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Jimmer is available.....

It's just summerleague, but boy did he look good.. I think jimmer should get 1 more shot at the NBA. He's a hardworker, but unfortunately wasn't blessed with any athleticism. He could make so much money playing overseas right now. I wonder if this is his last go for the NBA before he takes that overseas option.
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Bricklayer

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Quincy Acy just signed a two-year deal for the league minimum to play for the Dallas Mavericks. Acy was one of my favorites so I'm glad to see him get some guaranteed dollars for multiple seasons.
Curious he opted out here only to sign for so little, and without us being in the mix either. I'm not sure if its because he is too small for what we want to do now, or if he actually had a problem with us/Cuz, who were buds I thought, or what. Like Curry a bit. Maybe we really are compeltely focused on size/length, but those were pieces that seemed like they could have done well in our new attitude, but we are completely turning everything over now.
 
Curious he opted out here only to sign for so little, and without us being in the mix either. I'm not sure if its because he is too small for what we want to do now, or if he actually had a problem with us/Cuz, who were buds I thought, or what. Like Curry a bit. Maybe we really are compeltely focused on size/length, but those were pieces that seemed like they could have done well in our new attitude, but we are completely turning everything over now.
It could have been the case that he thought he would get more money than the minimum only to find out that he was not getting any other offers bigger than the minimum so might as well sign with the hometown team.
 

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Curious he opted out here only to sign for so little, and without us being in the mix either. I'm not sure if its because he is too small for what we want to do now, or if he actually had a problem with us/Cuz, who were buds I thought, or what. Like Curry a bit. Maybe we really are compeltely focused on size/length, but those were pieces that seemed like they could have done well in our new attitude, but we are completely turning everything over now.
This may be a case of let's see if cuz the problem. Completely change everything if it still doesn't work lets start over using cuz as leverage for other players. I wonder where we would be if cuz had not gotten Viral Meningitis?
 

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Curious he opted out here only to sign for so little, and without us being in the mix either. I'm not sure if its because he is too small for what we want to do now, or if he actually had a problem with us/Cuz, who were buds I thought, or what. Like Curry a bit. Maybe we really are compeltely focused on size/length, but those were pieces that seemed like they could have done well in our new attitude, but we are completely turning everything over now.
He's from Tyler, Texas. I think he wanted to play at home.
 

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It seems like players are signing for the minimum or the maximum. I know that isn't entirely true but there sure are a loy of minimum wage guys. I wonder how that works in the locker room.
 
Vlade specifically targeted a stretch four after he knew Anderson wasn't coming here, T. Jones doesn't fit that bill.
Tolliver shot .357 from 3 for his career. Jones is .316 from 3. Not a huge difference. Plus Jones averages about 10 points per game and more rebounds per game and blocks.

Jones showed a lot of potential as an all around player before some injuries.

Jones still has upside, tolliver does not.

It is what it is.
 
Tolliver shot .357 from 3 for his career. Jones is .316 from 3. Not a huge difference. Plus Jones averages about 10 points per game and more rebounds per game and blocks.

Jones showed a lot of potential as an all around player before some injuries.

Jones still has upside, tolliver does not.

It is what it is.
Jones' best shooting season was a fluke, since his %s on long 2s, FTs, corner 3s and long 3s in every season suggest, that he's a below average shooter. Yes, Jones is a better shot-blocker and slightly better defensive rebounder. Big difference in off.rebounding is easily explained by their placing on the floor: you just need to look at the amount of 3s to gauge the time each spends beyond the arc on offense.
 
Tolliver shot .357 from 3 for his career. Jones is .316 from 3. Not a huge difference. Plus Jones averages about 10 points per game and more rebounds per game and blocks.

Jones showed a lot of potential as an all around player before some injuries.

Jones still has upside, tolliver does not.

It is what it is.
As peacelate said, the difference between the two of them is massive. It's literally what you would call a poor shooter from 3 (Jones) as compared to a decent/respectable shooter from 3 (Tolliver). It really is a huge difference.
 
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As peacelate said, the difference between the two of them is massive. It's literally what you would call a poor shooter from 3 (Jones) as compared to a decent/respectable shooter from 3 (Tolliver). It really is a huge difference.
Jones is a way better overall player but imo I really think he would have been worth a look and add's talent to the roster (which we badly lack) AT does not. Who knows but they might have tried to get Jones but maybe he didn't want to come and I have no issue cheering for AT he plays hard and smart ball.

God damn we missed out on Randy Foye as well who showed in Denver he could run the point 2 season's ago.....and could have provided a scoring punch off the bench.
 
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Curious he opted out here only to sign for so little, and without us being in the mix either. I'm not sure if its because he is too small for what we want to do now, or if he actually had a problem with us/Cuz, who were buds I thought, or what. Like Curry a bit. Maybe we really are compeltely focused on size/length, but those were pieces that seemed like they could have done well in our new attitude, but we are completely turning everything over now.
Think it's just a simple case that Tolliver does what we want Acy to do a lot better; be that stretch 4 who can provide some tough gritty minutes.
 
No, there's definitely a big difference in terms of value.

And yes, Crowder is not the best 3pt shooter in the world but 34% on 5 3PA per game, 36% on catch & shoot 3s, 40% when left wide open from three, & 42% from midrange is far from hopeless. The 40% is telling. When he has the time and doesn't rush, he's a good 3pt shooter (not to mention he shot 82% from the line which is usually a good indicator). Does he have room for improvement? Of course, but he's at least trending in the right direction.

Besides Crowder has Gay beat in almost everything else...

Crowder On/Off: +3.2
Gay On/Off: +1.3

Crowder RPM: 3.00
Gay RPM: 0.17

Crowder RAPM: 2.5
Gay RAPM: 0.4

Crowder TS%: 57%
Gay TS%: 54%
This would be an absolute coup for us. Short of dealing WCS, I'd do anything we needed to make it happen. Crowder is a star waiting to happen and his contract is absolutely filthy amazing in the NBA market.
 

Jimmer is available.....

It's just summerleague, but boy did he look good.. I think jimmer should get 1 more shot at the NBA. He's a hardworker, but unfortunately wasn't blessed with any athleticism. He could make so much money playing overseas right now. I wonder if this is his last go for the NBA before he takes that overseas option.
Not going to lie, I wouldn't mind it. Went back and watched some 2011-2012 Jimmer summer league and it really is a night and day difference. Looks like a completely different player and has actually learned how to play some PG. At the very worst, he's cheap shooting that would push second Cousins in training camp
 
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Jones is a way better overall player but imo I really think he would have been worth a look and add's talent to the roster (which we badly lack) AT does not. Who knows but they might have tried to get Jones but maybe he didn't want to come and I have no issue cheering for AT he plays hard and smart ball.

God damn we missed out on Randy Foye as well who showed in Denver he could run the point 2 season's ago.....and could have provided a scoring punch off the bench.
Jones is the more capable player, but who knows what kind of circumstances led to Tolliver being signed... It is what it is now, but Tolliver fits a need better (outside shooting). Jone's skills wouldn't be as needed as Tolliver's outside shooting.
 
Jones is the more capable player, but who knows what kind of circumstances led to Tolliver being signed... It is what it is now, but Tolliver fits a need better (outside shooting). Jone's skills wouldn't be as needed as Tolliver's outside shooting.
Ken Catanella came from the Pistons and so did Tolliver. There are your circumstances:) Tolliver has become a 3 point shooting specialist the last few seasons, it is what he does:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tollian01.html
 
Ken Catanella came from the Pistons and so did Tolliver. There are your circumstances:) Tolliver has become a 3 point shooting specialist the last few seasons, it is what he does:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tollian01.html
It's difficult for me to call anyone who hits just a decent percentage of his threes a specialist per se... I would say he's more of backup PF who can space the floor when needed. He's in Acys role, and I definitely consider him an upgrade except in the beard department.
 
Not going to lie, I wouldn't mind it. Went back and watched some 2011-2012 Jimmer summer league and it really is a night and day difference. Looks like a completely different player and has actually learned how to play some PG. At the very worst, he's cheap shooting that would push second Cousins in training camp
He looks a bit more athletic now. Not sure what it is, but it might be his slightly bigger frame? I doubt the Kings bring him here though. Seems like we have a defensive philosophy going on right now, and Jimmer wouldn't really fit. Then again...he'd probably be our best option at backup PG.
 
Tolliver shot .357 from 3 for his career. Jones is .316 from 3. Not a huge difference. Plus Jones averages about 10 points per game and more rebounds per game and blocks.

Jones showed a lot of potential as an all around player before some injuries.

Jones still has upside, tolliver does not.

It is what it is.
The way I see it is, the Kings need spacers around Boogie and Trill....Terrence Jones won't provide that, he is a driver and not a very good shooter really from anywhere so his strength is attacking the basket, getting put backs, etc.
 

Bricklayer

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I would once again mention we very specifically have not been seeking to acquire "talent" through free agency. Fit, defense, and roleplayerness have been the bywords. Might be the first time in Sacramento Kings history that can be said. Not even saying its 100% guaranteed of being a good idea. You're blindly trusting the coach here. But let's just say if Pat Riley were the coach it would be a damn good idea. It can work. But you just have to adjust expectations. You can either be George Karl and try to outscore the other team, or you be Dave Joerger and try to make the other team score less than you. That's appears to be us right now. If Tony Allen and Kyle Korver were both available right now, we'd take Tony Allen. If Patrick Beverley and Jamaal Crawford were both available, we take Beverley.
 
Branden Dawson was waived by the Clippers. I like the Patterson invite for training camp and think Dawson should be another guy we might take a look at.
Unlike Patterson his game is not very polished yet, but from a physical standpoint and from his activity level and motor on the court, he fits the bill of a modern wing player, that can guard 1-4.
 

Bricklayer

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Branden Dawson was waived by the Clippers. I like the Patterson invite for training camp and think Dawson should be another guy we might take a look at.
Unlike Patterson his game is not very polished yet, but from a physical standpoint and from his activity level and motor on the court, he fits the bill of a modern wing player, that can guard 1-4.
I was under the impression that Dawson's problem was that he was a tweener. And not the modern fascination with the "good" tweener -- the tall 3pt shooting wuss who should be playing a position up, but his big frilly tutu keeps getting in the way, But rather the "bad tweener" with PF game, but SF size. That same problem may (or may not) have been why we let Acy walk.
 
I was under the impression that Dawson's problem was that he was a tweener. And not the modern fascination with the "good" tweener -- the tall 3pt shooting wuss who should be playing a position up, but his big frilly tutu keeps getting in the way, But rather the "bad tweener" with PF game, but SF size. That same problem may (or may not) have been why we let Acy walk.
Not what I saw during this and last years SL. His handles are good enough to drive , when given a free lane to the basket. The only thing he is missing is a reliable long range jumpshot. From the limited sample size I watched his mid range jumpshot isn't that bad. And there is no risk without a guaranteed contract. At least Dawson has the size, strength and footspeed to go against big, heavy SF's, something our roster lacks up to this point.
 
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Not what I saw during this and last years SL. His handles are good enough to drive , when given a free lane to the basket. The only thing he is missing is a reliable long range jumpshot. From the limited sample size I watched his mid range jumpshot isn't that bad. And there is no risk without a guaranteed contract. At least Dawson has the size, strength and footspeed to go against big, heavy SF's, something our roster lacks up to this point.
He's a lot like a smaller more tank Solomon Hill prior to Hill going berserk from 3 late in the season, I agree with you we should give him a chance at worst he's a PJ Tucker/Alonzo Gee type player with off the charts athletic ability.