[Grades] Grades v. Clippers 4/12/2014

Looking back in 15 years, how will the NBA careers of our 3 kids compare?

  • Ben > Ray > Derrick

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • Ben > Derrick > Ray

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Ray > Derrick > Ben

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • Ray > Ben > Derrick

    Votes: 10 35.7%
  • Derrick > Ben > Ray

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Derrick > Ray > Ben

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Ok, Detroit owns the tiebreaker with us, so this loss probably locks us into our old traditional #7 seed (one of the great annual mistakes by the Kings franchise is how often we have managed to finish right about here, largely out of the running for elite players, but nowhere near the playoffs). So that frees us up to sweep the last two games and win 29. Maybe IT will mount a miraculous recovery. :p

Maybe the story of the game might have been Gentle Ben getting his first career ejection on two weakish technical fouls. Actually the whole game was notable for Ben, who was so invisible we might as well have had Sign Lady out on the court in the first half, then came on to score 14 3rd quarter points, then ended up getting tossed on an offensive foul against JJ Reddick.

Our two main guys struggled with efficiency on the night against the stacked defense. Rudy looked just bad. But Big Cuz eventually muscled his way into a hohum 32pt 12reb game which actually isn't going to earn him an A. Which tells you something about both the game and the magnitude of the player. The real problem was on the other side of the court where the Clippers bombed us out of the late game with a barrage of threes.

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Your Consoritum Graders tonight:
Bricklayer
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Capt. Factorial
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Boxscore

Stats: 34min 17pts (6-18, 1-2, 2-4) 6reb 2ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Gay ( D ) -- this was a poor game for Rudy. Poorer I think than the numbers even show. At no point was he able to establish any rhythm, and at times he looked like he was physically hampered. Just wasn't moving well. And while his particular brand of tunnel vision can produce spectacular results when he's on his game due to the sheer talent, when he's off, as tonight, it was fugly. The ball stopped, and it was just a struggle. Like Cousins it wasn't just misses, but constant raggedness, getting stripped, losing control, getting of balance and just throwing something at the rim. Rudy was a net negative pretty much the whole night. While both he and Cousins were struggling were barely clinging on trying to avoid the blowout. When Cuz began to click into some semblance of gear though, the best Rudy could do was mount a tepid little 4pt scoring run, then go back to his struggle. Just a bad night, and anight when he may not have been physically right. Like a marathoner stumbling forward to that finish line ready to collapse afterwards. --Brick
Andrew Wiggins, 6'8" 200lb SF, Fr. -- megahyped superquick SF prospect that was being called the next Lebron coming out of high school, but after a year of college a few questions have emerged ( now nbadraftnet compares him to Rudy Gay, ouch). Note: he went to Kansas, same as Thomas Robinson, same as Ben McLemore. Be afraid, very afraid. A little like Ben in that he has a tendency to disappear and people have questioned his killer instinct. Not like like Ben in that his elite athleticism includes the ball with a great first step, and people remain fascinated by his inside outside scoring potential, and critical elite potential on the other end. Built slight however, and his frame doesn't look like its built to hold a lot more meat. could be closer to a SG/SF than a SF/PF.

Stats: 34min 14pts (4-6, 0-0, 6-8) 14reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Evans ( B- ) -- All things considered, Reggie had a pretty good night tonight. He was vacuuming up the boards with a game-high 14 (compare to Blake Griffin's lowly 4) and he was offensively effective in every way he could possibly be - 4-6 from the floor (all deep in the paint as the should be) and shockingly 6-8 from the free throw line (which ties his career-high FT% when taking at least 8 attempts). The problem, of course, is that he was asked to guard Blake Griffin, and that's a tough charge. He actually did a pretty good job in the first half, limiting Blake to only 7 points on 6 shots (there were a few Griffin possessions that Reggie was not responsible for) and basically making Blake a third option in the offense. Blake came out with a mission in the third quarter and turned it around, dropping another 11 points on 7 shots before going to the bench. While Evans generally did well guarding Blake in the post, where he struggled was when Blake was on the move with a live dribble, either in the face-up game or in transition. Griffin racked up nine assists tonight, and I wouldn't be surprised if every single one of them was on a drop-off as he was driving to the hoop - that was a bread-and-butter play for the Clippers tonight and Evans had no answer for it. So it's kind of a funny game where Evans gets major cred for his offensive game but was unable to solve the defensive side of the equation. --Capt.
Joel Embid, 7'0" 245lb C, Fr. -- extremely agile and coordinated center prospect who only took up the sport a few years ago, and yet is already capable of showing majorly nifty moves. Projects as a potential defensive force as well. Bullish watchers compare him to Olajuwon, and for that reason he has a good shot to go #1 in this draft. Could he play next to Cousins to rectify the Drummond blunder? Maybe. Like Cousins he has great agility and corrdination for a guy that size. He needs to add some weight, will never be Cousins bulky, but that is why it might work. A true megatalented Twin Towers set. Recent back issues are a concern, and people are goignt o want to make sure they aren't spending their top pick on Greg Oden.

Stats: 43min 32pts (12-27, 0-0, 8-9) 12reb 5ast 2stl 2blk 6TO
Cousins ( B- ) -- going against his favorite frontline, and of course faced with a major challenge in DeAndre Jordan, Boogie very determinedly stalked his way out another monster statline, but one that was very obviously a struggle to achieve. Simply put, he wasn't on, he was going against an elite frontline, his main wingman was even further off, and he needed to keep on firing and finding ways, and he eventually did. Jumper was flat off from the start of the game, but I thought at least a contributing factor was where he was taking it from, as Jordan's presence was pushing him far out on the wings, and if you've ever seen a Boogie shotchart, or just watched him for any length of time, you will know that his jumper sweetspot is from up top around the circle. Wasn't being passive though, muscled in impressively a number of times, and was playing aggressively on defense, trying to take charges and swiping at balls. But defense would be a major issue for us as Paul and Griffin repeatedly found their way into the paint and Boogie or JT when he was in there were faced with the "Clipper decision" -- do you step up to challenge and have them throw the lob over your head for a Jordan dunk? Or do you hang back and keep contact with Jordan, and let the driver walk to the rim. There was a lot of both decisions made today, and no matter which one it was it didn't work out for us. Even with the efficiency struggles though, was piling up nice plays, as he will. Nice pass to a cutting Ray for an assist, powered into Jordan, hit several tough post moves from mid distance. but for every oen strong hit there were two frustrating misses, and even around the hoop his touch was not there tiongith as he missed multiple little finishes that he hits anymore. through the first half at least, it was actually Reggie Evans, operating in the shadow of the attention that Boogie draws, who was the more efficient post scorer for us. as Jordan kept him
away form the hoop but he scored anyway. Began to get the jumper going a little late in the half, but still was struggling with the physical banging (including from Big Baby who caused several turnovers just from sumo slamming Cuz hard enough the ball was jarred loose). part of the problem was you could see he knew the jumper wasn't falling, and so he began to get reluctant to shoot it, put the ball on the floor instead, headed into heavy traffic and lost it. When he finally got another shot to fall it was when Ray finally created one for him at the rim, and late in the third figured out the jumper problem, swinging over to the top of the key where he is much better, and began to drain them as we're accustomed to seeing from his preferred spots. Was playing big as we closed the lead all the way down to 2 points at one point. Just reached out and took the ball from Darren Collison to trigger our break, notched multiple assists, and muscled his way in for a 30+pt night. Got several dubious whistles called on him down the stretch that would eventually result in him fouling out with 16 seconds to go, but by that point he had long since taken a game that would have been a lost one when he was a rookie, and turned it into a big 32pt 12reb 5ast 2stl 2blk star-on-a-night-he's-struggling-with-his-shooting-effort. --Brick
Jabari Parker, 6'8" 235lb SF, Fr. -- the other mega SF prospect in this draft, still deciding whether to come out or not. Not the elite athlete Wiggins is, more a power SF in the mold of a Pierce or Melo. Could play a little PF, and figures to be a strong SF rebounder. Might have more clutch/competitive fire than Wiggins, but failed on the biggest stage at the end of the season. If Wiggins is quickness and finesse, Parker is not afraid to use his body inside, and has a natural feel for scoring from all parts of the floor.

Stats: 32min 14pts (3-7, 2-4, 6-6) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
McLemore ( C- ) -- This was a tough one. At the end of the first half Ben was looking at an F, or at best a D-. He started the game by getting caught in a screen, and totally losing Reddick who nailed a three from the corner. After missing a wide open three from the elbow himself, he once again got caught in a screen and this time Reddick hit an 18 footer and was fouled. Back in friendly territory, he tried to post up Reddick only to have his shot blocked by Jordan. He ended his time in the 1st quarter by missing another wide open three. He was up off the bench and back to action at the 7:12 mark of the 2nd quarter, where he once again got caught in a screen, but recovered better this time and fortunately Reddick missed a three. He barely avoided disaster as he was bringing the ball up the court, seemingly oblivious to anyone behind him, when Paul almost stole the ball. Fortunately when Paul knocked the ball away, it went out of bounds. That's about it for the first half. No points, no rebounds that I remember, no assists, and poor defense. But it got better in the second half. He started the 3rd quarter by almost stealing the ball from Reddick. On his first offensive play he drove down the lane through traffic, avoided the outstretched hand of Griffin and flipped it in. He also started defending Reddick more aggressively. It wasn't perfect, but he was at least contesting shots and making Reddick work harder. Once again he drove the lane, and this time he was fouled. He made both freethrows. He followed that by stealing the ball, driving the length of the court and once again was fouled at the basket, and once again he made both freethrows. On his next offensive possession, he repeated the play again, getting fouled and making both. They say when a shooter is struggling, that getting to the line can get him going. Must have worked because he then hit a three from the right wing. He then closed out the 3rd by grabbing a board, and driving all the way to the three point line with a full head of steam and shooting just a half second before the 3rd ended and making a three. At this point things were looking positive for Ben entering the 4th. That positive turned negative very quickly. while moving without the ball he was being closely guarded by Reddick who was bumping and banging on McLemore. As he crossed through the lane, and as the whistle blew for a foul on Reddick, McLemore turned and shoved Reddick away with an open hand, that come close to Reddick's face. Crawford immediately ejected McLemore from the game. So we'll never know if he could have continued his comeback or not. Live and learn. And don't ever talk back to Crawford. --Baja
Julius Randle, 6'9" 250lb PF, Fr. -- extremely skilled offensive power forward with a goto guy's game. Plays offense a bit like a smaller Boogie. Can face up and drive, work in the post, hit the midrange jumper. Strong body, but not a great athlete. Paul Milsap maybe. Questions about whether he will be able to defend at the next level. Offensive focus/shaky D make him an awkward fit next to Boogie.

Stats: 40min 8pts (4-13, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 8ast 0stl 2blk 2TO
McCallum ( C- ) -- Ray certainly had some good moments in this one, but there was just a little too much recklessness, and not enough production to call it a success. I thought his passing was good tonight, and while he didn’t necessarily make plays for his teammates, he got them the ball when they were open. He fed both Cousins and Evans early and often, and those guys were delivering. He got denied at the rim a lot. But that’s what Jordan is back there for. And his jumper wasn’t working, so … he just ran out of options. He only had four field goals, two of which came off of cuts to the basket. He was just never able to establish himself as an offensive threat. Despite Chris Paul’s impressive stat line, I thought McCallum’s defense was pretty good. He had a nice Lebron-esque chase down block on Collison, but his defense was solid throughout. Paul got him a few times of course, but he forced the ball out of his hands quite a bit, and did a good job cutting off multiple drive attempts. So, not great, not horrible, but considering the competition here I thought he competed hard and made some nice plays. We’ll call it a good learning experience and leave it at that. On this night, though, the Kings could have used more offense out of him.--Mass
Marcus Smart, 6'4" 220lb PG, So. -- physical beast of a PG/combo guard. Could be a tough physical defender as well, although not 100% clear how he'll stay in front of quickness. You've seen this act before, its called Tyreke. Like Reke, if he plays much at SG will have to learn how to play off the ball. Big and strong if you call him a PG, and loves to use it to punish little guards. That's how he and Cousins could have synergy. Make us one of the most physical teams in the league. Also make us Team Pariah. Big time flopper in college, and got suspended for getting into it with a fan.
 
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Bench

Stats: 23min 6pts (3-7, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( D+ ) -- Another hard grade to figure. Travis played 23 minutes, and he didn't really do anything particularly wrong. Its just that he didn't do much of anything. He did score 6 points on 3 of 7 shooting, and he did have 3 assists. But one rebound isn't going to cut it. His defense was OK but nothing to write home about. He was just sort of out there taking up space. He did have one scoring play where he followed a beautiful spin move with an 16 foot jumper. He tried that identical play a bit later, but missed. In fairness to him, he didn't get his number called that many times. The plan seemed to be, feeding the ball to Cousins everytime down the floor. And since Cuz was scoring, why not. Bottom line is, I can't give out a higher grade for doing nothing. Well I could, but I won't. --Baja
Noel Vonleh, 6'10" 240lb PF, Fr. -- another skilled young offensive PF, although maybe rawer than Randle. Very strong college rebounder, but despite good NBA PF size, not a great leaper, may not be a great shotblocker or defensive guy at the next level, and a poor passer. Offensive scoring skills though are both inside with hooks and out (where he even showed some ability to hit the college three). NBAdraft.net tags him with the unfortunate possible comparison as Wayman Tisdale. Whatya think? Pair Cousins w/ Tisdale up front = title?

Stats: 5min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( INC ) -- played 5 minutes in this one, I think all in the first half. And the clippers just pounded us on the boards while he was out there as a PF, so we brought back in Cousins and that was that. late season minimization of both DWill and JT makes you wonder about their futures here. --Brick
Willie Cauley-Stein, 7'0" 244lb C, So. -- in a star studded draft, a roleplayer type sometimes mentioned with the Kings because of his potential to fill the long/defensive/shotblocker role here. Legit 7 footer and solid athlete. Questions about how driven he is, but able to make things look easy at times in college. Not uncoordinated, does not have bad hands, but rarely used for offense. Mobile enough to pair with Cousins? Not clear. Long enough to protect the rim though.

Stats: 13min 3pts (1-1, 0-0, 1-2) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thompson ( INC ) -- JT played thirteen minutes in this game but he just wasn't really involved and it's safe to say it looks like he's probably on the way out in the offseason. He did badly miss an open dunk in the early second quarter and got bailed out by a phantom touch from Big Baby. He had a nice assist to Rudy Gay deep in the paint, managed three rebounds, and wasn't the primary victim of Blake Griffin's big night - there is that. But it's not really enough to give a grade, in my opinion. --Capt.
Dante Exum, 6'6" 188lb PG/SG, Int. -- this draft's international man of mystery, Exum is a young quick 6'6" kid who might just be a natural PG. Excellent court vision, handles, aggressive to the rim, although is too skinny and will have to bulk up before slamming into Marc Gasol consistently. Strength could prove to be an issue on defense as well, although supposedly he gives a good effort. Not a big shooter yet, which would limit his appeal to us as a SG, at least in the short term. This could end up being the special PG I this draft...or not. A comparison commonly tossed around is Penny Hardaway. A little Shaq n' Penny action in Sacto?

Stats: 14min 6pts (1-2, 1-1, 3-4) 0reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Cunningham ( C+ ) -- Cunningham saw some minutes at the one and the two tonight, and I thought he gave the Kings a pretty good performance. His one field goal was a big three pointer in the fourth quarter after McLemore was ejected to cut the Clippers lead down to five. The rest of his points were scored at the free throw line thanks to a couple aggressive drive attempts. He had a few solid moments defensively, but his overall impact on this game was relatively minor. He did what he could with the minutes Malone gave him, though. Solid. --Mass
Aaron Gordon, 6'9" 212lb PF, Fr. -- another frosh PF prospect, but of a different type. Does not have the outstanding offensive skills of a Randle, and actually has made his rep more as a saavy roleplayer type. In this draft not sure drafting a roleplayer in the Top 10 is going to be satisfying. Good athlete, but not terribly big. Might almost be a tweener given his mobility. Good handle for a PF, and hustles and makes plays on the other end.

Stats: 1min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Acy ( INC ) -- just the final 16 seconds after Cuz fouled out. --Brick
 
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I was at this game, some takeaways

-Our offense consists mostly of Cousins or Gay isolation situations, and neither look to pass(At times i was telling myself that I don't blame them, but ultimately this is not a recipe for winning basketball and its just frustrating to see wide open players not given the ball and instead Gay and Cousins throwing up junk over 2 or 3 defenders.)

-IT's dribble penetration is sorely missed, McCallum just doesn't know or simply can't get into the teeth of the defense like Isaiah does, which is probably why everything turns into an iso. McCallum is a solid defender and generally makes good decisions though(isn't that what most of us want from the backup?)

-Reggie Evans is a beast, just out works everyone for position, its no surprise he's been in the league as long as he has, a true pro.
 
I was very impressed with McLemore in this game. Too bad he couldn't play the 4th quarter. Too bad he didn't get the ball more in the first three. He slipped a screen very quickly and finished in an athletic play. Malone gave him the ball to bring up from the backcourt and under pressure he ran up the floor and nailed the three pointer. He made an earlier three. This is a very promising game by McLemore. The two technical fouls just added to it as far as I was concerned. No way was he going to be on a highlight with Griffin on the first one (It was a very dubious technical). The second technical was a little too much aggression, but I'll take that from McLemore any day. Loved his game today. It's like he just grew up a little.

Gay led the team as a black hole. It's a wonder we didn't get all sucked into his vortex and are smaller than an atom. Cousins was a distant 2nd. They missed several opportunities for guys who were wide open, typically the guards. Gay had poor efficiency; Cousins very mediocre efficiency. Those guys need to have much better shooting efficiency to win against the Clipps.

Outlaw has been a pleasant surprise this year.
 
To the question - haven't the foggiest. Right now Ray looks to have the best future in league, Ben and DW require a lot of patience which they may not get.
 
I liked Ben stopping Griffin with the forearm to the upper chest for the hard foul. Too bad the Refs overly protect Griffin. I also like the fact he is not taking any crap from Reddick. Ben just needs to learn to pick his spots.

Overall a pretty good game by the Kings. The Clippers just have too many weapons. I mean Jared Dudley would start on most teams and he is the 10th man on the Clips!
 
I liked Ben stopping Griffin with the forearm to the upper chest for the hard foul. Too bad the Refs overly protect Griffin. I also like the fact he is not taking any crap from Reddick. Ben just needs to learn to pick his spots.

Overall a pretty good game by the Kings. The Clippers just have too many weapons. I mean Jared Dudley would start on most teams and he is the 10th man on the Clips!
No he wouldn't, not the way he has played this year. He would battle it out with Outlaw/Williams on our team if Rudy was not traded.
 
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I was at this game, some takeaways

-Our offense consists mostly of Cousins or Gay isolation situations, and neither look to pass(At times i was telling myself that I don't blame them, but ultimately this is not a recipe for winning basketball and its just frustrating to see wide open players not given the ball and instead Gay and Cousins throwing up junk over 2 or 3 defenders.)
As the Clippers commentator would say BINNGGGGOOOOO!
 
Ok, Detroit owns the tiebreaker with us, so this loss probably locks us into our old traditional #7 seed (one of the great annual mistakes by the Kings franchise is how often we have managed to finish right about here, largely out of the running for elite players, but nowhere near the playoffs). So that frees us up to sweep the last two games and win 29.

Perhaps this was a bit facetious and I missed it, but there's no tiebreaker for lotto position. In the case of a tie with Detroit (which is still mathematically possible) we would split the lotto combos (in this case of a 7/8 tie we would split 71 combos, so each would get 35) and there would be a coin flip to determine who gets the #7 position pre-lotto (the winner would also get the final lotto combo).

Still, at this point #7 is far and away the most likely outcome.
 
Watching play-by-play from a hotel in Philly a pattern emerges again that this rather dysfunctional bunch can stick with good teams thru 3 to 3-1/2 quarters then when others turn it up a notch the Kings just don't have the ability or experience to follow suit and fall back into one-on-one again. As my bud bajaden reminds me, this off season could see quite a house cleaning. RayMac seems on the way to being a really good backup PG. Ben has a year ot two to go but could be worth the wait. Sure wish DWill would step up into what he could become. Thought comments above were all right on, for a change.
 
Watching play-by-play from a hotel in Philly a pattern emerges again that this rather dysfunctional bunch can stick with good teams thru 3 to 3-1/2 quarters then when others turn it up a notch the Kings just don't have the ability or experience to follow suit and fall back into one-on-one again. As my bud bajaden reminds me, this off season could see quite a house cleaning. RayMac seems on the way to being a really good backup PG. Ben has a year ot two to go but could be worth the wait. Sure wish DWill would step up into what he could become. Thought comments above were all right on, for a change.

Well just generally speaking I think that would be the case for almost every team, good or bad. It's rare that even the worst team gets blown out from the get go every game. Most of the time they kinda hang in there until the second half at least.
 
No he wouldn't, not the way he has played this year. He would battle it out with Outlaw/Williams on our team if Rudy was not traded.

You may be right. I don't watch the Clippers games unless they are playing the Kings. He did start for the Suns the last two seasons. Also he was mentioned here on Kingsfans.com as our SF answer prior to the trades Pete made this season.

Is he in Doc Rivers dog house or something?
 
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