Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Heh -- even though I am hopeful about our picks, there is some truth in that observation. No matter the draft we still try to construct our treams out of 100% SGs and SFs.
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Heh -- even though I am hopeful about our picks, there is some truth in that observation. No matter the draft we still try to construct our treams out of 100% SGs and SFs.
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AriesMar27
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we wouldnt have had to trade martin to get the wizards pick... rubio is more than likely going back to europe because he was picked by the twolves and not the kings or thunder... but we didnt and now lets just hope that evans becomes a good player. i dont think that he will be a pg but who knows. he might become our 6th man in a ben gordon kinda way which isnt that bad but its not as good a potential superstar pg like rubio. we really needed a pass first pg. the minute we got sergio i kinda knew that we wouldnt be getting rubio but i still wanted to believe that we would. but when okc picked harden i was so estatic that rubio was still there and i was heart broken when we picked evans. since when was picking the safe pick the best pick? i cant think of a single safe pick that became the best pick for a team. thompson was a safe pick but we were picking later in the lottery. marvin williams was supposed to be the safe pick and the hawks passed on chris paul after passing on brandon roy for another safe pick in shelden williams. are we now the hawks of the western conf? the team that passed on the franchise player that we needed to put butts in the seats at arco? i like our team but i hate that pick, not the player but the pick for this team when the player that we needed was available and we passed on him. lets just hope that petrie isnt done for the summer.....
Aenadin
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if we draft at the top 4 i dont expect a perrenial sixth man i expect a star.. and evans better be one! or hell try to be one... i really think that the reason why we didnt pick rubio is cause of the uncertainty that he might not be around for a while with his buy out and stuff... but im not closing doors that he isnt welcome here either...
ParniValjak
All-Star
Stromile Swift says hi!if we draft at the top 4 i dont expect a perrenial sixth man i expect a star.. and evans better be one! or hell try to be one... i really think that the reason why we didnt pick rubio is cause of the uncertainty that he might not be around for a while with his buy out and stuff... but im not closing doors that he isnt welcome here either...
The number is irrelevant its the quality of the draft that matters.
Aenadin
Starter
not saying numbers are relevant to star power... i guess ill just trust petrie again on this one.
is evans athletic enough? is he explosive?
fxhsurjono
G-League
B+
ok first things first, i was too dissapointed when rubio's name wasn't called with the 4th pick. BUT i was also satisfied with evans. evans will be great and he had the best workouts in the draft. evans has a low bust possibility, while rubio can be the next darko. but then again we got rodriguez which covers our behinds in the pg spot. i didnt like the casspi pick, but loved the brockman pick. i really belive jt, spencer and brockman can be our 3 man rotation he compliments jt and spencer, sturdy pf with low center of gravity, a bruiser and a rebounder. brings toughness. he compliments jt and spencer because theyr both considered "finesse" players. lets just hope casspi proves me wrong.
i dont understand why we had to take mills!? we just got spanish chocolate, why draft ANOTHER PG! when we already have evans, beno, (mayb) bjaxx and rodriguez?!?!?!? huh!? i really belive brockman was a quality pick. evans is a big point guard, humongus size, a "dribble drive" point. i think he can succede. and i have faith in petrie, he he says he's our guy then he is "our guy". i know we wont be in the playoffs, but i hope for the best.
ok first things first, i was too dissapointed when rubio's name wasn't called with the 4th pick. BUT i was also satisfied with evans. evans will be great and he had the best workouts in the draft. evans has a low bust possibility, while rubio can be the next darko. but then again we got rodriguez which covers our behinds in the pg spot. i didnt like the casspi pick, but loved the brockman pick. i really belive jt, spencer and brockman can be our 3 man rotation he compliments jt and spencer, sturdy pf with low center of gravity, a bruiser and a rebounder. brings toughness. he compliments jt and spencer because theyr both considered "finesse" players. lets just hope casspi proves me wrong.
i dont understand why we had to take mills!? we just got spanish chocolate, why draft ANOTHER PG! when we already have evans, beno, (mayb) bjaxx and rodriguez?!?!?!? huh!? i really belive brockman was a quality pick. evans is a big point guard, humongus size, a "dribble drive" point. i think he can succede. and i have faith in petrie, he he says he's our guy then he is "our guy". i know we wont be in the playoffs, but i hope for the best.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Is Rubio athletic enough? Is he explosive?!
C'mon this draft was a crapshoot. Even the first pick is no certainty. What we did was take what we thought was the best player at out pick.....the one that we thought has the highest ceiling.
Can't be too peeved off with that. I would have loved Rubio but if Petrie says Evans then I am happy with that. His drafting record is very good.
Jespher
Starter
Who will play back-up center for the Kings? Thompson? They need to bring someone in with some length. I was disappointed that they didn't like BJ Mullens with the 23rd pick, as he could bring some length to the front line.
Brockman sounds tough, but is extremely undersized to be playing a significant low-post role. At best he can be a Paul Milsap/Carlos Boozer rebounder, but I still have some serious doubts about this team's post defense.
Brockman sounds tough, but is extremely undersized to be playing a significant low-post role. At best he can be a Paul Milsap/Carlos Boozer rebounder, but I still have some serious doubts about this team's post defense.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Petrie's an interesting evaluator for talent that's for sure--he doesn't really pick the players that the draftniks all expect us to get, and instead picks players that either 1) were under the radar (see Kevin Martin, Ricky Minard), 2) were ranked lower by said draftniks and/or were drafted when supposedly better talent were available (Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Quincy Douby). This year it doesn't appear to be much different--Tyreke Evans over Ricky Rubio, and Casspi I thought was a late 1st sort of guy (and we got him over DeJuan Blair), and Jon Brockman is the sort of guy I woudn't have anywhere near my draft board (and we got him over Mills, Calathes, Budinger, Danny Green etc). So therefore we didn't get great value for our picks, relative to other teams'/GMs perceptions.
But combining the three--Evans, Casspi, and Brockman--within the context of our team, I sorta like it. Evans has a huge upside (provided the light bulb turns on) and can be a do-it-all sort of player where scoring comes first, and the jumper is the easiest thing to improve in the NBA especially for a guy that skilled. Casspi and Brockman inject a toughness that I like as well; initially I thought Casspi was too much like Andres Nocioni (limited court vision, dirty work/harassing defender sort of player, mix-and-match offense) but if Andres goes, Casspi's definitely a guy who can be a useful role player for us. Brockman I'm not sure he'll make the team, and if he does, probably an end-of-bencher; he's the quintessential college player who will get by due to sheer girth and hustle but he's just a one-dimensional rebounder and is severely undersized/unathletic even for PF standards (not to mention foul prone), so he probably won't survive the NBA.
So it's a B--particularly with the Brockman, I thought we could've gotten talent that slipped (I particularly wanted Nick Calathes or Danny Green in that area) instead of him, but the other two I can live with because both are serviceable NBA players (in particular with Evans' case, he can be a great scoring guard with all-around game). My draft thinking would've been something like Rubio, DeJuan Blair and maybe Danny Green (that would've been an A in my standard), but this will suffice.
But combining the three--Evans, Casspi, and Brockman--within the context of our team, I sorta like it. Evans has a huge upside (provided the light bulb turns on) and can be a do-it-all sort of player where scoring comes first, and the jumper is the easiest thing to improve in the NBA especially for a guy that skilled. Casspi and Brockman inject a toughness that I like as well; initially I thought Casspi was too much like Andres Nocioni (limited court vision, dirty work/harassing defender sort of player, mix-and-match offense) but if Andres goes, Casspi's definitely a guy who can be a useful role player for us. Brockman I'm not sure he'll make the team, and if he does, probably an end-of-bencher; he's the quintessential college player who will get by due to sheer girth and hustle but he's just a one-dimensional rebounder and is severely undersized/unathletic even for PF standards (not to mention foul prone), so he probably won't survive the NBA.
So it's a B--particularly with the Brockman, I thought we could've gotten talent that slipped (I particularly wanted Nick Calathes or Danny Green in that area) instead of him, but the other two I can live with because both are serviceable NBA players (in particular with Evans' case, he can be a great scoring guard with all-around game). My draft thinking would've been something like Rubio, DeJuan Blair and maybe Danny Green (that would've been an A in my standard), but this will suffice.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Still all of free agency and trades to go though. Amazingly this really was a two center draft, and only the first really had the ability to make any sort of defensive impact. And he didn't even make it to us. Meanwhile Mullens is soft and sloppy and reqally ccould nto help at all on cleaning up inside. taking him is a long term upside sort of pick -- possible at #23 but I did not reaaly see anybody left at that point that could have made a real difference inside for us. Taj Gibson might have given us a little shotblocking, but he's probably just another Steven Hunter.
Jon Brockman will not play in the NBA, at least in any kind of meaningful way. An absolutely wasted pick. I like his toughness. I enjoyed watching him at UW. But he's slow, unathletic, undersized with no real offensive game. He could be the toughest rebounder in the draft and he still has too many holes to be even a spot NBA player. Its the 38th pick but once again a wasted Petrie 2nd rounder.
Time for a change in management. I think this futility has gone on for long enough. D-
Section 101
All-Star
He might have a place if he can be Louis Amundson, but that's his celing.
Widowmaker2k
Bench
Except Lou has decent athleticism and quickness for an undersized big. And even with that, he still isn't good. It's less whether Brockman pans out. Most 2nd rounders don't. Its the continued lack of agressiveness and strategic thinking.
BritishColumbia
Bench
1. I wanted Rubio because I think that he is a special talent and one of the most exciting players to watch (even with all his minuses) but I am Ok with Evans - he was my second choice. So, I am not disappointed very much. I just hope that he will be more pointguardish and less salmonssish. A- (Rubio would have got A)
2. I like this pick. Now Israel is on our side
and I am sure we'll get a lot of new fans. He will never be a star but he can be a very useful player kinda in bench/alternative starter mode. I have seen him several times in Euroleague and he was always solid and tough. Nothing spectacular about him but a reliable and lively guy that every team needs. Plus, it is always great to have talented International players on your roster. B+
3. I was actually surprised. I have always liked that guy in college .... in college are two important words here. He probably should have not been drafted but we have him now and I wanna give him a fair chance. He is a COMPETITOR and I like it about him a lot. Probably, he can be a good 5-min bench guy who can distract opponents, get tough offensive rebounds and be hockey nasty. He will never be a ***** and our team has this problem. So, no grade from me now. I wanna see him at least in Vegas this summer.
May be I am too positive and optimistic but this is who I am and I honestly think that we did a good job this time taking into consideration all the factors (not the best draft, our picks and our situation).
Go Kings!!
2. I like this pick. Now Israel is on our side
and I am sure we'll get a lot of new fans. He will never be a star but he can be a very useful player kinda in bench/alternative starter mode. I have seen him several times in Euroleague and he was always solid and tough. Nothing spectacular about him but a reliable and lively guy that every team needs. Plus, it is always great to have talented International players on your roster. B+3. I was actually surprised. I have always liked that guy in college .... in college are two important words here. He probably should have not been drafted but we have him now and I wanna give him a fair chance. He is a COMPETITOR and I like it about him a lot. Probably, he can be a good 5-min bench guy who can distract opponents, get tough offensive rebounds and be hockey nasty. He will never be a ***** and our team has this problem. So, no grade from me now. I wanna see him at least in Vegas this summer.
May be I am too positive and optimistic but this is who I am and I honestly think that we did a good job this time taking into consideration all the factors (not the best draft, our picks and our situation).
Go Kings!!
My sentiments exactly....
....I think they drafted Brockman because the Maloofs needed another bouncer at the Palms.
If Rubio outplays Evans next year you will find GP hanging from the Tower Bridge. Not necessarily of his own doing.
....I think they drafted Brockman because the Maloofs needed another bouncer at the Palms.
If Rubio outplays Evans next year you will find GP hanging from the Tower Bridge. Not necessarily of his own doing.
BLNINJA #81
Bench
That's complete and utter BS! We're not talking about Kimbo Slice here... The kids been pro since 14!
Vlade4GM
All-Star
That's more length than leaping ability. He's really not that explosive of a leaper IMO, not saying he's stapled to the ground or anything, but he's more about strength and length.
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KingGiant49erFan
G-League
nba.com winners and losers
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/art_garcia/06/26/winandlose/index.html
Winners
Clippers: Gotta start with the Los Angeles team that didn't win the title. Sure, giving them kudos for the obvious choice of Blake Griffin seems like an easy way out, but considering the luck of this franchise in lotteries past, getting a building-block power forward is more than solid.
Sacramento: The Kings picked up 6-foot-5 point guard Tyreke Evans (No. 4) to pair with Kevin Martin in the backcourt and Israeli small forward Omar Casspi (23). The 21-year-old Casspi was thought to be a second-round talent not long ago, but he moved up a number of boards in recent weeks.
Tyler Hansbrough: Thought to be going in the late teens or the 20s, the North Carolina senior went 13th to Indiana. The hard-working power forward likely won't be a star, but he knows how to play the game and figures to be a contributor as a rookie. Stay in school, kids.
New York: The Knicks didn't get Stephen Curry, but they were high on Jordan Hill. The 6-foot-10 power forward from Arizona loves to run the floor, which make him a natural for Mike D'Antoni. What does that mean for David Lee?
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/art_garcia/06/26/winandlose/index.html
Winners
Clippers: Gotta start with the Los Angeles team that didn't win the title. Sure, giving them kudos for the obvious choice of Blake Griffin seems like an easy way out, but considering the luck of this franchise in lotteries past, getting a building-block power forward is more than solid.
Sacramento: The Kings picked up 6-foot-5 point guard Tyreke Evans (No. 4) to pair with Kevin Martin in the backcourt and Israeli small forward Omar Casspi (23). The 21-year-old Casspi was thought to be a second-round talent not long ago, but he moved up a number of boards in recent weeks.
Tyler Hansbrough: Thought to be going in the late teens or the 20s, the North Carolina senior went 13th to Indiana. The hard-working power forward likely won't be a star, but he knows how to play the game and figures to be a contributor as a rookie. Stay in school, kids.
New York: The Knicks didn't get Stephen Curry, but they were high on Jordan Hill. The 6-foot-10 power forward from Arizona loves to run the floor, which make him a natural for Mike D'Antoni. What does that mean for David Lee?
ockingsfan
Starter
B+
i think tyreke will be a beast, hopefully at PG, but may eventually be a SG
Omri is intriguing, may be a hedo type forward
i wish the kings would have drafted patty mills at #32
i think tyreke will be a beast, hopefully at PG, but may eventually be a SG
Omri is intriguing, may be a hedo type forward
i wish the kings would have drafted patty mills at #32
KingsCitizen
Starter
I give it a B+
Before the draft, I wished Petrie gets a PG, a SF, and a backup big. These are our key weakness and I believe Petrie has addressed it pretty well. Although the personnels he brought in were not as I hoped for. But he did address the issue.
First off, he was able to get a trade from Portland for a PG who has serious court vision(just check how many great lob passes Rudy gets from Sergio) and craftiness.
The he drafts Evans at #4. I am not on the Evans bandwagon. But I respect this pick. Our Front Office and Petrie had a chance to compare all the top PGs and even Rubio paid the Kings his only work out. That is more than enough to give them right to pick the player for the Kings at number 4. Evans main question is his ball handling (esp. against small guards and his court vision), but as I see it the kid is still young at his age he is already bringing too much upside. I don't see him replacing Martin but rather playing as PG with Martin. He easily upgrades our defensive woes on the perimeter with his size. On the offensive end, even if he doesn't really pass too much, he is probably the biggest PG in the league right now and could easily post up any PG. And our bigs are already pretty decent passers.
The Casspi pick was almost predicted in a lot of mock drafts so it did not surprise me. He is a SF who should be able to get rotation minutes. And this would probably officially close rumors on resigning McCants by putting Garcia as the full backup SG. Casspi's game is close to Nocioni but his a bit taller and quicker which could mean he really will be staying at SF.
Brockman was a surprise. But I think is a good pick and is a sign that our front office are really aware of our needs of a banger. Although a bit undersized, I hope he develops into a great blue collar worker down low.
As I see it, as the draft ended, we got a backup PG(with pass first mentality), a potential starting PG(with exceptional size and potential), a rotation SF(who loves to finish at the rim), and a rotation PF(a bit undersized but could be in a mold of Paul Millsap with lesser lift).
Now let's start the summerleague, trade Beno, and get a solid big man FA(especially a Center, Gortat maybe?
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And by the way, I think we just got the tallest, youngest, and mobile lineup in the NBA right now if we start Evans(6'5") at PG and Greene(6'10") at SF.
Before the draft, I wished Petrie gets a PG, a SF, and a backup big. These are our key weakness and I believe Petrie has addressed it pretty well. Although the personnels he brought in were not as I hoped for. But he did address the issue.
First off, he was able to get a trade from Portland for a PG who has serious court vision(just check how many great lob passes Rudy gets from Sergio) and craftiness.
The he drafts Evans at #4. I am not on the Evans bandwagon. But I respect this pick. Our Front Office and Petrie had a chance to compare all the top PGs and even Rubio paid the Kings his only work out. That is more than enough to give them right to pick the player for the Kings at number 4. Evans main question is his ball handling (esp. against small guards and his court vision), but as I see it the kid is still young at his age he is already bringing too much upside. I don't see him replacing Martin but rather playing as PG with Martin. He easily upgrades our defensive woes on the perimeter with his size. On the offensive end, even if he doesn't really pass too much, he is probably the biggest PG in the league right now and could easily post up any PG. And our bigs are already pretty decent passers.
The Casspi pick was almost predicted in a lot of mock drafts so it did not surprise me. He is a SF who should be able to get rotation minutes. And this would probably officially close rumors on resigning McCants by putting Garcia as the full backup SG. Casspi's game is close to Nocioni but his a bit taller and quicker which could mean he really will be staying at SF.
Brockman was a surprise. But I think is a good pick and is a sign that our front office are really aware of our needs of a banger. Although a bit undersized, I hope he develops into a great blue collar worker down low.
As I see it, as the draft ended, we got a backup PG(with pass first mentality), a potential starting PG(with exceptional size and potential), a rotation SF(who loves to finish at the rim), and a rotation PF(a bit undersized but could be in a mold of Paul Millsap with lesser lift).
Now let's start the summerleague, trade Beno, and get a solid big man FA(especially a Center, Gortat maybe?
)And by the way, I think we just got the tallest, youngest, and mobile lineup in the NBA right now if we start Evans(6'5") at PG and Greene(6'10") at SF.
steelevt
All-Star
somewhere between B- and C+. i would have been happy with evans, if rubio was off the board, but knowing we coulda have picked rubio...slightly disappointed. im fine with casspi with our 23rd. was happy again when we stole sergio from the blazers as well as some cash for dropping a few spots. then realized we barely missed out on young and blair, and passed up on mills and derrick brown for brockman...kinda left a bitter taste in my mouth and dropped the B- to a C+
bozzwell
Starter
I really don't know this Evans kid (I barely follow NCAA), but I dunked like that 5 years ago, at age 33 and a "michelin tire" around my midriff, at a block party. I had about 6 beers in me and flip flops on my feet. I am 6'3'' bare footed. I didn't fall down though.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I really don't get this skills/needs argument when it comes to Rubio. He does one thing - creatively pass the ball. Is that the only thing the Kings need? Evans does multiple things - penetrate, finish, defend, rebound, and pass, though not as creatively as Rubio. So who fills more needs? Unless you really think that creatively passing the ball is soooo much more significant, it makes no sense to me.
theclash4u5
Starter
Oh please...that was a hard dunk, especially with someone running directly into him.
bozzwell
Starter
I just came back from the draft party so here are my grades:
#4: I've no idea. Did we really pick Martin's backup or replacement at #4? I need help understanding this... Or is Evans magically going to develop PG skills? I can only grade based on KF.com comment and talking heads on TV. Ultimately, everyone seems to agree that he is a combo-guard. I hate combo guards. It's like calling KT a combo forward.
#23: Cool. We picked a poor man's Andreas Nocioni.
#31: OK, I'll take Sergio, but otherwise I don't really care for Brockman or Pendergraph.
No vision. No inspiration. No swings for the fences. No PG's in PG loaded draft. Not big/singificant trades while the rest of the NBA is playing musical chairs. I just don't get it.
#4: I've no idea. Did we really pick Martin's backup or replacement at #4? I need help understanding this... Or is Evans magically going to develop PG skills? I can only grade based on KF.com comment and talking heads on TV. Ultimately, everyone seems to agree that he is a combo-guard. I hate combo guards. It's like calling KT a combo forward.
#23: Cool. We picked a poor man's Andreas Nocioni.
#31: OK, I'll take Sergio, but otherwise I don't really care for Brockman or Pendergraph.
No vision. No inspiration. No swings for the fences. No PG's in PG loaded draft. Not big/singificant trades while the rest of the NBA is playing musical chairs. I just don't get it.
Aenadin
Starter
i wasnt comparing Rubio vs evans athletically... i was asking how are his athletic abilities?
does he have an explosive first step? i worry about his court vision though but i trust petrie... saw a few clips of him he has a tendency to break down his man
Aenadin
Starter
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I think calling Rubio's game just "creative passing" is cheap and unfair.
So you're saying quantity trumps quality? I'm saying that he fits what the Kings need at PG, they need a guy who can lead an offense, create for others, can break down defenses, has proven decision making/IQ, and can get teammates involved; a true facilitator.
