Future of Vlade
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His moves have been a mixed bag over the last few prior years. He's made a couple of real blunders in trades and signings but also made some good draft picks and signings (such as Vince Carter to mentor.) I like the overall direction of the team and that Vlade is trying to build a team of high character hard working guys with good team chemistry.
However Vlade's job security will end up coming down to whether he made the right draft choice picking Bagley over Luka Doncic.
I (and many) believe he made a huge mistake passing on Doncic and if that does turn out to be the case at the end of next season then Vlade absolutely must be fired. When you're picking 2nd in a strong draft you have to hit a homerun and draft a franchise changing impact player. You just have to,mistakes like that set you back years. If Doncic is that (and just flat out better than Bagley ) than Vlade has gotta go. With that said who knows maybe he got it right and outsmarted everyone. Dallas has surrounded Luka with finishers so I think we'll have a pretty good idea next spring if Vlade missed out on him.
However Vlade's job security will end up coming down to whether he made the right draft choice picking Bagley over Luka Doncic.
I (and many) believe he made a huge mistake passing on Doncic and if that does turn out to be the case at the end of next season then Vlade absolutely must be fired. When you're picking 2nd in a strong draft you have to hit a homerun and draft a franchise changing impact player. You just have to,mistakes like that set you back years. If Doncic is that (and just flat out better than Bagley ) than Vlade has gotta go. With that said who knows maybe he got it right and outsmarted everyone. Dallas has surrounded Luka with finishers so I think we'll have a pretty good idea next spring if Vlade missed out on him.
He doesnt have to be the 2nd best player in the draft when it's all said and done but he better at least appear to be better than Doncic at the end of this season. He also better appear to be a major impact player going forward.
Is that timeline completely fair? No not entirely but it's reality and in part due to Vlade's own words and actions (trading away 2019 pick).
Comes with the territory and its time to put up or shut-up. Doncic was the consensus #1 or #2 talent in the draft. Vlade went against the consensus. That's fine if he got it right. If he didnt we know what's coming.
Is that timeline completely fair? No not entirely but it's reality and in part due to Vlade's own words and actions (trading away 2019 pick).
Comes with the territory and its time to put up or shut-up. Doncic was the consensus #1 or #2 talent in the draft. Vlade went against the consensus. That's fine if he got it right. If he didnt we know what's coming.
What are your thoughts on the fact that under Pete D, we drafted zero of those prospects you listed. Under Vlade, aside from 2016 #8 when he nabbed Bogdan, we drafted at least one of the guys, two in 2017 ( Giles was a lucky break) , that Vlade brought in.
Maybe he and the F.O. knew they didn't need to cast as wide a net to draft who they knew they wanted? Again, of the players you listed, Pete D and that F.O. drafted none of the players brought in to work out.
Not so much defending Vlade, rather pointing out that Pete D'Alessandro might not be the best example for your case against Vlade.
Just food for thought.
Maybe he and the F.O. knew they didn't need to cast as wide a net to draft who they knew they wanted? Again, of the players you listed, Pete D and that F.O. drafted none of the players brought in to work out.
Not so much defending Vlade, rather pointing out that Pete D'Alessandro might not be the best example for your case against Vlade.
Just food for thought.
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Well then....that settles it. If there was a redraft on the internet. 
By the way, of course I don’t know your feelings on Fox when he was drafted, but he was OVERWELMINLY the fan favorite at 5. So much so that people were absolutely giddy when the Celtics stupidly picked Tatum at 3. Cheers erupted when Jackson went 4. I can certainly see the second guessing over passing on Docic over Bagley because we have fox on the roster, but seems pretty tough to give Vlade crap over drafting Fox at the time.
By the way, of course I don’t know your feelings on Fox when he was drafted, but he was OVERWELMINLY the fan favorite at 5. So much so that people were absolutely giddy when the Celtics stupidly picked Tatum at 3. Cheers erupted when Jackson went 4. I can certainly see the second guessing over passing on Docic over Bagley because we have fox on the roster, but seems pretty tough to give Vlade crap over drafting Fox at the time.
Members of the all Rookie team:
Ball (2)
Tatum (3)
Jackson (4)
Markennan (6)
Smith (9)
Mitchell (13)
Collins (19)
Perhaps you want to use his advanced stats net rating among rookies: 88th
Or 7th in points among rookie guards
Or 5th in assists among rookie guards
Can he get better? Sure he can but at the moment he doesn’t come close to justifying the 5th pick. And whether the fans loved him or not is irrelevant. Vlade’s job is to draft the best players for the spot in the draft. The final stanza isn’t written yet but by the end of next year it will be much closer.
This is my only qualm with what is seemingly the basic premise of the current TDOS annual pitchfork festival.
To expect results so quickly in a young players career or the guy who believed in them should be run out of town is shortsighted to me. We are not hoisting the trophy anytime soon. Why is this next season the end all be all for our GM's tenure again?
Instead of watching the F.O. so intently, since Vlade took the helm under duress, I am keeping my eyes focused on our squad that laces them up.
Way too soon for anything definitively to be said pro or con.
We are all tired of waiting, even those of us who tend not to post anything negative.
To expect results so quickly in a young players career or the guy who believed in them should be run out of town is shortsighted to me. We are not hoisting the trophy anytime soon. Why is this next season the end all be all for our GM's tenure again?
Instead of watching the F.O. so intently, since Vlade took the helm under duress, I am keeping my eyes focused on our squad that laces them up.
Way too soon for anything definitively to be said pro or con.
We are all tired of waiting, even those of us who tend not to post anything negative.
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Do you often try to make a point by citing outliers? Yes some people do take longer than a year. Hassan Whiteside comes to mind. I think Skal is in the same boat which is why I wouldn’t trade him. But in general you have a good idea after year true. Nothing about in general says absolutely in all cases.
Try not to extrapolate to things I didn’t say.
1) I started the thread saying if after this year, given the free agent performance, the young kids don’t show real improvement
2) I was responding to others who concluded that Fox was a good draft pick and would be a solid starter/near all star, that nothing in the data of year one would support that conclusion.
Does that mean I am convinced Fox has no chance to be good? Of course not, he had Games last year that were encouraging where he got in the paint and set up open shooters. But he has to show real measurable progress this year.
1) I started the thread saying if after this year, given the free agent performance, the young kids don’t show real improvement
2) I was responding to others who concluded that Fox was a good draft pick and would be a solid starter/near all star, that nothing in the data of year one would support that conclusion.
Does that mean I am convinced Fox has no chance to be good? Of course not, he had Games last year that were encouraging where he got in the paint and set up open shooters. But he has to show real measurable progress this year.
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