[Grades] Grades v. Clippers 10/31/15

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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The (Very) Good -- we are a flat talented team. After the first half of the opener, I would go so far as to say we are a GOOD team, or at least playing like one. We went down into the den of a contender and if you knew nothing about the NBA you would have been hard-pressed to tell which team was the contender, which not. In fact given the high level of play you might have concluded their were TWO contenders out there locking horns in an eventual playoff preview. Both of them being led by star PGs too after the northern contender lost its star center. We lost Cuz and this is the new year: it wasn't the end. You looked around out there and there was plenty of talent to still make a game of it. Lots of mature voices to hang tough.

The Bad -- we lost again, good team or not. And now we have an injury concern with Cuz listed day to day with a sore achilles. That can mean virtually nothing -- I've had sore achilles half a dozen times at least -- or it can be a precursor to vulnerability of one of the very worst injuries you can have. I'm not going to remotely ponder the latter, but our training staff may have to, and with the brutal run of teams coming up we can't have him out.


Boxscore

Stats: 31min 20pts (8-23, 2-5, 2-2) 9reb 2ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
Summary: Rudy started this game off hot but ball sloppy, but after we lost Cuz the defense shifted their attention to him

Gay ( B- ) -- sloppy with the ball in the early going, but otherwise was a playing an excellent early game, he hit an early three, ran a nifty give and go with Cuz, and kept on hitting high high degree of difficulty shots that just screamed talent! But when the refs whistles turned badly against us in the second quarter (by halftime 4 of our 5 starters had 3 fouls), rudy was the first victim. And int eh second half, sans Cuz to draw attention away, the Clippers defense became more focused on Rudy, and Rudy's production plummeted. he was largely invisible in the third quarter, and while he was there for us to male our 2nd run in 4 days at the Clips in the 4th quarter, efficiency was a distant memory by that point. The guarding Blake magic wasn't there this time either. It was a game that started off looking nifty, but int he end 8-23 and the early ballhandling misadventures told more of the story.

Stats: 23min 8pts (3-5, 0-0, 2-4) 9reb 0ast 3stl 1blk 2TO
Summary: not as dynamic as last time out, and only slightly slowed Blake. Lost minutes due to need for offense without Cuz

Cauley Stein ( B ) -- got off to another great start racing up and down the court and making an impact especially by running into steals this time, but he was only mildly suppressing the Blake problem, and Karl made a substitution move early that may have made sense on several fronts, but which which seemed to sap Willie's special. he was playing great, we were playing great, and then midway through the first Karl abruptly subbed in Omri for him. I was trying to figure that out, maybe to rest him and keep him from tiring himself out with hustle for too many minutes in a row. Maybe to set up later rotations when Cuz eventually left. Whatever the cause, when WCS made it back on t he floor he was no longer as effective, and foul problems became a major issue for him, eventually combining with Cuz's injury to reduce us from our 3 towers down to just 1 (Kosta).

Stats: 15min 13pts (6-14, 0-3, 1-2) 9reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Summary: Cuz was Cuzzing until he started hobbling and the Clippers started squeezing. Did not return after half

Cousins ( B- ) -- Cuz only got a half of play in this time, and the reason why (sore achilles) is a little concerning given that he sat out the second half of a close winnable game against a team he hates and would love to beat. During the half we did get to see him, which was played at a remarkably high level overall, there seemed to be a looseness and flow to his talent. But it was almost too much looseness, as he was just flowing right into whatever jumper or three came his way without hesitation. He was 0-3 from three, I think 2-5 from the midrange jumpers -- but not his bread and butter from the elbows, but long angled jumpers he was just taking like he was Durant -- and 4-6 from banging inside. I'll take more banging and less settling thanks. Now that said, he put up 13pts and 9rebs in 15 minutes of action, which means that he was putting up numbers at a 31pt-22reb pace per 36 minutes. Always got to check yourself when you nitpick Cuz, because he might be in the midst of something epic at any moment. His cool began to fray, and his limp began to get worse, as the Clips really squeezed us, and the refs really ****ed us late in the half. But still, we were right there, and we finished right there. If we'd had Cuz in the second half we had a good chance of wining this one.

Stats: 10min 3pts (1-3, 0-0, 1-1) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Summary: gave us nothing, and Redick was killing us, eventually we went completely away

McLemore ( D+ ) -- early in this one made a mistake on a rotation and left Redick, who just killed us,. wide open in the corner for a three. This being a new year for us, Ben tries to race over and challenge rathern than just job, but the result was predictable. Got a shaky +1 called on a drive, shaky in that he got fouled about 15 seconds before he finally put the shot up but got continuation anyway. And that was it for Ben one more time. Remarkably. Both by Ben's lack of production and our lack of looking for him, we're kind of playing 4 on 5. He made one really good looking slash to the rim later, but blew the finish, and that was it. With no Cuz after half we entirely went away while looking for somebody who would actually give us some production. There's not even a reason for the "+" to his D. He scored 3pts on 1-3 shooting and was benched for 3/4 of the game. What's an F at this point? 2pts on 1-5 shooting in 8 minutes?

Stats: 33min 21pts (9-17, 1-4, 2-6) 5reb 8ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Summary: occasionally forced to shoot by the defense early, but then we lost Cuz, and Rondo returned to star mode

Rondo ( A- ) -- in the early going of this one was trying to direct things and keep himself from becoming a liability by not hesitating on the jumpers the Clippers were giving him. And while he was far from Curry out there (the Warriors' Curry, not ours), he would miss one, then rattle one in, miss and then hit just enough that he kept things moving and kept that from becoming a winning gimmick for the Clippers. His FTs...are another mysterious issue. And those he didn't hit acceptably. But where Rajon really began to shine again was with us down about a dozen in the third quarter, when it looked like the combination of all the foul trouble and losing Boogie to the injury was going to be too much. We were scrapping, but scraping bottom, but rather than getting weaker, Rajon instead went the other way, started attacking an getting stronger and stronger as the game went along, getting us back into it by the end of the 3rd, and making an amazing steal and full court pass to Collison to get us within 3 in the early 4th. It was something we virtually did not have last year -- Cuz was out, Rudy was not able to take over, and so our THIRD star took, while our THIRD 7'0" banger battled inside, and that's a good time. We came up short again, and I don't think Rajon is going to average 21 this season, but if he plays like this and Cuz's injury is just a tweak, we all of a sudden look very talented. Not even just playoff talented.
 
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Bench

Stats: 21min 10pts (4-6, 1-1, 1-2) 4reb 2stl 0stl 0blk 3TO
Casspi ( B ) -- was mysteriously inserted in early for WCS while the rook was still playing well, but I guess maybe needed a rest. Worked well with Koufos in the first half on the offensive glass, and set Kosta up with a nice drive and dish as well. But this time there were also tunrovers, including a really boneheaded one trying to inbound along the baseline. And as we went smaller after half, Omri largely disappeared.

Stats: 35min 15pts (6-16, 1-2, 2-2) 3reb 6ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Collison ( B- ) -- in the first half dominated his matchup with Rivers with his speed, but when CP3 returned the advantage turned with him, and CP3 seemed to know how to work over his old backup. Was the guy we turned to in the backcourt to give us some actual offense after half, and he was able to to some degree, but there were more shots missed than hit. Got adventuresome late in the game, hitting a huge three to bring us back within 3 with 2:20 to go, then making a couple of boneheaded mistakes int he final 2 minutes, including most egregiously screwing up on an intentional foul of Deandre Jordan -- fouling him after the 2 minute mark, which meant by rule the Clips could send anybody they wanted to the line to take a technical FT, and then get the ball back. Old school classic Kings brainfart.

Stats: 29min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Koufos ( C+ ) -- in his early minutes combining with Casspi on the glass, and some nice interior passing. But once he was left as the last of the big men mohiccans with Boogie gone and WCS in foul trouble, grew quiet production-wise. Still was excelling in his interior defense and screening game, but until a tip follow to get us within 1 in the final 2 minutes the scorebaord wasn't moving much.

Stats: 28min 11pts (2-8, 1-2, 6-6) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Belinelli ( ) --

Stats: 14min 4pts (2-4, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Butler ( ) --
 
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Stats: 28min 21pts (5-15, 0-2, 11-14) 11reb 3ast 0stl 2blk 0TO
Summary: Cuz was Cuzzing until he started hobbling and the Clippers started squeezing. Did not return after half
Cousins ( ) --

Psst, Brick - did you use last game's stats for Cuz again? 28 minutes is mighty impressive for someone playing for one half :p

On topic, didn't get to watch the game, but from all the comments and recaps, this was as much of a positive as you can get out of a loss. Definitely no cause for alarm, just need to keep playing together and pray DMC's achilles heals fast.

GO KINGS!
 
Psst, Brick - did you use last game's stats for Cuz again? 28 minutes is mighty impressive for someone playing for one half :p

On topic, didn't get to watch the game, but from all the comments and recaps, this was as much of a positive as you can get out of a loss. Definitely no cause for alarm, just need to keep playing together and pray DMC's achilles heals fast.

GO KINGS!

I did.

I think I am going to just start using his stats from those 30-20 games from now on.
 
I'm liking WCS's basketball IQ. He, along with Rondo, Collison and Belli deserve to be in the Mensa group. Everybody else? Not so much.
 
How many chances does he need? He's had two full seasons to show improvement and we have yet to see anything of that sort in this preseason and the first two games he's played in

So he improved significantly in his second year as a 21 year old but 3 games into year 3, he's peaked? Ok.
 
Do any of you guys remember how agressive Ben used to be attacking the basket his rookie year. he used to attack so hard and try to dunk it with authority a little too much and he would end up missing so many dunks. Where did that Ben go
 
You don't think he improved form year one to 2?

Sure he improved his PPG from 8 to 12 PPG, increased his FG% by a few percentages...reason being is because he doubled his shot attempts. Point here is he is far from a finished product...I understand that, he is 22 years old. However, his IQ for the game is just not there and I don't need stats to tell me that. He does not pass the eye test, at least in my opinion. If he is going to succeed, it can be for another team as far as I'm concerned because I would not extend him when the time comes.
 
Do any of you guys remember how agressive Ben used to be attacking the basket his rookie year. he used to attack so hard and try to dunk it with authority a little too much and he would end up missing so many dunks. Where did that Ben go

The problem with that Ben is he was out of control way too much...drawing charges all the time and getting himself in trouble. He still has not adjusted to the speed of the game.
 
Sure he improved his PPG from 8 to 12 PPG, increased his FG% by a few percentages...reason being is because he doubled his shot attempts. Point here is he is far from a finished product...I understand that, he is 22 years old. However, his IQ for the game is just not there and I don't need stats to tell me that. He does not pass the eye test, at least in my opinion. If he is going to succeed, it can be for another team as far as I'm concerned because I would not extend him when the time comes.

His shooting jumped from 37-44% and you think that's because he shot more. Not sure you understand how shooting percentages work.

But I agree he still seems lost too often on the court.
 
Ben improved quite a bit from year 1 to 2....quite a bit. Ball handling alone.....remember it was 50/50 whether he could dribble the length of the court, unguarded, with a result of a dunk or dribbling off his knee.

I think the troubling part is the mental part of the game. There are the Isaiah Thomas' of the league who are so full of confidence that there is nothing that anyone can do to shake that confidence and then there are the Ben's of the league, who are trying to find their way and the confidence comes and goes way to easily.
 
Plenty of players struggle in the beginning of the season, look at Harden for example. I believe Ben struggled in the beginning of last season as well and then improved a bit after our first game vs OKC.
I just hope he does improve. I certainly do want to waste 20 games figuring out if hes a bust or not before we trade him. On the other hand though, I certainly do not want to see him go to another team and become an all-star ;)

Maybe try moving him to the bench and starting Marco? Could possibly help his game as well as BMAC.
 
Starting Friday vs the Rockets we have a 6 game home stand where I think we could come out 500 or above.

FRI vs Rockets
SAT vs Warriors
MON vs Spurs
WED vs Pistons
FRI vs Nets
SUN vs Raptors

If we can get a W vs Memphis or the Suns without DMC I think we will be all right.

Get rough start outta the way and come out at 500. All the while we will continue to build up chemistry.

Just really hope to god Cousins injury is not serious :(
 
Do any of you guys remember how agressive Ben used to be attacking the basket his rookie year. he used to attack so hard and try to dunk it with authority a little too much and he would end up missing so many dunks. Where did that Ben go

Yeah, someone probably "coached him" and told him that he needed to calm down...play more under control. Looking back, it may have been better to let him develop that aggressive driving to the basket, despite many mistakes. Not easy to find that optimal zone for many young players
 
Plenty of players struggle in the beginning of the season, look at Harden for example. I believe Ben struggled in the beginning of last season as well and then improved a bit after our first game vs OKC.
I just hope he does improve. I certainly do want to waste 20 games figuring out if hes a bust or not before we trade him. On the other hand though, I certainly do not want to see him go to another team and become an all-star ;)

Maybe try moving him to the bench and starting Marco? Could possibly help his game as well as BMAC.

My big concern with moving Marco off the bench is that he and Collison have some real chemistry and add firepower to the bench unit. Both of them are good spot-up shooters and can handle a little and create for each other. Ben is a pure spot-up shooter at this point in his career. That puts all of your eggs in the Collison basket for running the bench unit.

And that also means that you have to find looks for Marco with the starters. Ben is the odd man out in the offense right now, because the ball is being dominated by Rondo, Cousins and Gay. If you move Marco into the starting unit, he goes from getting 10-12 shots with the bench unit to five shots with the starters. No room to get into rhythm or create for teammates that way.

The starters just don't have a ton of chemistry yet, and Ben's play is a symptom of that. I think he will improve as the starting five starts clicking more.
 
My big concern with moving Marco off the bench is that he and Collison have some real chemistry and add firepower to the bench unit. Both of them are good spot-up shooters and can handle a little and create for each other. Ben is a pure spot-up shooter at this point in his career. That puts all of your eggs in the Collison basket for running the bench unit.

And that also means that you have to find looks for Marco with the starters. Ben is the odd man out in the offense right now, because the ball is being dominated by Rondo, Cousins and Gay. If you move Marco into the starting unit, he goes from getting 10-12 shots with the bench unit to five shots with the starters. No room to get into rhythm or create for teammates that way.

The starters just don't have a ton of chemistry yet, and Ben's play is a symptom of that. I think he will improve as the starting five starts clicking more.

That is a really good point, and with that being said I do believe Marco will find his shot sooner or later.

You have to become a bit worried about Ben though, if he cant become productive with one of the leagues best passers I feel like he is a lost cause. This next game vs Memphis is gonna be tough for him so hopefully he can surprise us all and have a nice game.
 
I like the way we came out and competed. From the very start we came out and took it to them. Now in the end they were able to catch us and do just enough to win, but I like the way we made them work for it. Clips are a legit finals contender. We had them in their Gym sweating it out to the end. That is pretty impressive in my book. NO moral victories, but not ashamed of our effort by a long shot.
 
My big concern with moving Marco off the bench is that he and Collison have some real chemistry and add firepower to the bench unit. Both of them are good spot-up shooters and can handle a little and create for each other. Ben is a pure spot-up shooter at this point in his career. That puts all of your eggs in the Collison basket for running the bench unit.

And that also means that you have to find looks for Marco with the starters. Ben is the odd man out in the offense right now, because the ball is being dominated by Rondo, Cousins and Gay. If you move Marco into the starting unit, he goes from getting 10-12 shots with the bench unit to five shots with the starters. No room to get into rhythm or create for teammates that way.

The starters just don't have a ton of chemistry yet, and Ben's play is a symptom of that. I think he will improve as the starting five starts clicking more.

I agree however Ben's defense has to improve dramatically. I saw JJ Reddick open far too many times. He needs to play better defense.
 
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