[Grades] Grades v. Cavs 3/16/11

So tonight's this is how you lose a game bonus baby was:

  • Cisco, who not only cannot rebound but stopped others from doing it too

    Votes: 6 23.1%
  • Dalembert, a classy guy who picked a helluva time to yap to a ref

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Cousins for getting another chance to be the man and coming up small

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Beno, for turning Sessions into A.I.

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Jason for more of his patented fumbleflip game

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Total voters
    26

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We do just find a way don't we?

So, I believe that makes it no less than 22 games this season that we have led in the 4th and gone on to lose -- a stat in which we lead the league by a mile. The good news is that no team in the league has come as close as we have as often as we have and still come up short. The bad news is that no team in the league has come as close as we have as often as we have and still come up short.

Theme: Okay, a gauntlet wsas thrown down regarding good trades we have made, and specifically whether I can come up with 11 of them, over 26 years. I think I can. To whit:

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Garcia ( C+ ) -- and that Cisco standard game continues to form up -- I tell you, if Casspi is 11pts 6reb as a starter on poor shooting, then Cisco is 13 and 4 or 14 and 3. In a way you could even call it consistency, albeit not terribly greatconsistency. Hit a three to cap an early run that put us up 10, and had an important 3 in the mid thrid as we were sputtering badly and down 7. Were the only two he hit though on a shaky shooting night. Since his return has developed some real chemsitry with Cousins, and understands the roleplayer thing. Cuts to the hoop looks for Cousins to hit him with the pass. Several times a game is leaking out on the break and Cousins tunrs and has been hitting him wiht some amazing fullcourt passes for layups. And probably what he should restrict himself to, as he basically missed everything else tonight. Again a major issue with him at SF is that he's not a SF -- he's a swingman at best, and really more of a SG, and rebounds like it. Tongiht he grabbed all of 2 rebounds in 31 minutes, and on one of the critical plays of our latest late 4th quarter screwup ran into Thornton while both were pursuing a reboudn at the 40 second mark -- should have easily been ours off the Cavs miss and would have left us up 2 with the ball and 40 seconds to go. Instead they bumped into each other, the ball fell to Harangody, and he was fouled to tie the game.
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an aging Mitch Richmond for Chris Webber -- like shooting fish in a barrel on this one. What sort of immature moron thinks its actually sport to shoot fish in a barrel I don't know. But there it is.

Cousins ( C ) -- a poor offensive game almost redeemed by the other aspects fo the game, but capped by late failures in the clutch that sealed the defeat. Just seemed to be a lack of focus. Did not get off to a good start, and if ever there has been a player who you could see getting sloppy mentally against a "lesser (they have all of 3 wins less than us) opponent, that would be DeMarcus no? The early malaise reached its peak when the Cavs inserted Luke bleeping Harangody and he got the better of it against DeMarcus, scoing over him repeatedly, while DeMarcus mostly forced junk on the other until realizing he could just back him down and power right over him. We pulled him soon thereafter, and he looked more settled when he came back. Dunk off a tip play late it the half, then followed that with a driving stumbling flip, and added a long jumper just before the break. Was really just about his only good offensive stretch of the game though, as for the other 45 minutes of the game he shot 2-16. 2-16 at 6'11". Er...ouch. On the other hand began to get the boarding game going, and byt the mid third was completely dominating the glass against the undersized Cavs frontline. But a lot of it was off of his own misses as he suddenly developed Thompson touch in there on a night when our crappy shooting was easily the difference inthe game (we shot 38%, they shot 51%). Late in the game came up with a brilliant one handed pass on the move over the top of the defense to a slashing Beno to put us up 2 at the 1:05 mark. It continued his run of CWebb like passing games, and in March Cousins is averaging over 4 ast/gm. So down the stretch we came with DeMarcus having a chance to carry us home and significantly raise this grade. And instead he came up small again as we went to him as outr goto guy. Got called for the offensive foul out of the timeout at he 34 second mark, and then when we got the ball back one last time he missed the heavily contested drive at the 5 second mark. On the positive side, I hope these late game failures have been humbling him a bit after the petualnce about Reke missing late game shots. Aren't any of these guys doing well enough in the clutch to consider themselves the answer to our problems sans teammates.
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Billy Owens (#2overall traded) for Mitch Richmond -- anybody got another barrel of fish? Yeehaw!!

Dalembert ( B ) -- after being denied a couple of times early moving without the ball, was the first (and as it turns out only) of our bigs to click it into geat with a blcoked shot and usign his length for a couple of early hoops. Had his own moments of shakiness, as when late in the first half got called for back to back turnovers to help the Cavs get back into it. And worse yet when with 3:30 to go in a tight game he picked up an ill timed tecnhical to give the Cavs a free point. Made up for that however when he made a string of clutch plays to put us in position to win it in the last coyuple of minutes. Came up with huge offensive reboudns and follow fiishes on back to back plays just before the two minute mark, and drew an offensive foul when he had Samuels all lined up for a block and the only way the Cavs could avoid it was to pull his arms down. Unfortunately was unable to get in front of Sessions as he repeatedly burned both Beno and Thornton down the stretch, and while he came up with more than his share of clutch plays, what we ended up needing on the night was a closer, and we could not find him.
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Corliss for Christie -- man, fish are having a bad day. Corliss was a solid player, but this trade brought us a captain for our defense right through our best years. Similar to what I think may potentially happen this summer with guys like Kirilenko and Prince available.

Thornton ( B- ) -- this was another of the score through persistence rather than score through brilliance games for Marcus. Had a couple of little mini spurts and some impressive plays, but never really generated any lasting momentum wiht hsi shooting. Got off to a shaky start before hitting a three that seemed to settle him. But the threes were part of why this was a less efficient game, as he was faced with a tough, if aging, defender in Anthony Parker (35 is the prime of life for the rest of the world, its decrepit in basketball) adn settled for far too many threes in response. Shooting double figure threes is rarely a good sign about somebody's game, and it showed up on the FT line, where Marcus did not even shoot one until the 4th quarter. Had some impressive flashes as always oinclduing a coupel fo strong post moves -- which could be such a key when Reke gets back BTW because with two 6'4/6'5" guards with post games, teams with small PGs are not going to have anyplace to hide them. After Cisco got the ball rolling in the third, Marcus drained back to back threes late in the third as we surged back to take the lead. Back into the game in the 4th and immediately drew a foul, his first of the game. Was stuggling to finsih late until he came up with a quick strong drive through contact for was +1 with 3:45 to go, that put us up 2. Wish we'd seen more of that. Did not contain Sessions on the Cavs possession at the 20 second mark, and watched him go around the screen for the go ahead layup. 23 more points as its hard to deny we have found a third scoring machine now. Not put up in his best or most efficient fashion, but pts is pts. Now with Reke returning can he dial it back without getting squirmy? Just a half notch. If he can, we could have one of the most potent trios in basketball in future years.
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JWill for Bibby -- I was a little sceptical of this trade when it happend. Was not ahuge fan of Bobby's game, and JWill was simply an amazing talent, at least in one aspect of the game. But it of course turned out to be the perfect stabilizing move for our best seasons, and in the declingin years that folowed Bibby flirted for a while with All Star status before beginning the fade.
 
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Udrih ( C ) -- setting people up early, and hit a three in the mid 2nd to get the lead stretched back out. The bigger story was his game long inability to stay in front of Sessions, which was considerably more severe than even the numbers say it was. It reached a fever pitch down the stretch, as it has several times in recent months, where teams simply run iso sets against Beno and hihg pick and rolls which seem to be a complete mystery to us, and jsut beat us over the head with them and score nearly every trip. Very not good. Had a chance to make all that a footnote when he came up with a big hoop at the 1:05 mark, cutting to the hoop and getting hit by a beautiful Cousins pass for the go ahead layup. But it was not to be, and more solid Beno offensive numbers got stained by his letting his man get even more solid ones, and break down our defense repeatedly to set up maybe the least talented group of teammates in the NBA. Beno's offense is solid enough to be that "other guard", or at the very least the third guard in a strong three man rotation. But the defense...just impede somebody damnit. Intensity on that end seems way off since Reke went down.
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Travis Mays for Spud Webb -- Mays would bomb out of the league within a couple of years, as much for attitude and unwilingess to learn the PG position as much as anything. Spud meanwhile would settle in and be a serviceable starter right through the heart of the Richmond years.

Bench

Thompson ( D ) -- in off the bench and immediately came up with one of those great hustle boards tipping and chaisng it all the way out to the corner. He wants it so bad, its just a crying shame he is borderline incompetent at times. Displayed his normal lack fo touch in th most frustrating of fashions, missing flips, follows, little jumpers -- no shot s too easy for him to find a way to miss it. At 6'11" to and reasonably athletic, half the time he is right there staring at the hoop only a foot or so above his head. Just no touch. And on a night when we had a big size advantage, and took 24 more shots than the opposition, all thos emissed tips hurt. Compounded things by generally getting outplayed by Luke bleeping Harangody, who may have had his career game agaisnt us. Of course.
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Randy Wittman & Lasalle Thompson for Wayman Tisdale -- now normally I would dislike this sort fo trade -- bigger and stronger for smaller and softer, adn Tank was still in his prime too at 27. But while Wayman was no great shakes, he went on to start forus for the next 5 years and provide a cosistent Landryesque post presense, and he was a good guy too. Meanwhile Tank became a third big for Indiana, and went into fairly rapid decline at age 30 into jsut a 2ppg bit player. We got what we nedded out of this trade, which was a replacement for Otis Thorpe after we idiotically gave him away to Houston.

Head ( INC ) -- appeared in the game, something happened to him, and was gone just as quick
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Joe Kleine and Ed Pinckney for Danny Ainge and Brad Lohaus -- here I am going to invoke a special Kings exemption. Traded Joe Kleine away was obviously no problem. Getting Brad Lohaus back was equally irrelevant. So at its base we had Ed Pinckney, who I liked and who would go on to some solid years as a hustling comobo forward in Boston, for Danny Ainge, who only lasted one season with the Kings. But in that one season Ainge was the Kings leading scorer, and the fact that we then dumped him after one year for nothing (the guy we traded him for got hurt and never played in another NBA game) is a testament to the normal incompetence of our front office, not the badness of the orignal trade.

Jeter (C- ) -- got an extended look in the first half, and a brief one after half, but our backups never gave us much of anything tonight, and other than a couple of solid passes Pooh gave us little.
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Hedo Turkoglu and Scot Pollard for Brad Miller -- perhaps not a slam dunk, but nonetheless Pollard's career was in steep decline with the back issues, and Hedo bounced around for years as a solid roleplaying part time starter/part time 6th man. Meanwhile Brad went on to become an All Star for us, however dubiously, and started for the next half decade continuing our tradition of passing big men. Had his rather stark limitations, but it was still a solid trade that patched a major positon for us for a log period of time.
 
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Casspi ( C- ) -- great hustle play in the mid 2nd ripping a steal awzy on a Cavs outlet and getting it inside for a finish by Jackson. And....did I mention he made a great hustle play in the second quarter? Led all our bench guys in minutes played, but was alrgely a forgotten man out there, took only 1 shot (which he hit) and not doing anything else in particular to announce his presence. It was less bad than simply invisible.
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Peja Stojakovic for Ron Artest -- Peja'ss days of being a star were over, and back issues have led him on a steady decline. He was also coming up as a free agent who we would have either had to hioopelessly overpay ala the Hornets, or let go for free. Ron Ron was not exactly smooth sailing, but he was a heck of a talent, helped us to one more playoff push, an actually unfortunately probably infalted our win totals for a few years before we finally moved him. In any case the move itself was solid.

Taylor ( C+ ) -- well, you have to give credit to Taylor for agression if not efficiency. Strong o-reb and follow layup in the early 2nd, and powered to the rim again in the early 4th. Fumbled a nice DeMarcus pass that would have been a dunk, but then won a top and drained a three to make it 5. Along the way however missed a bunch of other attemtps tryign to force the action and tip in balls, and took 9 shots in only 9 minutes, making only three of them. Still, liked the aggresion at least, and its just too bad Thronton's emergence has now meant that Taylor only gets the leftover minutes.
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Choose your aging former Kings star for younger more talented replacement trade -- and here I am talkign about whichever you woudl rather have -- Doug Christie for Cat Mobley, or Bobby Jackson and Tag for Bonzi Wells. Now neither guy stuck, and of course that revealed part of the financial motive to the moves -- we traded for enders and lost them. But neither Doug nor Bobby had much left, Tagand Doug retired within a year, and those were two talented vets we got back. Inf act really, Webber trade abomination aside, the talent we got back for our aging core int hat era was not the probelm -- we traded in declien vets like Pollard Doug, Bobby and Peja, along with Hedo, to get back Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Cuttino Mobley and Bonzi Wells. If you had not committed the Webber foulup, and retained those guys you are talking Brad Miller, Chris Webber (aging), Ron Artest, Bonzi Wells, Cuttino Mobley, Mike Bibby along with young Kevin Martin? That's 3 All Stars, 5 guys who have averaged 20 in their careers. The moves alone weren't the problem.

Jackson ( INC ) -- got into the game in the mid 2nd after JT came up limping,..and immediately came up with two strong finishes at the rim. Was the extent of his contributions, and as usual there was no boardwork, but on this night it was enough to make him the second highest scorer off of a punchless bench.
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Carl Landry for Marcus Thornton -- its early yet, but I am all ready to call this a big win. It doesn't take long ton see sometimes. I knew with Tyreke after 1 explosive game lighting up Deron in his first start after Kevin got hurt. I knew with Cousins after summer league. And Thronto -- this isn't a mirage. He's a big time scorer. And he's young. There is every reason to beleive we coudl have a core or Reke/Cousins/Thornton for forever basically. And all three guys are young 20ppg talents.
 
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Damn... I was going to put together a theme for you, but I decided not to do it tonight, because it didn't even occur to me that we would lose to the Cleveland F. Cavaliers.

So we'll get back to normal here and do a theme, Maybe something tsunami related if I can avoid making it seem callous, or something about good trades the Kings have made in honor of Marcus, or jsut something.

Eleven players got into the game tonight for Sacramento. I dare you to come up with eleven trades that the Kings got the better of.
 
Your poll just about sums it up. Losing Kings style is a team thing and they did it again as a team. The combination of their negative talents is really amazing to behold. Makes it hard to know who to shoot. Also impossible to make a rational decision in answer to your poll which I therefore didn't.
 
Went to the game tonight, it was actually a pretty good crowd (13k+) considering it was the Cavs (who didn't have Davis, Jamison or AV, btw). After the 1st half, I don't think the Cavs made ONE shot outside of 10+ feet in the 2nd half...AT ALL. It was ALL free throws and ALL layups. Sessions DESTROYED us, and Beno couldn't keep up with him at all. Because of that, they scored 48 points in the paint (46 for us) with.......no frontcourt depth at all. Layups, layups, layups.

There just no real hustle tonight. No one went for loose balls, and they were SO sloppy in the 2nd half. I could have counted 9-10 times when they had the rebound but simply lost it.

With all that said, the refs were TERRIBLE and the team played like ****, but it only costed me $20 bucks so **** it.
 
One play nobody is talking about is with like a min 20 seconds left Cisco chucked up a 3 with 17 seconds on the shot clock off a time out. It was Cisco's normal horrible shot selection trying to be a hero.

Also, the call on Cuz at the end was wrong. It should have been defensive foul because the defender had his hand on his back instead of the forearm.
 
By the way, JT was just AWFUL tonight. He couldn't make anything at all and couldn't stay with Hickson if his life depended on it.
 
I was just watching the game, and watching the games, and watching the game and finally at the 1:21 mark of the 4th quarter with the game tied, I thought to myself...."We could actually lose this game...."

I was still surprised when we lost, but no matter how good or bad a team is, any team can beat another team when you only have to outplay your opponent for 1 minute and 21 seconds.

There are so many "If's" that cost us this game, but at the end of the day, it's a loss. Hopefully the kids can recover from this loss.
 
I don't think Beno hurt us with his defense more so than Sessions hurt us with his offense. We tried Thornton on him a couple of times and Sessions still got a lay up - it wouldn't be fair to pin the blame on Beno. I'm more peeved that a 3rd year 6'10 player can't frikin put the ball in the basket 2 feet away from the rim.
 
One thing I've noticed is that all season long Kings have been terrible at defending the pick'n roll.
It's even more obvious since Tyreke is out.
In this game, it was painful to see how easily Sessions could drive to the basket with a simple screen.
I was also disappointed with Thornton's defense, as I think that he didn't fight very well through the screens.
 
One thing I've noticed is that all season long Kings have been terrible at defending the pick'n roll.
It's even more obvious since Tyreke is out.
In this game, it was painful to see how easily Sessions could drive to the basket with a simple screen.
I was also disappointed with Thornton's defense, as I think that he didn't fight very well through the screens.

Exactly. Sessions killed us because we left him with a wide open lane to the basket once he went around the screen. Beno isn't a very good defender, but you can't blame him entirely for getting beaten by a quicker opponent. The key is to protect the basket and rotate once Beno/Thornton gets beaten
 
Ummm, SAC went 38-100 (38%) from the field last night. Yes, they shot 100 times. Wow! I guess it was the 17 offensive rebounds.
Note: Thornton shot TWELVE 3's, da*n! We definitely got plenty of attempts last night; just weren't falling.
 
Damn... I was going to put together a theme for you, but I decided not to do it tonight, because it didn't even occur to me that we would lose to the Cleveland F. Cavaliers.



Eleven players got into the game tonight for Sacramento. I dare you to come up with eleven trades that the Kings got the better of.
I came up with 7 =/
 
Why we continue to give it to Cousins on the last play of the game is beyond me. He has absolutely blown it about 12 times this year. When is Westphal gonna learn that he just isn't ready for the clutch buckets right now? The ball needs to be in Thorton's hands for the last possession while Tyreke is out.
 
I can't begin to describe how depressing it was to watch this game since the tip. It didn't help the fact that Cleveland was hanging in hanging in the entire time and pretty much did a lay up drill throughout the game. I mean how demoralizing is it when you can't guard the worst team in the league with absolutely no good offensive players with the exception of maybe Daniel Gibson. I expected him to go off on us, not Ramon Sessions. With all that being said, I really believe those players out there do not, do not communicate on the defensive end enough. I see Thornton and Beno give the dribbler the right lane or left lane with no weak side help, why they just don't stay infront of their man is mind blowing to me. I thought the sole purpose for Dalembert was to rebound and let's see...block shots maybe? With all those lay ups you think he would be the enforcer and maybe just MAYBE attempt to play goal keeper because he's the only one we got. I would of rather saw a project like Whiteside go in there and pick up 3-4 quick fouls knowing the fact that he atleast tried to block the shot and give up no easy baskets. Anyways, I'm going to stop with my rant because this one is going to sting probably until we get the next win, whenever that may be.
 
I can't begin to describe how depressing it was to watch this game since the tip. It didn't help the fact that Cleveland was hanging in hanging in the entire time and pretty much did a lay up drill throughout the game. I mean how demoralizing is it when you can't guard the worst team in the league with absolutely no good offensive players with the exception of maybe Daniel Gibson. I expected him to go off on us, not Ramon Sessions. With all that being said, I really believe those players out there do not, do not communicate on the defensive end enough. I see Thornton and Beno give the dribbler the right lane or left lane with no weak side help, why they just don't stay infront of their man is mind blowing to me. I thought the sole purpose for Dalembert was to rebound and let's see...block shots maybe? With all those lay ups you think he would be the enforcer and maybe just MAYBE attempt to play goal keeper because he's the only one we got. I would of rather saw a project like Whiteside go in there and pick up 3-4 quick fouls knowing the fact that he atleast tried to block the shot and give up no easy baskets. Anyways, I'm going to stop with my rant because this one is going to sting probably until we get the next win, whenever that may be.

Worth noting that amongst the qualified peeps Dalembert is 8th in the league in blocks/48. He blocks shots at a faster pace than Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordan, Marcus Camby or Dwight Howard. But I would agree its not enguh by itself and that his presence is not used as much as it should be because guys don't funnel drivers toward him -- its just a free for all with people getting beating every which direction on the perimeter and opponents racing towar dthe hoop from all angles.
 
Something with our defense isnt working. The perimeter defenders are getting beat everytime the other team wants to attack the rim, and Dalembert usually isnt in the position to help .. and when he is, he isnt helping as much now as he was earlier in the season.

And im not attacking Dally at all .. it could be our messed up system that no one understands, or it could just be that we are a bad team not trying hard on defense because its not 'fun'... whatever it is hopefully it gets better under a better coach .. or the players try harder on defense next season with a clean slate .. whatever it is it needs to change soon.

And of course the team is better on defense with Reke in the game .. I've seen the stats, but its not ALL Evans .. other guys need to play defense to for us to win.

Did anyone else see Byron Scott's comments after the game? He came right out and said his goal was to put Cousins in as many pick and rolls as possible (because he cant.. or we cant defend it) .. when the worst team in the league can beat you with pick and roll after pick and roll .. we have a problem there. I watch Cousins, and besides being slow I think he defends it OK. Not great, but not terrible .. Its the perimeter defender who completely quits on the play after the pick is set and that leaves Cousins to guard two men ... ahh ..our defense is just a mess.
 
Cousins doesn't show on the guard long enough. It's like he knows what he is supposed to do but not why. He has huge holes in his game. I honestly find that exciting. Holes get plugged with motivation, work, and experience.

As to the use of Dalemebert, with time, a team figures it out, coach or not although I reall wish there was a better coach. I get the impression the team appreciates Dally but doesn't know how to funnel people to him. He can give hints.

Maybe another pre-season of practice with the same people would help.
 
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I didn't realize Thornton shot 12 threes. I knew it was a lot, but 12? Damn, fella. No gripe if they're falling, but when you're dry?
 
I shooter should shoot unless he is on the bench.

Okay Don Nelson. I'm not one for looking through a box score and castigating a player for taking a lot of outside shots. I'm just saying that 12 threes seems a bit much. I'm not dogging him for 22 shots. I'm saying that when 55% of your 22 shots are three pointers, and they're not falling, maybe look for a better shot.
 
Okay Don Nelson. I'm not one for looking through a box score and castigating a player for taking a lot of outside shots. I'm just saying that 12 threes seems a bit much. I'm not dogging him for 22 shots. I'm saying that when 55% of your 22 shots are three pointers, and they're not falling, maybe look for a better shot.

I understand and actually junked that wisdom awhile back. Shooters get hot. The next shot may start a string of makes. If what he is doing is wrong, the coach should sit him down.
 
Sucks so bad that Sac lost against the Cavs. The Cavs wanted the game more than the Kings. Sessions was big and virtually unstoppable. Terrible shooting night for Sacramento. 38%? What a long and disappointing season this has been. Bummer.
 
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