Grade the Kings Draft

[Dime Dropper]

Lets ignore the trade. How do you feel Geoff did picking in the draft? I'm pretty happy with the selections. I like Jimmer, he can help right away and spread the floor. He fits nicely in with the guards we have, too.

I really like the Honeycutt pick. Very good athlete with a lot of defensive potential. Blocks a lot of shots for a wing. Needs to get stronger but very good value pick.

Ditto with Thomas. He's small, but he's talented and has a chance to stick. That's all you can ask for at that spot. He could be a spark off the bench down the line.

Overall, I give this draft a B+.

 

[ParniValjak]

I don't mind it. Jimmer is a great shooter but there are question how he will adapt to the NBA game but at worst, with that sort of shot, you have a role player who will play in the league for a long time. Whether he is a Mike Bibby / Steph Curry or a Kyle Korver / Eddie House type remains to be seen.

Honeycutt is value for the pick. If he works out great but he does have some genuine tools to work with.

Thomas is a gamble that probably won't make the roster but really we can't expect much with the last pick of the draft.

I think for 2 years in a row we get a slider with our 2nd rounder.

 

[Sac.1989]

The trade is apart of the draft. It will be hard for fans to forget we gave up what potentially became knight to bring in salmons and jimmer thats a simple fact. Did we want him in anycase is what the fans should be asking themselves? GP wouldnt trade down if our target wasnt there

 

[UK_King]

Happy with it.

I like Jimmer; Honeycut's got some raw talent, Thomas - We'll see but a nice pick up in that spot.

 

[mac]

Given our draft positions I think we more or less picked about as well as we could. I'm giving it an A- instead of an A/A+ just because some may argue that getting Kemba or Knight would have been better than Jimmer. I don't think there's any discontent with Honeycutt at 35 and Thomas at 60.

I personally wanted Jimmer, and apparently so did the Kings FO. That combined with us getting Honeycutt and Thomas late in the draft is good enough for me to grade the draft an A-.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

At #10, we got the player I would have taken.

At #35, we got the player I would have taken, and I would have been taking him in the 20s.

At #60, we got the player I thought we were targeting at #35.

The only possible complaint is that by moving from #7 to #10 we lost a chance at Knight. But it doesn't sound like we were that high on Knight anyway. I guess time will tell on the talent side of the ball. What I do know is that we got an A+ for marketing.

 

[itzcoatl]

I hate the outcome of our draft for the simple fact that I wanted Knight, we had the opportunity to get Knight, and we messed it up, IMO.

What bugs me about the Salmons trade is that we've been saving up capspace and we just ended up with the same player that we had before we started saving our capspace. Also, we've been through a Salmons era before, and I'm not excited about reliving it.

I like Jimmer, but I don't think he is going to be immediately better than Beno. In the short term, we've taken a step back at the PG spot.

I like Honeycutt, and we got great value there.

I don't know much about Thomas.

edit: I know that we still have lots of caproom left, but I'm not happy about the extra year on Salmons contract (whereas Beno's was shorter).

 

[Vlade4GM]

You can't just ignore the trade, because there are players they missed out on by trading down.

Trade down - F (We got absolutely nothing positive out of it. It would've been better if we had just gotten Fedette at 7 and did nothing else. Plus, we missed out on Walker by trading down.)

Taking Fredette at 10 - B- (It should be an even lower grade if they took him just because that's who the Maloofs wanted)

Taking Honeycutt - B (I didn't like Honeycutt in the first round, but he's pretty solid talent for the 2nd.)

Overall, they get maybe a C-

 

[fnordius]

Lets ignore the trade.

Sorry. I tried, but I couldn't.

 

[cuad]

A+ for jimmer and honeycutt (who will replace garcia one day)--trade included.

A++ for stealing Thomas at #60. bye bye pooh

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I thought we did really well. I think this is the end of garcia as backup guard. I love his veteran leadership but not at his price tag.

 

[ParniValjak]

You can't just ignore the trade, because there are players they missed out on by trading down.

Trade down - F (We got absolutely nothing positive out of it. It would've been better if we had just gotten Fedette at 7 and did nothing else. Plus, we missed out on Walker by trading down.)

Taking Fredette at 10 - B- (It should be an even lower grade if they took him just because that's who the Maloofs wanted)

Taking Honeycutt - B (I didn't like Honeycutt in the first round, but he's pretty solid talent for the 2nd.)

Overall, they get maybe a C-

No YOU think we missed out on Walker. Jimmer was obviously our guy for a week leading to the draft. Every report had us linked to Jimmer but people still were pushing their own agenda.

Whether you think Jimmer is the right player or not is different to whether we genuinely missed out on someone by trading down. By all reports, our guy was Jimmer and has been since the workout with us.

 

[bajaden]

At #10, we got the player I would have taken.

At #35, we got the player I would have taken, and I would have been taking him in the 20s.

At #60, we got the player I thought we were targeting at #35.

The only possible complaint is that by moving from #7 to #10 we lost a chance at Knight. But it doesn't sound like we were that high on Knight anyway. I guess time will tell on the talent side of the ball. What I do know is that we got an A+ for marketing.

I guess great minds just think alike. Now I don't have to write my post...

 

[mac]

I guess great minds just think alike. Now I don't have to write my post...

Hey he essentially said what I said!

 

[Dime Dropper]

The trade can easily be ignored in this scenario. It's pretty simple, you judge our draft based on who was available at our respective picks. I don't see how anyone could give it a D or F unless you really don't like Jimmer, but I don't think we have too many of those around. I think we came out of it looking good.


There was a rumour before the draft that the Mavs would select Thomas at 26 incase Barea leaves. Obviously that didn't happen, but I think he's a great selection for the last pick in the draft. He's small but he's not Nate/Barea small.


Another thing I like is that all three guys are high character and hard working. They seem like good guys so hopefully that will add to our chemistry and the hard work can rub off on some of our other young guys. We need this team to get along and have fun for them to be successful. Adding three players who are easy to get along with and work hard should benefit the team both on and off the court.

 

[Warhawk]

The trade can easily be ignored in this scenario. It's pretty simple, you judge our draft based on who was available at our respective picks. I don't see how anyone could give it a D or F unless you really don't like Jimmer, but I don't think we have too many of those around. I think we came out of it looking good.


There was a rumour before the draft that the Mavs would select Thomas at 26 incase Barea leaves. Obviously that didn't happen, but I think he's a great selection for the last pick in the draft. He's small but he's not Nate/Barea small.


Another thing I like is that all three guys are high character and hard working. They seem like good guys so hopefully that will add to our chemistry and the hard work can rub off on some of our other young guys. We need this team to get along and have fun for them to be successful. Adding three players who are easy to get along with and work hard should benefit the team both on and off the court.

Agreed. I like our picks - should be good both on the court and off.

 

[Vlade4GM]

No YOU think we missed out on Walker. Jimmer was obviously our guy for a week leading to the draft. Every report had us linked to Jimmer but people still were pushing their own agenda.

Whether you think Jimmer is the right player or not is different to whether we genuinely missed out on someone by trading down. By all reports, our guy was Jimmer and has been since the workout with us.

I don't care what your standards are, I care what my standards and I'll grade the draft by mine. If you don't like that then you can go pound sand.

 

[Warhawk]

I don't care what your standards are, I care what my standards and I'll grade the draft by mine. If you don't like that then you can go pound sand.

Has nothing to do with standards, but it has everything to do with attitude. You didn't like the draft choice because we "missed" on someone that we disn't want to begin with? Seems pretty pointless to get so upset about.... We got a great player the scouting staff liked a lot more. Deal with it.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Has nothing to do with standards, but it has everything to do with attitude. You didn't like the draft choice because we "missed" on someone that we disn't want to begin with? Seems pretty pointless to get so upset about.... We got a great player the scouting staff liked a lot more. Deal with it.

Who says I'm upset?

The only reason I'm calling it "missing" on Walker is because he technically was not at their pick, so if you'd prefer to think that I'm criticizing them for not taking Walker, then lets go with that, it makes no difference to me. Besides, you don't know who they didn't want, so I don't accept that that is a viable card to play, even if I cared to give it any value.

 

[Warhawk]

Who says I'm upset?

The only reason I'm calling it "missing" on Walker is because he technically was not at their pick, so if you'd prefer to think that I'm criticizing them for not taking Walker, then lets go with that, it makes no difference to me. Besides, you don't know who they didn't want, so I don't accept that that is a viable card to play, even if I cared to give it any value.

I have yet to see any quote saying they had others at the top of their list. Jimmer was their #1 since the workout.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I have yet to see any quote saying they had others at the top of their list. Jimmer was their #1 since the workout.

Why would they say otherwise even if Fredette wasn't their #1? No one comes out of the draft saying they didn't get what they wanted all along. It's called PR.

 

[Warhawk]

Why would they say otherwise even if Fredette wasn't their #1? No one comes out of the draft saying they didn't get what they wanted all along. It's called PR.

And if they didn't get Jimmer for whatever reason then where does that PR get you?

Point is, they wanted Jimmer the whole time and they got him. May not make you happy, but they are ecstatic.

 

[Lafayette]

I think the draft went perfect for the Kings. As a fan I wanted JIMMER and TYLER and to get THOMAS, you have to love it. There's nothing wrong with Salmons, I think he'll play his role just fine. I think GP is still going to make deals and possibly try to get GASOL if Dalembert leaves and there's always WHITESIDE for this Defense, Blocks and Boards.

 

[Vlade4GM]

And if they didn't get Jimmer for whatever reason then where does that PR get you?

Point is, they wanted Jimmer the whole time and they got him. May not make you happy, but they are ecstatic.

I'm talking about the PR post-draft, there's no PR pre-draft. I don't know what you're talking about, if you're trying to claim that rumors are facts, then you're seriously mistaken.

I really don't care if they're ecstatic, it makes no difference to me.

 

[Warhawk]

I'm talking about the PR post-draft, there's no PR pre-draft. I don't know what you're talking about, if you're trying to claim that rumors are facts, then you're seriously mistaken.

I really don't care if they're ecstatic, it makes no difference to me.

Oh, there is definitely pre-draft PR. Which players you like, which you don't. All along Jimmer was the guy they were shooting for. Just because some pre-draft mocks had Knight and/or Walker going higher doesn't mean the GMs (you know, the guys that actually make the picks) felt the same way about it.

I know for a fact that Jimmer was higher on their list than both Knight and Walker. You can choose to believe me or not. Doesn't matter to me in the least. But the Kings wanted Jimmer and they got their man. I like Jimmer and hope they made the right choice. Time will tell.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Who says I'm upset?

The only reason I'm calling it "missing" on Walker is because he technically was not at their pick, so if you'd prefer to think that I'm criticizing them for not taking Walker, then lets go with that, it makes no difference to me. Besides, you don't know who they didn't want, so I don't accept that that is a viable card to play, even if I cared to give it any value.

You didn't work the guys out. So your opinion is basically that. You obviously think you are a better scout than Petrie. Why aren't you running an NBA team then?

 

[JB_kings]

I think the Kings should get an A for the draft. Every time it was their turn to pick, they chose a player! Now if you want final grades on how well they will do for the team, maybe check back in a few years.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Oh, there is definitely pre-draft PR. Which players you like, which you don't. All along Jimmer was the guy they were shooting for. Just because some pre-draft mocks had Knight and/or Walker going higher doesn't mean the GMs (you know, the guys that actually make the picks) felt the same way about it.

I know for a fact that Jimmer was higher on their list than both Knight and Walker. You can choose to believe me or not. Doesn't matter to me in the least. But the Kings wanted Jimmer and they got their man. I like Jimmer and hope they made the right choice. Time will tell.

I meant as far as selling specific players as being at the "top of their list."

I'm not going off of mock drafts for anything, thanks for the condescension though. I'm saying there is no way to know who liked who the most behind closed doors. Sure, you can get an idea before the draft who they like, but something as specific as who they liked the most out of a particular group (assuming they were even all together on it), is probably unknowable for anyone who isn't in the inner-circle.

Thanks for letting me have the choice to not believe you.

I think we all hope they made the right choice.

 

[Kingster]

And if they didn't get Jimmer for whatever reason then where does that PR get you?

Point is, they wanted Jimmer the whole time and they got him. May not make you happy, but they are ecstatic.

Is this subject about whether the Kings org is happy with this draft or whether we are happy with it?

 

[Vlade4GM]

You didn't work the guys out. So your opinion is basically that. You obviously think you are a better scout than Petrie. Why aren't you running an NBA team then?

My opinion is an opinion? Thanks for that, I never would have known otherwise.

Ah, appeal to authority, my favorite logical fallacy. I better not catch you ever disagreeing with anything the Kings do if that's your true feelings on the matter. In fact, I better not catch you ever disagreeing with any professional basketball organization, since they're all obviously more qualified than you are.