[Grades] Grades v. Blazers 04/15/12

[Kings Faithful]

My point was if you're going to try to refute something don't talk out both sides of your mouth, and don't tell people they only make assertions and then provide no statistical reasons for your argument other than "you just dont get the difference between good and bad ball dominant so you shouldn't have a stake in this debate"

But to the point, am I understanding that in your mind the Kings are better suited with IT being ball dominant on this team and taking lots of shots with Evans as a role player than they are with Evans being ball dominant and taking lot's of shots with IT as a role player?

Yes, I think IT is a better point guard than Tyreke Evans. I've moved from the "Evans style of play can work at PG" camp to the "we need a playmaker at PG" camp. Evans is a better over all player but has not been good at the SG or SF spots. If Evans improved his playmaking ability and floor vision he would be my choice at the PG spot 100/100 times. But the fact remains that after 3 years he hasn't done so. Many are blaming it on the possibility that its the coaching and it very well could be, i just don't know.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Whoops, ok. I'm done.

Go Kings!

 

[Padrino]

I responded to Padrino. He really has no case. He makes assumptions and asserts them as truths. Like saying IT is too ball dominant for the good of others. That doesn't hold up when actually looking at the team play. There's ball dominant in a bad way and ball dominant in a running the team way. If you can't tell the difference then don't comment on it. A lot of people don't understand the PG position. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Just don't join a conversation you don't belong in. It's annoying. Just like this blame everything on IT horse****.

Complain about the Maloofs. Complain that Petrie can't assemble a sensible roster. Complain about cheaping out on coach hires. But non-stop bitching about IT? Please.

again, there is just an overly dramatic conflation of competing ideas here. i do not believe that IT is "ball dominant," and at no point have i ever said that he was ball dominant. however, i have continually made claims that elevating thomas' role in the offense is detrimental to the growth of the team. cousins and evans are the future of this franchise until they depart in free agency or are traded. the kings have very little time to make the decision on whether or not to commit to one or both of them via contract extensions, and not designing a style of play that maximizes their talent is utterly useless with respect to the big picture. its not about how many shots each player gets. that's a horribly simplified view of an offense's success. its about playing to your best players' strengths. to say a case can't be made for that viewpoint is biased at best, and ignorant of basketball reality at worst. you have to develop your young talents quickly, or watch them develop somewhere else. gerald wallace should be all the evidence a kings fan needs of this fact. isaiah thomas isn't going anywhere. his utility is clear. you don't break the bank for that kinda player, and therefore you encounter less pressure with respect to how that player fits into your future plans as a team. this thomas for ROY nonsense is then small picture stuff. actually, its absolute fantasy, and the team's play of late has revolved around that fantasy as if it's going anywhere of worth. its not. the kings' w/l record since the all star break is evidence of that. you're free to disagree with me on that point, but regardless, i do not "blame everything on IT." he is incidental to a much larger problem, as i've stated numerous times. and i am very aware of what the point guard position is supposed to entail, as if that textbook definition is of any use from within the evolution of the modern nba. so, feel free to take your condescension elsewhere. its unflattering...

 

[Kings Faithful]

I can't wait for the Lottery, Draft, and Next year.... This season has really been a drag.

 

[Kings Faithful]

That was a nice pass by Honeycutt.... He should be getting all of Garcia's minutes at this point.

 

[ParniValjak]

I can't wait for the Lottery, Draft, and Next year.... This season has really been a drag.

Imagine if it was the regular 82 game season!

One of the most disappointing seasons as a Kings fan and our owners reckon that we have a great coach and a great product on the floor!

Flogs!

 

[pshn80]

We're a worse team with IT at the point, surrounded by more talent, then with Reke at point surrounded with less talent, under Westy. Doing something repeatedly which makes us worse, is not a big deal? Maybe to you.

I'd love for someone to start a well thought out thread and enlighten all of us as to how we're better with IT at point.

On this thread I have argued that some seem ridiculous because they seem so upset by our lobbying for IT and ROY. I have expressed myself and most of the big offenders didn't seem too impressed by these argunents.

I have read a lot of these posts but not more than skimming Padrino's ........ why, because is too long winded for my present eyesight. I'd love to know what he said but it was too hard. Sorry. He needs to be more concise for me.

To your point in your post above. We are not a very good team. IT does well but he does not make us a good team. Tyreke did not make us a good team. He was great at driving to the basket but ......... you know what all the criticism were at the time. In his last games as PG, in that last batch I saw two, the only two at that time, and he was deadly bad as a PG. He made some points, he made some assists, he got his rebounds, he sometimes played excellent defense, BUT he was deadly awful in distributing the ball, offense was dead, noboody moved and you know why, we lost badly both times. It was not all Evans fault but he was not helping at all and not performing as a PG. That was not an isolated case. Since then I have seen him do the PG thing and if a drive was not available he was lost.

IT is a better PG. But try whatever you like to make the team better. What we have now is not working very well. So root for IT for ROY.