[Grades] Grades v. Grizzlies 01/18/2013

Who was the biggest fail?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Evans

    Votes: 13 48.1%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Robinson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Brooks

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Fredette

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Well, they took us out behind the woodshed. Great defensive teams can be fun to watch...unless you are playing them. Cousins was the ultimate one man gang, the only guy on the entire team who looked like his talent allowed him to be himself in the face of that defense. Not nearly enough though, and any chance it would be was squirreled away by the genius coach who shortened the rotations all the way down to only 13 guys tonight, and didn't play the only guy on the team doing jack at all in the final 5 minutes with the Grizz lead hovering at a remotely doable 10-12.

16 is only borderline girls territory, but it was certainly ugly and frustrating enough to be 30, and tommorow its a back to back and I need something quick.

Grading Consortium is still
Bricklayer
Bajaden
Capt. Factorial

Boxscore


Stats: 31min 6pts (3-6, 0-1, 0-0) 4reb 2ast 2stl 3blk 2TO
Salmons ( D+ ) -- I tried hard to talk myself into a C -, but in good concience, I just can't. He didn't score a point in the first half. He played good defense on Gay, who did score a couple of baskets, but they were well contested. He also turned the ball over a couple of times. He blocked a shot, but all in all, it was a very unproductive half. He started off the second half right where he left off the first, by missing a 3 pt shot. Finally, at the 4:55 mark of the 3rd, he scored a basket. He followed that with a pullup on the right side of the key for two points. He finished by making a tough drive to the basket through traffic for a layup. So he gave us zero in the first, and helped the team stay close for a while in the 2nd half. And thats about it. John had a lot of company, but that doesn't help his grade. --Baja

Stats: 21min 3pts (1-6, 0-0, 1-2) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thompson ( D ) -- his start was more invisible than terrible, but still the struggle continues. Just a night and day snap where his whole game abruptly got out of rhtyhm, and if up until two weeks ago he was always in the right place at the right time, suddenly he has mastered the art of always being in the wrong place. Shot over by Speights a few times early, threw up a wild post attempt, and still no glasswork, which is just an ongoing theme with him right now --its been 7 games since our starting PF grabbed more than 4 rebounds. Ponder that for a moment. Did come up with a real good hustle board late in the half eventually leading to a score, but then missed the wide open jumper we needed as part of the theme of the night -- his attempts were rarely as easy as they looked like they were going to be, and even when they were, he missed them.--Brick

Stats: 38min 22pts (9-19, 0-0, 4-6) 12reb 1ast 2stl 1blk 3TO
Cousins ( B+ ) -- somebody in this thread suggested Cousins should get a lone point of light bonus for this one, and that's exactly what I did with this grade He might literally have been the only reason we scored more than 50 so distressingly awful was just about everyone else, but after some early wobbles looking awkward going at Gasol, he began to find ways to be productive, and by the second half he was the one and only King who was in control of his matchup and game. Repeatedly showed those great hands on the boards, and swiped away a great steal in the final minute of the half to start a break (that IT managed to blow with a selfish play). Began the third with a flurry of scores again with a spinning move in the open court, a long jumper and a tip follow on a missed Chuck FT, and deserves a lot of credit for basically being a one man gang out there as we made our only real push. Picked up his 5th foulon a charge call with 6 minutes to go in the game, and Smart took advantage of the opportunity to throw the match. Cousins scores 22pts on a night when nobody else got more than 9 (and even that nine was accomplished in garbagetime). He grabbed 12 rebounds on a night when nobody else other than Reke (also benched) grabbed more than 4. He absolutely carried us to any remote chance we could possibly have in this one. So of course he never returned as we went down with scarcely a wimper. We may need a new phrase for these events. Traditionally you could be outsmarted. We however keep on just being Smarted. --Brick

Stats: 28min 8pts (3-10, 0-0, 2-2) 7reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 4TO
Evans ( D ) -- basically got his butt kicked tonight by an inspired Tony Allen (who was extremely impressive) and a swarming Memphis defense. Got smothered early, and driven out of rhythm. Threw a terrible turnover with a pass 5 feet over his target's head, and a random pullup airballed jumper to help us set our feeble offensive tone. First score was off the ball when Cousins found him. Returned and forced a tough tough high rainbow jumper over an outstretched Allen that fell. Tried to force a drive just to get a hoop before the Grizz got the halfcourt defense set, but their defense was everywhere and Allen was constantly on his hip even when he got half a step. In the early third jumped in the air to hit Cousins on a pick and roll -- one of the plays that has worked very well for us for weeks -- but Memphis smothered it again and picked off the pass. At least found a way to help a little as he started wading back on the defensive glass as the only King to give Big Cuz any support back there. Thought he was just starting to play a little more smootly, to figure out what he could and could not do against the Grizz, in the late third as we showed a faint pulse, but was replaced for the 4th and never returned. Will say this -- of all of our various fails tonight I think Reke had the biggest excuse. Memphis sicced Tony Allen on him all night long, and Allen was every bit the All Defense Team Member this time out. Not sure Reke had one good look or one open lane all night long. --Brick

Stats: 29min 9pts (4-12, 0-2, 1-2) 0reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( D ) -- On a night when the Kings' guards were downright terrible, Isaiah Thomas had two things going for him. For one, he made a few nice passes. He ended up with 5 assists, including a few nice ones in transition and a beautiful wrap-around to JJ on a drive. Even so, he was getting into a habit early in the first quarter of forcing the ball upcourt to Salmons as if John was going to go one-on-four, and a couple of times it was nearly picked off. The second thing IT had going for him was his drive. In addition to the wraparound to JJ, Thomas was able to get to the rack and convert four times and his game (and the Kings' offense) looked better on his drives than at any other time. But IT's jumper was way off tonight, and when he passed the ball around the perimeter the offense simply stalled out. On the defensive end, he couldn't stay in front of anybody. Conley? Kept blowing by him. Bayless? Kept blowing by him. Allen? Left him open for an uncontested jumper literally 10 seconds after coming off the bench. The Grizz scored 10 points on 11 shots against IT, but that's only because Conley kept missing layups and open shots. Passes after guys broke free from IT resulted in who knows how many more points. And the saddest thing of all? Thomas was by far the best player I had the privilege of grading tonight. --Capt.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 20min 2pts (1-6, 0-2, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Thornton ( F ) -- Couldn't stay in front of Ellington. Couldn't stay in front of Bayless. Couldn't stay in front of Conley. Couldn't hit a shot, except for the hardest one he attempted. Congratulations, Kings fans, Marcus Thornton just gave you 20 minutes of the least-inspired basketball he has ever played in his life. Just when I thought things were going to get truly ugly - when he got switched off onto Gasol but didn't bother, you know, going all the way over to guard him, Thornton jumped up and picked off the lazy entry pass. That was pretty much the only good thing he did tonight, playing lazy enough D to sucker the opponents into one turnover. Woot. --Capt.

Stats: 14min 2pts (1-5, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Robinson ( D+ ) -- Robinson played with a lot of energy, and played very good defense in his minutes. However, he also made a few mistakes that nulified the good things he was doing. He drove to the basket and threw up a wild crazy shot that had no chance of going in. He did make a nice pass to Hayes in traffic for a score and one. That was about it in the first half. He didn't get back into the game until around the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter, and once again played with energy, tipping balls and playing defense. He closed out his night with a beautiful drive and spin move for a layup. He didn't get a lot of minutes, didn't do enough with the minutes he got to warrant more than a D+ --Baja

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Garcia ( INC ) -- in and immediately almost turned it over on a sideline trap. Accomplished nothing in his minutes...and that marked him as one of our BETTER players. Saavily secured an INC here not so much for his few minutes, but by just not doing anything at all that you could hang a grade on. How many notes are you going to have about a player who plays 7 min and gives you a 0-1-0-0-0-0 statline? Its like reading binary code. Lost some of his minutes to JJ, who as predicted at least turned out to be a good defensive match for Gay. --Brick

Stats: 7min 2pts (1-2, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Brooks ( F ) -- I'm not remotely going to give Brooks the satisfaction of an incomplete. Sure, he only played 7 minutes, but that's because he was terrible. For as bad as the offense stalled most of the game , with one-on-one and no movement, Brooks sure didn't make it any better as he consistently drove into traffic at 100 mph and completely out of control. After showing us "the other way to run a crappy offense", Brooks jacked up a ridiculous three, missed, and got yanked for good. The only nice thing I can say about him is that nobody made him look silly on defense. Of course, the reason for that is that, inexplicably, nobody tried. It's not that he played well defensively, it's just that he got three and a half minutes of paid vacation on the defensive end of the court tonight. --Capt.

Stats: 8min 5pts (2-5, 0-0, 1-3) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C- ) -- not a strong outing, but on this night this grade serves as the tiniest point of light amongst an unending wall of gloom. Came in and was immediately short. Arthur shot right over him on a jumper, and he was too flat to the floor to finish anything inside. But finally got a little hook to break a 5 mintue scoreless streak for us, and then next time down got an offensive board and another finish off a TRob pass. Returned in the mid third for the ineffective JT (I am writing that phrase far too often of late), forced a 1 on 1 shot, but got the foul. Then missed both FTs. Lukcily Big Cuz snatched the missed FT and put it back so we got the two points anyway. Then for some reason after only a couple of minutes suddenly Keith "I'm shortening the rotation" Smart abruptly pulls the plug on Chcuk and randomly inserts our 13th man (Outlaw) into the game at "PF" of course. And hey, when you can't score Chuck is not normally the guy for the job. But Travis Outlaw sucks eggs, and comparatively Chuck put up a posiitvely prolific statline. Anyway, Travis would go on to hit two threes in the 4th so Smart will feel compelled to play him for the next week of course, but it was still a strange twitchy "you go in, no...you go in!" substitution. --Brick
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Stats: 10min 2pts (1-3, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Johnson ( ) -- placeholder... --Baja

Stats: 12min 0pts (0-4, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Fredette ( F ) -- You know, we're only 18 days into the new year. I'm not really nostalgic for 2012 yet. But Jimmer? Well, apparently Jimmer was missing the best year of his life, as he happily reverted to NBA2K12's favorite lost puppy tonight. His recent shooting stroke? Gone, and he had some wide open looks. His recent defensive improvement? Can you say "matador"? I knew you could. And I'd love to point out how bad his ball handling was, but for some reason the team decided that not only should he not bring the ball up the court, but after missing his first two shots in relatively short order, he didn't even touch the ball for about 6-7 possessions. Of course, that meant that as soon as he did touch it, he made a desperate attempt to get up any kind of shot and turned it over as a result. He threw the ball away on the break. And every single possession the Grizzlies set easy screens on him and he got peeled right off of his man every time. Most of the year Jimmer's play has been "one step forward", but tonight it was "two steps back", and in the NBA, that's a travel. --Capt.

Stats: 16min 8pts (3-6, 2-3, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( B ) -- came in randomly for a moderately effective Hayes in the late third, and immediately forced up a stupid 20 foot heavily contested jumper, and you were thinking of great, not only have we been Smarted, now we're being Outlawed as well. But that's not the way it worked out. Came up with a big atheltic follow slam on a Reke miss near the end of the 3rd, and hit two out of nowhere timely threes int he 4th, both of them capping runs by us and getting the lead down to 8 and 10pts respectively. That was it for the offense -- a few sad little attempts to iso him (he's not that guy) aside, but I thought he also did a decent job using his length to try to challenge shots inside on defense as well. --Brick
 
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Glenn

Hall of Famer
#5
I know brick requires a perfect game from DFC to give him an A. That's fair as DFC is on a different level. I wonder though when he has a great game and no one else on the team is playing decently, if he shouldn't be given a break in the other direction.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#6
Given there's three of you doing the grading, how about someone take on grading Smart? I'd be interested to see if one of you see the mistakes I see over the course of the game.

I guess we couldn't ask for much more of a gift than playing Char tomorrow. But who knows how that goes. Could see us winning by 20, or losing by 10 and everyone hanging their heads throughout.
 
#7
I wonder how many times Smart has actually kept his word after saying something in an interview. Starting lineup decided by a certain date ... went back against his word. Says he'll give Jimmer more minutes ... goes back on his word. Says he has to decide between Jimmer and IT (meaning one doesn't get to play), goes back on his word. Says he'll tighten rotations ... yea you get my point. When has this fool ever stuck to something his big mouth has said?
 
#9
9 assists on the game? Seriously, this again?

I am not all that worked up about the Grizz defense. I mean, it is good, but we look really easy to defend out there. Our movement stinks.
 
#10
every player on the active roster got playing time tonight. Memphis used 8 guys, we will never get better if there isn't set rotations and roles.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#11
I wonder how many times Smart has actually kept his word after saying something in an interview. Starting lineup decided by a certain date ... went back against his word. Says he'll give Jimmer more minutes ... goes back on his word. Says he has to decide between Jimmer and IT (meaning one doesn't get to play), goes back on his word. Says he'll tighten rotations ... yea you get my point. When has this fool ever stuck to something his big mouth has said?
Well, perhaps never. I'd be inclined to have a 9 man rotation and keep with it no matter what. Certainly in the pre-season and the first half of the season, I'd be able to come up with a steady line-up. There is value in that as the 9 players would get used to each other and I think we have a group of 9 that is actually pretty good. Let me give a shot at my 9: Cousins, Tyreke, JT, JJ, and Jimmer. Certainly picking Jimmer will cause angst among some on this forum but I think he is a better team leader than IT and Brooks. This is my starting five and perhaps is premature. Then I would stick in Salmons, TRob, Brooks (ouch!), and Thornton. I noticed Salmons playing what I call a PG a few times tonight and would be happy to rid the team of Brooks.

I would give the starting 5 a lot of minutes unless a reserve caught fire. If no one is hitting, I would go back to the starting 5 as it is just as likely that a cold starter will suddenly get hot as compared to anyone else. Tonight's game may not aupport that but if the players were not worried about getting jerked, shooters like Jimmer and MT could relax and would have a decent chance of finding their stroke. Playing 13 players in the hopes of finding one guy that can shoot is silly and also hard on the morale of the starters.

Smart doesn't know how to handle basketball players which I find remarkable. He is like the guy who was always picked last in grade school and is trying to protect everyone else from that feeling. This is the NBA and not grade school.

I suspect people will find some objection with JJ and Jimmer but I'll bet if they had a steady starting position, we would already have won a few more games. Our reserves would be fairly well balanced also and the 2nd quarter disasters wouldn't happen - I think. There would always be a starter on the floor.
 
#13
every active player on the roster entered the game tonight, and were featured in a dozen different lineups. people wonder how 69 pts, 9 asts happens. i'll tell you how: keith ****ing smart. it's as if he hates the idea of these kings learning how to play as a team. such a presence anywhere in the locker room should not be tolerated. the fact that this is their head coach is both deplorable and embarrassing, as is refraining from placing his name at the top of the poll in this thread...
 
#14
I'm tired of seeing 13 players getting minutes in a game like this. Damnit man pick 8 or 9 guys and keep the rotation tight. Always have DFC or Tyreke in the game.

As Padrino stated above the Kings will never learn to play as a team as long as Smart rotates in 13 guys with his crazy approach.

Obviously this was a poor shooting night for the Kings and the Grizz Defense had something to do with it.

KB
 
#16
I voted Tyreke. Just as DMC is held to a higher standard I expect more from Evans, who had some serious wtf plays and really didn't hurt the Grizzlies at all. Also seemed to be playing rather selfishly and unpurposefully.
 
#17
Tyreke as well. Jimmer/Thomas/Brooks were all certainly partially responsible, but we don't depend on those guys for victories. Just like we expect 20-10 from DeMarcus on a nightly basis, we should expect at least 18-4-5 from Tyreke on a nightly basis. With the way we're coached and the way our supporting cast tends to fade every other week, the 2 constants we need to have is DeMarcus and Tyreke playing well every game. We aren't going to be consistent winners otherwise
 
#18
I'm so tired of Keith Smart. Why does he continue to say things like "tightening the rotation" only to play every freakin' player the very next game? I know it's been said a million times, but his rotations and decision making is killing us. Without some sort of consistency these are the results we are going to constantly see - which is erratic team rhythm. Regardless, it was going to be tough to win this game, but it doesn't excuse the random lineups every night.

You can't expect to not play Jimmer in the first half every game and then have him be consistently good playing with a different lineup. This is the same with each player on this team. Either commit to the guy or don't. But geez, make a freakin decision, so players aren't guessing whether they are going to play night after night.

If we are building towards the future, I strongly suggest going with this lineup for the next 30 games to see what develops:

Starters
Jimmer - G
Evans - G
Salmons - F
Thompson - F
Cousins - C

Bench
Thomas - G
Thornton - G
TRob - F
Johnson - F (when we need defensive stops and when others get in foul trouble)
Hayes - C (to give Cuz a breather or foul trouble calls for it)

That's it! 10 guys at the most!! No other guys - unless we are getting blown out in the 4th or our lead is safe. And Cuz and Evans should play at least 38+ min a game.

This lineup helps us build towards the future, helps with spacing on the floor, and I firmly believe will win us more games then any other stupid random lineup. This team can be competitive night in and night out if Smart would just let these 8-10 guys build and develop some consistent team chemistry.

Enough of this crap! Just play this lineup, let those 8-10 get all the minutes, find rhythm and team chemistry, and for heaven's sake even let them struggle at times. I can't stand this anymore! Argh!!!

Ok, I feel better now. :)
 
#19
i think to sum up what many of us think - we just want this "coach" to decide on a fixed rotation and stick to it so that guys learn to play with each other and gain consistent experience in their roles. We should win and lose by this lineup alone, because it's supposed to be our best lineup. Screw the matchup nonsense - that should only have minor effects on your overall gameplan and strategy, not cause you to change your rotations altogether. The Lakers don't put in Robert Sacre when Dwight is having a bad game.

Good coaches plan a strategy, give the team an identity and get them to practice over and over again until they execute their game 90% of the time. 10% of the time the team doesn't execute according to plan and you lose the game - live with it. Out of the 90% there are a number of times when the other team is just flat out better than you despite you executing perfectly, and there are another few times when the stars just seem to be aligned for the other team. You live with that, and you should still come away a .500 team. The main thing is you need either balls or brains to stick with a lineup and give them practice to improve. Keith Smart has neither, and will forever be looking for his 12th man to hopefully come in and provide a spark offensively. The Lakers are only a teeny bit ahead of us at the moment, but at the end of the season I think they'll be getting their act together and if their guys remain healthy and Howard doesn't bail they'll probably be closer to the team envisioned come next season. If we stick with Smart, we'll be winning under 30 games every season. And if we get rid of him now we still have to be patient for the team to gel under the new coach, and accept that we wasted two years under Keith Not-so Smart.
 
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#20
The Griz are a match up nightmare for the Kings. As soon as the game started I noticed every player on the Griz are bigger than all thier competition on the kings. The Kings will not out rebound those guys. Nor will the Kings out defend those guys. The only way we beat the Griz is with great ball movement and a high shooting percetage. We also need to win the turn over battle. I stopped watching after the first quarter because I knew I was wasting my time. I came back with 4 mins left and was suprised we where only down by 14 points or so. We need another big for teams like the Griz.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#21
How is this for a stat? Three of our guards made a total of zero assists and in total had eight turnovers. That's 0/8. IT had 5 assists, 1 to.

Brick, I think you're right about most of the IT description except for the defense. I watched IT pretty carefully and he was not abused defensively by Memphis. I think this was another case of the phantom poor IT defense. In fact, I think the lack of scoring by Memphis also belies this phantom IT poor defense. I totally agree about his poor his poor shooting. He missed a ton of open looks.
 
#22
The Griz are a match up nightmare for the Kings. As soon as the game started I noticed every player on the Griz are bigger than all thier competition on the kings. The Kings will not out rebound those guys. Nor will the Kings out defend those guys. The only way we beat the Griz is with great ball movement and a high shooting percetage. We also need to win the turn over battle. I stopped watching after the first quarter because I knew I was wasting my time. I came back with 4 mins left and was suprised we where only down by 14 points or so. We need another big for teams like the Griz.
drummond?
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#24
Given there's three of you doing the grading, how about someone take on grading Smart? I'd be interested to see if one of you see the mistakes I see over the course of the game.

I guess we couldn't ask for much more of a gift than playing Char tomorrow. But who knows how that goes. Could see us winning by 20, or losing by 10 and everyone hanging their heads throughout.
I didn't see all the little things. Just the big thing, which is the Memphis defense. They have one excellent defensive player. The other guys are pretty good defensively. Their center is ground-bound. No shot blocker to speak of. Yet their defense was extremely good. I don't need to describe the Kings. Yes, coaching makes a big difference.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#25
How is this for a stat? Three of our guards made a total of zero assists and in total had eight turnovers. That's 0/8. IT had 5 assists, 1 to.

Brick, I think you're right about most of the IT description except for the defense. I watched IT pretty carefully and he was not abused defensively by Memphis. I think this was another case of the phantom poor IT defense. In fact, I think the lack of scoring by Memphis also belies this phantom IT poor defense. I totally agree about his poor his poor shooting. He missed a ton of open looks.
ITs grade was written up by Capt. Fact. And knowing how detail oriented he is I wouldn't bet against his numbers.
 

Capt. Factorial

ceterum censeo delendum esse Argentum
Staff member
#26
Brick, I think you're right about most of the IT description except for the defense. I watched IT pretty carefully and he was not abused defensively by Memphis. I think this was another case of the phantom poor IT defense.
As Brick said, I did the write-up for IT, so my eyes were on him while he was in. I've deleted my notes, but from memory Thomas' defense looked better in the first quarter but that may have been because the Memphis guards weren't attacking the rim. Once they started going at him, Conley and Bayless were pretty much able to get wherever they wanted, though they did more passing than shooting once they got there and Conley missed a couple at the rim. IT's defensive output was probably the best of the IT/MT/Jimmer/Brooks subset tonight, but that really wasn't saying a whole lot. Maybe one, maybe two times where he managed to thwart what the offense was gong for, but nothing to cheer about.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#27
I missed most of this game...and for that I am eternally grateful. Props to bajaden, Capt. Factorial and Brick for having the wherewithal to stick it out. The only entertainment from this one was the grades, if you like gallows humor.

Oh well. It's over and done and tonight we get to try again.

GO KINGS!