[Grades] Grades v. Cavaliers 1/11/2015

[funkykingston]

I believe Malone and Pete probably just didn't get along. They both saw different things. I think they just couldn't work together. There's a lot of things us as fans, don't know. Malone could've stole Pete's lunch for all we know.

Until someone gives an actual answer that makes sense my gut feeling is simply that Malone waved away all of the "out of the box" ideas and analytic numbers that the front office and ownership sent his way and instead went with the things he thought worked best on the court In essence you had an old school basketball lifer and guys that viewed themselves as innovators and it was bound to generate friction.

 

[kingsboi]

is it safe to say that whatever team Kevin Love ends up on his team just does not become all that much better...empty stats at its finest. Reminds me of the Josh Smith and Carmelo affect.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

We're 14-13 when Cousins plays.

14-12*

2-9 without

= 16-21

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Corbin IS a decent coach. But not an upgrade. I haven't seen many claims otherwise.

But why make at best a lateral move with all the loss of effort and chemistry and momentum (oh, and games, lost a few of those as well) being a side product? I really can't figure it out. They could have installed Corbin in the offseason with a lot less extreme negative feedback from the fans.

As has been said, the only reason it would have needed to happen now was if the team had tuned Malone out, or they thought they needed to get Karl (or someone else) in immediately. Neither of those two things seem to be the case. From what I've read, the only coach they even talked to was Mark Jackson.

I think this was the plan all along. Lame duck coach, hope for individual improvement while keeping our draft pick. Expected dip as Cousins came back as the players went through the shock of a popular coach being fired.

Maybe I give them too much credit. If you discount the players as actual humans, it makes a sadistic sort of sense.

Now they are in earn the fans back mode. They never needed to lose them.

PDA immediately in the Carmichael Dave thing tried to spin complaints about the firing into an indictment of Corbin.

It's not.

I like his rotations, he's similarly hampered by a lack of talent off the bench, but he makes up for it by playing the starters more. Of course Boogie suddenly staying out of foul trouble makes better rotations a whole heck of a lot easier.

need we say more?

 

[mac]

Agree with the few comments about Ray. The guy doesn't run the offense at all and hardly sets anyone up. His contributions are basically not turning the ball over, hitting the occasional shot and playing occasional D. Then again, he is a 3rd string PG on a non-playoff team being forced into rotation minutes so i guess I can't really blame him... Can I?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I agree with what Chubbs and Funky said.

Corbin isn't an upgrade - certainly not defensively. His defense leaves a lot to be desired (in fact, his Jazz team was pretty bad defensively) - thankfully DMC keeps trying to hold teammates accountable. Thus far, his only true upgrade has been getting more minutes out of the starters, which, I give him credit for recognizing that the bench can't be left to fend for itself.

That said, I understand Corbin is in a no-win situation. He has to replace a popular coach (both by fans and players), and he has to install an offense that seems to be counterintuitive to what makes this team successful. (Notice a theme in the Kings' past two wins? Notice DMC calling out the defensive effort after every loss?)
I can't imagine what kind of conversations have happened after each win. Is the FO giving him an "atta boy!", or are they saying, "hey...what about running a bit more? I mean, we won, right? So let's [finger quotes] add on [/finger quotes] to what we're doing, Ty. OK?"

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Corbin gets a pass from me because of what the FO has done. If he can get the players from falling apart, then he should be commended and may be rewarded with a job somewhere else next year. I don't think it will be here - the FO has likely intimated as much.

they probably strapped corbin to a chair, taped his eyelids open and made him watch nellie ball for hours on end.

Corbin is in an impossible situation. he knows he's supposed to tank the rest of the season to ensure we keep our pick.

 

[Swaze]

they probably strapped corbin to a chair, taped his eyelids open and made him watch nellie ball for hours on end.

Corbin is in an impossible situation. he knows he's supposed to tank the rest of the season to ensure we keep our pick.

Why not just try to save your career and win games? If you know you are going to be replaced wouldn't it be in his best interest to try and win games (even if it pisses off the powers-at-be).

The whole situation is illogical from top to bottom.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Why not just try to save your career and win games? If you know you are going to be replaced wouldn't it be in his best interest to try and win games (even if it pisses off the powers-at-be [sic]).

No, it wouldn't, because a coach who openly defies management is not going to put himself in a better position to get another job, whether he wins games or not. What's in Corbin's best interests, going forward, is to show that he's a "team player," and that he's willing to run whatever his boss tells him to run.

 

[randymoss1881]

Calling malone to Corbin a lateral move is so insulting to malone that I wonder if some of you guys know just much he impacted the team.

 

[Swaze]

No, it wouldn't, because a coach who openly defies management is not going to put himself in a better position to get another job, whether he wins games or not. What's in Corbin's best interests, going forward, is to show that he's a "team player," and that he's willing to run whatever his boss tells him to run.

Malone did just that and based on the way things are going it may in fact help him.

Corbin will get fired at the end of the year after losing a bunch of games and players around the league will know that he is a front office puppet. Yeah I'm sure that's going to work out great for him going forward.....

You may be right too, so really what it all means is that Corbin is screwed in the future.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Uh, no. It's unlikely to help Malone, except in the sense that any head coaching job he gets that not the Knicks or the gd lakers is likely to be a step up from this one. And, like all of the other recent former Kings head coaches not named Rick Adelman, there's a greater than zero percent chance that his next job is not a head coaching job which, unless he became the heir apparent in Cleveland, is probably playing fast and loose with the notion of "help."

 

[Bricklayer]

Uh, no. It's unlikely to help Malone, except in the sense that any head coaching job he gets that not the Knicks or the gd lakers is likely to be a step up from this one. And, like all of the other recent former Kings head coaches not named Rick Adelman, there's a greater than zero percent chance that his next job is not a head coaching job which, unless he became the heir apparent in Cleveland, is probably playing fast and loose with the notion of "help."

I would have to say that the huge stink over Malone's firing could well mean a return tot he head coaching ranks as early as next year. Everybody was pretty impressed, except the people who made the move. Also the only way he can afford to give up his lingering HC salary is with another HC job. Either that or an NBA lifer has to sit around for a year and a half out of the league, which I doubt is in his blood. Decades from now PDA is going to be some obscure little footnote somewhere while I suspect Malone will still be coaching in the league in some capacity. Just what he is.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

FWIW, I don't disagree with the premise of Malone getting another job. In fact, I tend to expect that he will have a head coaching job next season. I was challenging the notion that openly defying your boss is a good career move.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

Calling malone to Corbin a lateral move is so insulting to malone that I wonder if some of you guys know just much he impacted the team.

I'm assuming you're not talking about me. I thought Malone was a very good coach, the best since Adelman, and I don't think Malone to Corbin is a lateral move. My point was that maybe Corbin as a coach isn't the absolute end of the world.

 

[whozit]

I would have to say that the huge stink over Malone's firing could well mean a return tot he head coaching ranks as early as next year. Everybody was pretty impressed, except the people who made the move. Also the only way he can afford to give up his lingering HC salary is with another HC job. Either that or an NBA lifer has to sit around for a year and a half out of the league, which I doubt is in his blood. Decades from now PDA is going to be some obscure little footnote somewhere while I suspect Malone will still be coaching in the league in some capacity. Just what he is.

I'm curious, why would he have to give up his salary if he takes another HC job? He was fired. It's not like they moved him to a "different" position. Is there something in the pros that say a coach that has been fired can't take another job without giving up what's owed?

 

[VF21]

I'm curious, why would he have to give up his salary if he takes another HC job? He was fired. It's not like they moved him to a "different" position. Is there something in the pros that say a coach that has been fired can't take another job without giving up what's owed?

I believe his remaining salary is a lot like unemployment. If he gets a new job in the same category as his old job, he ceases to be eligible to receive the pay from the previous job.

 

[Spike]

I believe his remaining salary is a lot like unemployment. If he gets a new job in the same category as his old job, he ceases to be eligible to receive the pay from the previous job.

That's not how it works in college football, but I'll admit I don't know NBA rules. Maybe it's different if you resign from a position vs. being terminated.

 

[bajaden]

I believe his remaining salary is a lot like unemployment. If he gets a new job in the same category as his old job, he ceases to be eligible to receive the pay from the previous job.

I believe your right. Essentially, he's still under contract to the Kings. The Kings by firing him, violated or ended their part of the contract as far as his coaching the team, but Malone is still entitled to his half of the aggreement since he's still willing to coach for the length of the contract. Therefore he's still being paid. But if he signs a contract with another team, then he's ending his half of the agreement and at that point I believe the Kings wouldn't owe him anymore money. Of course contracts can be written in many ways to include many things, so can't say for sure.

 

[Bricklayer]

I believe your right. Essentially, he's still under contract to the Kings. The Kings by firing him, violated or ended their part of the contract as far as his coaching the team, but Malone is still entitled to his half of the aggreement since he's still willing to coach for the length of the contract. Therefore he's still being paid. But if he signs a contract with another team, then he's ending his half of the agreement and at that point I believe the Kings wouldn't owe him anymore money. Of course contracts can be written in many ways to include many things, so can't say for sure.

Yep, that's the normal deal. Malone is willing to coach, so the Kings have to keep on paying him as long as he's willing to coach even if they don't want him to. When he accepts a new position that would make it impossible to coach, then he's breached his end, and the Kings' obligation ends.

 

[VF21]

That's not how it works in college football, but I'll admit I don't know NBA rules. Maybe it's different if you resign from a position vs. being terminated.

I'm very sure it is.