[Grades] Grades v. Cavaliers 1/2/2013

When Reke/MT get back minutes get tight, who will hurt us most by losing his minutes?

  • Cisco

    Votes: 10 23.8%
  • Johnson

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Brooks

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Fredette

    Votes: 17 40.5%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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The Boogie Monster is starting to really heat up now (16.5pts 12.5reb 5.8ast in 4 games since returning), and he has a Robin. Against the Cavs frontline its exactly what should have happened: 37pts 26rebs 8ast between them. And ballgame.

Highlights:

Boxscore

Stats: 32min 7pts (3-6, 1-4, 0-0) 3reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Salmons ( C ) -- not this time. For the entire game that 3 word phrase would have described this outing: not this time. Gee was just better than Salmons at pretty much everything, and John was mostly just a body thrown out there to eat some minutes. His only hit in the early going was a tough shot, i.e. one of those Salmons drives and pullups for a tough little jumper he should never have taken. He wasn't hitting his threes, although the mere threat he might do so got him subbed back in for Johnson at one point as Cuz needed somebody to be a real threat on the kick. And then, after 31 largely wasted minutes, Cuz DID find John on the kick to the corner for the three, and he drained it with 53 seconds to go to send us into the lead and break the Cavs' backs. So, quiet game, clutch three = this grade.

Stats: 36min 19pts (8-16, 3-4, 0-0) 10reb 2ast 0stl 3blk 1TO
Thompson ( B+ ) -- His game rarely wavers anymore. Some nice little scores in the early going hit a jumper, missed a one on one post move, got a garbage hoop, the normal. But not on the glass. Once Cousins went out became more effective banging inside and was useful in making sure we almost always had one big inside presence out there in this one. Provided Boogie support in the early 3rd as DeMarcus began working the Cavs over. Support boardwork, cleaning up Boogie misses. Hit a long jumper to start the 4th again and was able to battle and alter numerous shots from the Cavs' shaky frontline. Luke Walton eventually hit a three on him, but who cares, you want Luke shooting. Being solid is oh so valuable to this Kings team, but doesn't make for a lot of grades chatter. Just good/solid Grades grades.

Stats: 34min 18pts (7-17, 0-0, 4-4) 16reb 6ast 2stl 1blk 1TO
Cousins ( A- ) -- another very strong game for Cuz. In fact probably stronger than the numbers, and the numbers were big. Got off ot the fast start both on the boards and scoring, but again it might have been the composure and passing that was most impressive. Half the time when he went inside he was actually looking pass first and setting up people both inside and out. Its a huge huge thing when your stars do that. We saw Reke getting that before he left, now Cuz. If we could ever get the two of them together... Ran several good pick and pass plays with Cisco ala the old Webb/Brad Miller offense. Started to overwhelm Zeller as he went along, and then when the Cavs went to the bench and came up with Luke Walton it reached you have to be kidding level. Looked very good and comfortable out there, and when he returned later in the half he immediately resmed the strong play. Hit a jumper, grabbed a strong rebound and made a nice fullcourt pass to TRob leaking out for the layup. Started the third with a bang, hitting a jumper and simply dominating the glass, and still bieng active on defense. Maybe got the benefit of a close call on Walton trying to take a charge, and got the +1 out of it. Not sure how Bill will feel abou Cuz running over his kid next time we are blessed with his presence on a telecast. On the other end blatantly, and as it turns out correctly, refused to even guard Walton, giving him 8 feet of room and encouraging him to chuck up broken jumpers. When he returned to the game for the last time came in as a passer not a scorer, and immediately started setting people up again. Had several near misses, and settled for a jumper when you would have rather have seen him inside -- the shooting numbers are stubbornly low, and that is what I hung the "-" on in this grade, but they weren't bad shots. Just still has to get better at gathering himself inside rather than trying to quickly flip something in. Watch old Shaq videos or something...and I mean game videos, not Kazaam. Came up with the huge steal at a critical time with 3:00 to go, took it rumbling the other way...and damn near fumbled it away at the end. Got enormously lucky Cisco was there to pick it up and lay it in. He was not abel to finish those shots late, and hence as I said, the minus, but he still won the game for us as the passing came forth one more time, and with 50 secodns to go he rumbled across the lane and ratehr than try to flip up the tying shot, he turned it into a drive and dish to Salmosn spotted in the corner for the backbreaking three and a lead we never relinquished therafter. Is averaging 5.8assists/gm since coming back, which is the belated promise he showed the second half of his rookie year.

Stats: 34min 14pts (6-14, 2-6, 0-0) 6reb 2ast 2stl 2blk 0TO
Garcia ( B ) -- if last game Cisco was ineffective as could be, during this one he roleplayered up a storm. And really moreso, as he took an abnormally large number of shots, many of them set up by Cuz, both spotting up for threes, and cutting to the hoop as Cuz worked as high post passer. Defensively it was not an excellent outing as he could not control Miles in the early going, and later would have problems with Waiters, although both of those Cavs benefitted immensely from our small guards and got a lot of their production against Jimmer/Brooks. But if Cisco wasn't exactly locking people up, he was very active, got several of his help blocks including a big one in the late 4th, and was even a factor on the glass, which is so rare its almost a first. Was taking a lot of our shots late. Not exactly an ideal situation. Made some big help defensive plays, but missed most of those shots, and a missed open three off of good ball movment at the 1:15 mark could have sunk us . Made plenty fo contributions this time, but remained just Cisco.
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Stats: 19min 8pts (3-8, 0-2, 2-3) 1reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( C- ) -- got off to a poor start to this one, on the very first defensive possession, fouled Irving on the +1 play, and somehow missed several wide open looks he created for himself. He was quickly replaced by Brooks and never returned for the rest of the half. Got off to the much better start to the third, got an assist to Boogie, a 3pt play, and was playing solid defense on Irving. But his team play broke down as the quarter went along and he became increasingly 1 on 1 oriented. Irving began to wake up as well and force offense through him, and after some selfish play in the final minutes of the quarter and a lousy shot to close the quarter, was again repalced and never returned.
 
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Bench

Stats: 29min 13pts (6-10, 0-2, 1-2) 2reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Brooks ( B ) -- brought in, but was next to Jimmer and somebody had to guard the Cavs fullsized SGs, and was getting overpowered. Nonetheless was really phsyical and aggressive in the early second. Grabbed a couple of srong board,s was attacking inside with speed. He removed the stupid wild passes from his game this time, but offensively I can't say this was really any better than he has been, he just hit thoise tough shots. Took some bad ones, some selfish ones. but made them. Kept on slicing inside for unlikely long armed finsihes. But hey, it worked. And he might have sealed the game with another drive right with 18 seconds to go,. Well...almost. As he suddenly got a chance to nearly wear the goat horn after he got fouled in the intentional foul game wiht 2 seconds ot go, missed the secodn FT to leve us up only 3, and then had to hold his breath as Irving took the rebound and threw up a 3/4 court shot that was dead online and bounced off the front of the iron at the buzzer. That would have been a gut punch had that one fallen. In any case, it was a good game for Brooks without making me any more comfortable with the style in which it was played. But one way or the other, got it done.

Stats: 15min 6pts (1-5, 0-2, 4-5) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Fredette ( D ) -- in at SG where he was effective last game, but really not so at all this time. In the early going he got fouled on a three by Waiters in the final seconds of the first , and hti 2 of the 3 FTs (every missed FT is notable for Jimmer right now as he's over 90% on the season). But in general was pretty closely guarded during his minutes and rarely able to free himself up. Struggled in his second stint, as when he returned in the late third, Waiters took him right to the hoop to cut the lead to 3. Then started the 4th in rough fashion as well, attempting a terrible whirling armed reverse flip inside, and turning it over. Did finally make a contribution, draining two FTs in the final seconds as the Cavs started intentional fouling.

Stats: 16min 8pts (2-6, 0-0, 4-5) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Johnson ( C ) -- very aggressive atacking the rim against the smaller Cavs, not really efficient, but a real force in the early 2nd. Well a force offensively, because for some reason defensively he seemed to have a hard time against Gee, and it was one of his less effective defensive games. Even made the foul the 3pt shooter mistake on Waiters, who is shooting so poorly this season I hardly think you have to foul him to stop him. Let him shoot and prove it. Was just on the border of being out of control in the 4th, asd when he missed a long corner jumper, it was back to Sakmons

Stats: 17min 2pts (1-5, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( C- ) -- as much as we won this one with our inside play, it was all Boogie and JT. Against an oh so intimidating frontline of Tyler Zeller/Tristan Thompson/Luke Walton there wasn't much for a player of Chuck's ilk to do, and he did even less. Mostly working as a high post passer, or even perimeter passer, in the early going, and had a little effect with that. But never any effect defensively, and nobody to effect. Meanwhile had critical attacks of shortness both inside offensively and on the glass, and really we were just biding time with him while Boogie and JT were out.

Stats: 8min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Robinson ( D- ) -- cratering right now and really needs a reset. I think it would too damaging to the psyche, but Bajaden's D-League idea has some obvious appeal. Grabbed a d-reb, dribbled all the way up court, and then simply refused to pass it, absolutely intent on dirbbling around 1 on team and trying to do something on his own, and almost taking a turnover after 6 seconds of searching before Jimmer finally ran right into his chest to rescue him. A couple of boards and a leakout layup as Cousins threw it ahead to him in the open court, but looking shaky and made a lot of mistakes on defense, including several more of his old don't even put a handup variety. On one play the Cavs, Waiters I think? had a breakout, TRob is the only guy back, Waiters comes in from the left side, and TRob sees him and just goes running by him with his arms at his side. Didn't even challenge him. Acted like a PG who didn't think he could get up. Except TRob is a PF and he can. Not sure he fully realizes that. Anyway, bad outing again, and seems to be clearly fighting his role and his coach. Needs a reset or a breakout game. Something. Not helping at the moment.
 
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Lost in all the chaos of Boogiegate 2012 has been JT's development into our best roleplayer. His decision making has improved by leaps and bounds as has his defense and it's really starting to pay off. Will he ever be Tim Duncan? No. But that's what Demarcus is for.
 
When everyone is healthy, the Kings have the players to be an 8th seed playoff team, right now.

Tyreke
MT
Salmons
JT
Boogie

Tonight showed what the Frontline can do. If this team feeds Cuz and he throws them a bone occasionally, they are scary.
 
Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...:D

I think I made a mistake in my response to bajaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.
 
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When everyone is healthy, the Kings have the players to be an 8th seed playoff team, right now.

Tyreke
MT
Salmons
JT
Boogie

Tonight showed what the Frontline can do. If this team feeds Cuz and he throws them a bone occasionally, they are scary.

I think I still prefer MT off the bench (if on the team at all) with Garcia in his slot. Better spacing and ideally less trouble with ball sharing.
 
Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...:D

I think I made a mistake in my response to bahaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.

Yup. Missed a dunk, got called for 3 seconds, let a guy go right past him for a dunk, somehow tried bringing the ball up and dribbling it around and what not and almost turned it over if not for Jimmer. Gave up a few offensive boards to the Cavs as well. I love how anytime he gets a rebound Grant and Jerry say "Good quick reaction there by TRob". There goes a #5 pick.
 
Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...:D

I think I made a mistake in my response to bahaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.

I was seeing the same thing. Very disappointing.
 
The poll question could be wrong. Thornton could be the guy losing minutes when Thornton comes back. We'll have to see how it goes with Jimmer during Thornton's absence. He might end up earning a lot of Thornton's minutes.
 
Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...:D

I think I made a mistake in my response to bajaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.

Sounds like Whiteside another guy who thought he should have been #1 in the draft.
 
JT for the entire year gets an A-

The guy has been there for us and has been the only consistent person (mentally and physically) on the floor. Serious props to JT.

Like I said in an earlier post that I got reemed for, JT is a vet that we should keep on the team if we intend to clean house.
 
The poll question could be wrong. Thornton could be the guy losing minutes when Thornton comes back. We'll have to see how it goes with Jimmer during Thornton's absence. He might end up earning a lot of Thornton's minutes.

If this happens, Thornton could probably be moved fairly easily. I like him but I like how the team is playing without him. Bring Reke back and I think things could get very interesting, especially with the current attitude the team seems to be bringing to the court. I do not want to get my hopes up, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
I voted for IT. I think with Tyreke and Cousins having all the attention Jimmer is going to be more valuable spotting up and hitting shots. IT and Reke don't seem to work so good but Reke and Brooks seem to. That kind of locks in the rotation for me... but with Smart I wouldn't be surprised if he just split the minutes between Brooks/IT/Jimmer and they all suffered equally.
 
Is it crazy to anyone else we're only 4 1/2 games out of an 8 seed right now after everything that has happened this year?
 
Is it crazy to anyone else we're only 4 1/2 games out of an 8 seed right now after everything that has happened this year?

It is in a way. When you really think about it, we never had our key guys firing at the same time. Now if Cuz continues this form, Tyreke comes back in the sort of form he was in before the injury, JT continuing his consistently good form, Salmons continuing to play his role and with improving Jimmer and JJ this thing really could turn. That is not even counting on MT and IT.

We really need DMC and Reke firing at the same time to be any chance. JJ, if he can get a consistent spot up jumper and is willing to be a role player is pretty much what we are after at SF. Add another shot blocking, genuine big and really good things could start happening.
 
It is in a way. When you really think about it, we never had our key guys firing at the same time. Now if Cuz continues this form, Tyreke comes back in the sort of form he was in before the injury, JT continuing his consistently good form, Salmons continuing to play his role and with improving Jimmer and JJ this thing really could turn. That is not even counting on MT and IT.

We really need DMC and Reke firing at the same time to be any chance. JJ, if he can get a consistent spot up jumper and is willing to be a role player is pretty much what we are after at SF. Add another shot blocking, genuine big and really good things could start happening.

I still think we need to make a move. As much as I like some of our players we still lack a smart play maker. Cousins passing surge has really helped in this department but honestly we should have abused the Cavs down low much worse than we did. When we started to let the Cavs back in it we continually ignored our advantage in the paint when Cuz was on the floor. We need the guy who is smart enough to go right back to him every time until the opponent decides to do something about it, in that kind of situation of course.
 
I still think we need to make a move. As much as I like some of our players we still lack a smart play maker. Cousins passing surge has really helped in this department but honestly we should have abused the Cavs down low much worse than we did. When we started to let the Cavs back in it we continually ignored our advantage in the paint when Cuz was on the floor. We need the guy who is smart enough to go right back to him every time until the opponent decides to do something about it, in that kind of situation of course.
I am not against a move as long as the 3 players I would like us to keep are not involved but a lot of what you are saying is on a coach. When you have that big an advantage and the players are not recognising it, then it is coach's responsibility to make the players aware of it.
 
I am not against a move as long as the 3 players I would like us to keep are not involved but a lot of what you are saying is on a coach. When you have that big an advantage and the players are not recognising it, then it is coach's responsibility to make the players aware of it.

True. Which is exactly why we need a player who the coach doesn't have to tell that to.
 
The thing that IT does well is that he does get us into our sets faster than any of our other gaurds. At times he looks for his shot too much though. I don't really know what Smart should do once both Tyreke and Thornton are back. Is Tyreke your starting 2? I just have always liked Garcia as the solid defender, spot up 3 pt shooter, has always needed to be more consistent. Salmons has been playing too well lately, and is a good playmaker when the ball is swung to him. I don't see Smart benching both Brooks and IT and starting Tyreke at the 1. That leaves us in a bind because Garcia is only useful when Cousins and presumably Tyreke will be drawing so much attention that he will be the defacto spot up shooter in the corners. I can see IT being the odd man out, but he does seem to be the emotional leader (or at least one of them) of this team. I would like to see

pg: Tyreke
sg: Garcia
sf: Salmons
pf: JT
c: Cousins

but again there could be alot of issues team chemistry wise going with that lineup. Tough call for Smart in the coming week(s). A trade would make things easier.
 
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For some reason I just really like Thomas out there in particular with Cuz, I think he plays far better with Cousins than any of the other PG's/combo guards. The guys positive energy is only good for the team maybe when Reek comes back he can be more of a spot up shooter and still when he gets the chance push the pace and hopefully run in the full court with Evans.
 
T-rob seemed to get into coach smart at one point, there was an exchange at least.

interesting.

I think it's going to take him longer than we'd hope to realise he can't do the things he did in college anymore, he thinks he's Lebron out there.
 
T-rob seemed to get into coach smart at one point, there was an exchange at least.

interesting.

I think it's going to take him longer than we'd hope to realise he can't do the things he did in college anymore, he thinks he's Lebron out there.

Indefinite suspension and TRob comes back playing like an all star?
 
T-rob seemed to get into coach smart at one point, there was an exchange at least.

interesting.

I think it's going to take him longer than we'd hope to realise he can't do the things he did in college anymore, he thinks he's Lebron out there.

I think you're referring to when Smart yanked him from the game because of his poor D. The same thing happened two games ago: T-Rob made a terrible effort on a defensive play; Smart takes him out of the game; T-Rob yells at Smart. It's really ridiculous when you have a rookie engaging in this type of behavior. Smart is letting this go on for far too long. I'd rather yank the chain hard now than next year or the year after.
 
With respect to Tyreke, I just want him in shape as soon as possible. He's been out of action for quite a while now and he's not exactly a cardio superman, so hopefully he can get back to where he was cardio-wise in two to three weeks. I don't want him as a point guard. He's not good at it. He should stick to the 2.

I want IT at the point. He can play with any other guard the Kings have, including Tyreke. I don't buy in the least that he can't play with Tyreke. If he can play with Jimmer (and he can), he can play with Tyreke. The ball has been moving very well the last three or four games. Let's keep it that way.
 
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