Good addition with May

[Showtime]

Look, your ENTIRE response, and on and on and on response, is predicated on you having an apparently rather vastly higher opinion of Ike than the Kings do.

If they feel Ike is no better than May, then yes I believe that is true.

And that is fine and all. But all of the aspersions about how this makes the Kings cheap and whatnot are ridiculous.

Compared to their overpaying players the past few years, I am surprised how they view paying May nearly a million vs negotiating for a similar deal with Diogu.

Have you ever considered, maybe, just maybe, that they don't think he can play? Right or wrong. That they are just not convinced he is WORTH your "little" $3mil a year contract or whatever?

Yes, I have considered that they view him as so, which doesn't make any sense to me if they are willing to pay May around a mil a year for what he could bring to the Kings (if he even stays healthy). Price/performance wise, I don't see how the team can think that Ike isn't even worth pursuing a negotiation for a very inexpensive and short term deal.

Its really not that hard to figure out where they are coming form here. more difficult I suppose if you consider it absolutely inconceivable that anybody could come to that conclsuon about Ike, but our front office is not the first to do so. And again, maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. But its not a cheap thing if you don't think the guy can play. Unless you are suggesting its good strategy to spend millions on a guy they don't think can help.

If the Kings don't think he's worth near the vet minimum, then they must not feel he's good enough to even be in the NBA, which in turn leads me to think this team is nuts. If they don't want to spend ANY money, then I understand that. But that's not the case. If they don't think he can play in the league and contribute on a team that needs frontline reserves, then yes, I do think the team is crazy.

 

[kingsnation]

Ok..

Webb vs Peja? Yeah.

Tyreke vs Rubio? Sure.

May vs Ike?

 

[Warhawk]

Ok..

Webb vs Peja? Yeah.

Tyreke vs Rubio? Sure.

May vs Ike?

Nice.

 

[VF21]

Yes, I have considered that they view him as so, which doesn't make any sense to me if they are willing to pay May around a mil a year for what he could bring to the Kings (if he even stays healthy). Price/performance wise, I don't see how the team can think that Ike isn't even worth pursuing a negotiation for a very inexpensive and short term deal.

If Sean May doesn't stay healthy, the Kings are out one year's salary for one lower tier player. No big. And if May is healthy, he does have size and some skills - at least he's shown flashes of them. We're taking his for a test drive; if he works out, he might be able to extend his stay as a reliable force off the bench.

Ike would cost more money, has shown pretty much nothing except for a late-seasion meaningless flash of brilliance and obviously simply did not impress enough during his time here last year. All we saw were those couple of games. We have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

 

[Section 101]

Look, your ENTIRE response, and on and on and on response, is predicated on you having an apparently rather vastly higher opinion of Ike than the Kings do. And that is fine and all. But all of the aspersions about how this makes the Kings cheap and whatnot are ridiculous. Have you ever considered, maybe, just maybe, that they don't think he can play? Right or wrong. That they are just not convinced he is WORTH your "little" $3mil a year contract or whatever?

Its really not that hard to figure out where they are coming form here. more difficult I suppose if you consider it absolutely inconceivable that anybody could come to that conclsuon about Ike, but our front office is not the first to do so. And again, maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. But its not a cheap thing if you don't think the guy can play. Unless you are suggesting its good strategy to spend millions on a guy they don't think can help.

I think the more likely senario is they needed another player to make 13 on the roster. They want as much cap space so they can rent it with a trade. Meaning they will take on a player or players that will be expiring and will be getting cash to pay their contracts. Basically another Sam Cassell type deal trading cap space for cash.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Look, your ENTIRE response, and on and on and on response, is predicated on you having an apparently rather vastly higher opinion of Ike than the Kings do. And that is fine and all. But all of the aspersions about how this makes the Kings cheap and whatnot are ridiculous. Have you ever considered, maybe, just maybe, that they don't think he can play? Right or wrong. That they are just not convinced he is WORTH your "little" $3mil a year contract or whatever?

Its really not that hard to figure out where they are coming form here. more difficult I suppose if you consider it absolutely inconceivable that anybody could come to that conclsuon about Ike, but our front office is not the first to do so. And again, maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. But its not a cheap thing if you don't think the guy can play. Unless you are suggesting its good strategy to spend millions on a guy they don't think can help.

Do you know something that the rest of us don't? Do you in fact have inside information that the Kings will only sign May or Ike and not both?

As far as I know the Kings haven't as yet renounced their Bird Rights to Ike. All the FA's from last year are still listed on Kings.com as being on the roster. Furthermore, as of this time, there is a $8M cap hold on the Kings salary for Ike's contract. Meaning they have no cap space to sign any FA's.

Sorry, don't mean to single you out. Just making the point that the Kings may not be done signing players. There still are up to 3 roster vacancies. And, while I still hope the Kings are working toward signing a legitamate backup center, Ike may still be in their plans. And, I'm not sure that the dollar amount is the biggest roadblock. Length of the contract ( 1yr vs. 2yrs ) or who gets the option in the final year ( player option vs. team option ) , may be what's holding up any negotiaions.

Two years at $2M per with a team option on the 2nd yr, may be the deal the Kings want. And, they're willing to wait until Ike & his agent have tested the waters and find out that it's going to be the best offer they'll get. The Kings FO & the Maloofs have stated that cap space for next yr is a high priority and probably aren't willing to hand out any more guaranteed money that they don't have to.

 

[gunks]

Ok..

Webb vs Peja? Yeah.

Tyreke vs Rubio? Sure.

May vs Ike?

TDOS...Oh lord oh lord. TDOS.

 

[Prince_XY]

It is funny how we ( as fans and that includes me ) will sometimes argue about anything ( to the point of giving false information like players' height, weight, etc. ), eventhough in reality we obviously don't know that much about what's really going on inside the real day-to-day NBA business.

Plus, knowing the seeming futility of our arguments in affecting how the Kings' FO will behave, I just wonder if we're just wasting time. But it's fun. So, let us all continue with the arguing.

 

[dbfish]

im sick of people thinking ike has any ability because of 2 games! that were at the end of the year!.... and one was against minny without al jefferson!... get it together!!!!!!!

paying May for 1yr at less than 1mil.... BEST DEAL FOR THE FUTURE AND NEXT YEAR!!!

You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

 

[bajaden]

Other than that not being the case of course.

The average is about 6'9". I would have to find the article, which would not be easy because I do not remmeber the source, exact time or methodology, but I think it was 6'9.25" for an average listed height a couple of years ago. And most of the really good ones are at least that height -- Bosh, Dirk, Duncan, Pau, Aldridge, Garnett etc. all 6'10"+. There are a handful of good 6'8ish shorties -- Boozer, Jamison, Brand etc., but its certianly not helping their careers. We can of course play the shoes on/shoes off game, but that is not terribly relevant and doesn't get us anywhere as everyone is at roughly the same relative height either way, and its relative height which would matter.

Well I was using the non shoes measurement. But its really not worth debating. I was just doing it for fun. If you can play, you can play. Just ask Barkley..

 

[bajaden]

How can any reasonable person equate the situation with KT and the possibility of a short term deal under 4 mil for Ike? THIS IS NOT ANOTHER BENO CONTRACT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. That is beyond stupid to equate the two. Ike can be a big off the bench who can produce for a very reasonable salary, NOT a LONG term deal for a VASTLY OVERPAID player whose contract and production (or lackthereof) will hamper the team's flexibility for the future. This is not a long term deal. This is not a MLE or high salary player. This is the idea that May was chosen because the Kings don't want to spend under 3 mil a year for a quality reserve big despite their willingness to spend far more than that on guys left and right prior to this.


I thought you were smarter than that. Apparently, you aren't. Anybody who thinks the idea of trying to negotiate for a short term multiyear deal for around 2 mil a year is in any way similar to a KT, Beno, Moore, etc contract is out of their mind.

I don't recall calling you stupid. Some of what I said was in jest. However, all of your assumptions are based on the non fact that Diogu would have signed for the amount you stated. Personally, I don't give a tinkers damm whether they signed May or Diogu. Neither one has proved anything in the last three years and to get in a heated argument, and call people names is riduculous.

I'm not going to re-explain my point. You know exactly what I meant.