teams were full of soft 6'7" shooters just like our crew today), it opened things up for Danny Ainge. Yes, Danny Ainge of the Celtics dynasty was a King for a year (and a half). Must have been whiplash for the poor guy when he arrived from 3 titles in Beantown, and Jerry Reynolds likes to relate the funny story (Reynolds was coach at the time) of Ainge coming up to him and telling him in regards to our losing ways at the time "I think I know what your problem is -- I'm your best player". And he may have been -- the 4th or 5th best guy in Boston, a Doug type roleplayer (without the defense), he showed up in Sacto and was given the role of star. He did pretty well with it for a year, but I'm sure was just as relieved to get traded up to Portland to resume the winning ways as roleplayer rather than losing as a star.
 
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Udrih ( B+ ) -- solid first half looking active and comfortable again. Bibby was going well back the other way, but it was largely a well played wash with both guys attacking. With the Hawks compeltely disorganized controlled action with his passing in the final minutes of the first half during our big run. Even blocked one of Mike's threes ala the late not very lamented Quincy Douby. Was defintiely trying harder on defense, but Bibby lit him up anyway (Bibby was showing noticeably more active defense than last time we saw him too). Picked up the offensive slack for Kevin after half, and answered a late Bibby three with one of his own after the Hawks all decided to have a team meeting under the basket while he stood outside wide open. Then of course since niether he, nor we, can stand prosperity, failed again in the final seconds, doing the old classic Beno dribble into traffic for the turnover (courtesy of a Bibby poke away) and assuring that this would be a B+ and not anything higher.
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#5 Bonzi Wells
Career Stats
With Kings: 05-06
Best Year With The Kings: 05-06 13.6pts 7.7reb 2.8ast 1.8stl 0.5blk
Its funny how with Mitch, Kevin and Doug as long term starters for most of the last two decades that almost everybody else on the list therefore is a 1 year wonder. But Bonzi certianly was that. The football player of SGs, he was tougher than any of our bigs, and briefly combined with Ron to give us a scary Bump n Thump tandem at SG and SF before his ego trashed his free agency. Will long be remembered for going supernova on the Spurs in the playoffs and almost singlehandedly knocking them out with a ridiculous superstar series in which our shooting guard averaged 23.2pts and 12rebs while destroying one of the league's best defenders in Bruce Bowen.


BJax ( B- ) -- spalshed in two threes as part of our big 2nd quarter run, then sat for a long spell as Beno was having a rare up game. Returned and actually ended up spending the stretch run at OG next to Beno in the smallball lineup, and had to check Joe Johnson. Johnson though looked horrid most of the game, and Bobby was able to hold him off with his strength until a critical late possession where Johnson took him down in the post and used his extra 8 inches. Bobby also missed the game tying three pointer in the final secods, sealing our fate (and in fact other than the two early threes missed nearly everything).
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#6 Mike Woodson
Career Stats
With Kings: 85-86
Best Year With The Kings: 85-86 15.6pts 2.8reb 2.4ast 1.1stl 0.4blk
I hesitated on putting this blast from the very distant past in this position because frankly I think he is one of the most overrated Kings ever. Well, overrated by Kings insiders and excuse makers at least. He was only there for us the first year, but for years afterward all you would hear about was how trading him had set the franchise back so far. What? Mike Woodson was a good midrange jumpshooter, he did not pass, he did not rebound, and he did not particularly defend. He was like Kevin Martin without the threes, FTs or all around scoring ability. And still he gets this spot in the one year wonders portion of this list because he was solid and dependable, and part of that entire soft little team of jump shooters who first arrived in town.


Greene ( INC ) -- got the early call with the roster turnover, and looked smooth and in rhythm stroking in two jumpers in the late first. But then mysteriously cooled and it got fugly. Just showed no touch again clanking things hard.
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#7 Cutino Mobley
Career Stats
With Kings: 05
Best Year With The Kings: 04-05 17.8pts 3.9reb 3.4ast 1.2stl 0.5blk
I generally like to avoid giving stats for only half seasons, but since that was all we had with Cat, there they were. On talent, probably above Woodson actually, but as kind of a bad fit on half a year's work, I had to slide him down. Talented player who could bomb from outside and had a surprising post game for such a little guard, and could be a tough defender when he chose to be (notorious for even slowing Kobe at one time). Strange slick character though and spent his half season routinely slacking off and then doing the Salmons I am the hero thing in the final 6 minutes. Never seemed to mesh well with his teammates, and questions about his effort and selfishness followed him around his career.


Moore ( INC ) -- not much of anything in his 2nd quarter stint matched up against the equally mobile Hawks frontline adn was replaed by Sheldon for the remainder of the game.
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#8 Derek Smith
Career Stats
With Kings: 86-89
Best Year With The Kings: 86-87 16.6pts 3.5reb 3.9ast 0.9stl 0.4blk
(Shedding some sucktard from Chicago like a cheap suit in the pic above) The other end of the Woodson deal, Smith was such a disappointment as a King having him on this list almost seems unjustified...until you see the options down at #10. A young explosive post up guard for the Clippers in the early 80s, he suffered some sort of major knee injury back during an era when those were normally career enders, and we gambled on him in the trade. Like Ralph Sampson after him, it proved to be a mistake. He gave us one pretty good year in partial recovery, and then 2 more years of constant injury struggles against the knees. Researching this pick, I also discovered that Derek passed away way back in 1996 at the ripe old age of 35. An apparent heart attack while out on a cruise ship just a few years after retiring. That sucks, and leads into the #9 guy on this list.
 
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Williams ( C ) -- in his adios game played the stubby ying to Mikki's scrawny yang in the second quarter, taking over for Mikki and also not doing much. Did have one nice post move inside, but it was against Mo Evans -- must have felt like he was in college again. In the late thrid had problems hanging onto things inside, which is nothing new, and is now Minnesota's problem. Best of luck Shelden.
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#9 Ricky Berry
Career Stats
With Kings: 88-89
Best Year With The Kings: 88-89 11.0pts 3.1reb 1.3ast 0.6stl 0.3blk
There was only one year of stats to choose from here because there was only one year to the career. The tragic story of Ricky Berry was an early part of the struggle in Sacramento. I have mentioend before that he was kind of a young Peja or Kevin Martin figure, nice guy, probably not a major star, but a good looking young guard that the team was marketing as the future, and then he got in a fight with his girlfriend over the summer, pulled out a gun, and did the big stupid on himself. There are others battling for #10 that can pretty much match his actual production in his only year with us, but there was potential for much more in his case that we never got to see.

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#10 Take Your Pick
Career Stats
With Kings: Various
Best Year With The Kings: Various
And we reach #10 (after all the trade nuttiness), and I thought it easier to list all the possibilities here, because I could go for any number of them:

Tariq Abdul Wahad (2 years) Best: 9.3pts 3.8reb 1.0ast
Dennis Hopson (1 year) Best: 10.7pts 3.0reb 1.5ast
Saruas Marciulionis (1 year) Best: 10.8pts 1.5reb 2.2ast
Travis Mays (1 year) Best: 14.3pts 2.8reb 4.0ast
Nick Anderson (2 years) Best: 10.8pts 4.7reb 1.7ast
Mike McGee (1 year) Best: 14.2pts 3.0reb 1.6ast
Mahmoud Abdul Rauf (2 years) Best: 13.7pts 1.6reb 2.5ast
Vernon Maxwell (1 year) Best: 10.7pts 1.8reb 1.7ast
Jonn Barry (3 years) Best: 8.0pts 2.6reb 2.4ast
Jim Jackson (1 year) Best: 7.7pts 4.2reb 1.9ast

I think in the end I would probably go for Jim Jackson, simply because he was maybe the most dangerous of them at that point of his career. A former 25ppg scorer who still had a lot of game left, played both sides of the ball, and jsut had his numebrs and minutes limited as did everyone on that squad by our amazing depth and talent that year. But it really is a pickem. Marciulionis was great when younger, by the time he reached us he was a good backup, but nothing more. Hopson was also a good backup. Abdul Wahad a failed lottery pick. People forget about Mike McGee, but he gave us a solid season back in the day. Not so solid its not forgettable though. Abdul Rauf was just a mess, nad his nuttiness ruined his contributions, Jon Barry was more beloved than talented, Mad Max was a wildcard, Nick Anderson a disappointment, and Travis Mays put up the best numbers, but only because we force fed him minutes in our previous darkest season in the hopes he would blossom into a star. He did not, instead shooting .406 for the season and actively fighting the attempts to make him it a PG. So going with JJ -- rock solid veteran who made a major contribution to our best ever team.
 
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I didn't get to see the game but I liked what Cisco did in starting! And Hawes -- 14 boards?!?! Hopefully this is a sign of things to come!!
 
I was only able to catch a bit of the first half, but can someone try to explain to me why Greene only played 6 minutes? He looked to play pretty good in the little time he had and this seemed like a perfect opportunity to let him prove himself.
 
One of the better overall games I've seen this season. Key here is "overall" doing well in 3 of 4 quarters; poor third again. But the hustle level was great. Both Hawes and JT fouled out with 2 of the fouls for each being of the "silly" type, dumm almost. But hey, they are very young and inexperienced so far. And Williams is playing his best ball of the year with more minutes.

Greene has a way to go but did show SOME defense tonight. That will get hi more minutes. But then some of his shots looked like they were made with his eyes closed and others were right one. Inconsistent is normal for high upside freshman jumping to NBA.

Beno did well too and BJax is a mad man, gotta love that guy. Good game to watch.
 
I was only able to catch a bit of the first half, but can someone try to explain to me why Greene only played 6 minutes? He looked to play pretty good in the little time he had and this seemed like a perfect opportunity to let him prove himself.

I want to see Green play more, but my guess is that he touched teh ball 4 times and shot it four times and contributed in no other catergories.
 
This may have gotten lost in the shuffle what with all the stuff going on today. Nice job on the write-ups, Brickie...
 
I know we've had some pretty wretched SG's, but if half a season is good enough to get you on the list... :eek:
Half a season, PLUS a monster playoff series!

This is really bad. We haven't had ten worthy-of-mention shooting guards on this team in 25 years. Wow. I mean, Mike Woodson? Are you kidding me? Danny Ainge?!? You have GOT to be kidding me!!!
 
Half a season, PLUS a monster playoff series!

This is really bad. We haven't had ten worthy-of-mention shooting guards on this team in 25 years. Wow. I mean, Mike Woodson? Are you kidding me? Danny Ainge?!? You have GOT to be kidding me!!!


Well, that might be a little deceptive, just in that when you have a great guy for a long time, it severely stunts your list. The Lakers Top 20 SGs in the last 25 years would kind of tail off too. Kobe, Scott, Eddie Jones having so thoroughly dominated the position that #10 might end up being Tony Campbell or something.
 
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