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Amit149

Bench
#692
#692
206Fan said:
Well, stats really don't tell you the whole story here. Crabbe is ready to breakout from Lillard/McCollum. Casspi has been in the league for 7 years, and we already know what his role is. Hell, the reason why he left in the first place was because of the refusal to accept his role. The rest of his career after Sacramento really gave him a harsh reality check.

You can't just put up numbers without the context. It's really unfair to Omri too.

I think Omri can be a starting SF, but he'd have a lot of trouble on defense. He has the length to guard SFs, but he doesn't have the strength. If you ask him to bulk up, I think he'll lose a significant amount of quickness, which will hamper his ability to finish at the rim. Omri is a guy who really excels in the 2nd unit, because he's can play more freely. I don't know that he'd be able to play as loosely as he does with starters.

If Omri is our starting SF, we better have an elite PG or SG who can score. If we take Gay off our team, we arguably have no real #2 and #3 scoring option. DC is a fringe #3 scorer....
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Well since it's been about 5 years since he left the first time I'm not sure how relevant it really is...

What I do find atleast somewhat relevant is that Casspi played significantly better over the last 2 years as a starter:
2014-15 (19 games starting)- 14.3 pts (52.9 FG%, 50% from 3), 4.5 reb and 2.2 assists on 1.9 TO's.
2015-16 (21 games starting)- 14.0 pts (50.5 FG%, 48% from 3), 7.0 reb and 1.7 assists on 1.8 TO's.

So when he was called to have a bigger role he did it and his efficiency actually went up significantly, Another thing is that the most effective 2 man combination for our team this year was Casspi-Cousins.

I'm not sure at all that he is worse defensively than Crabbe (there aren't numbers suggesting that and the eye test for me is that Crabbe is overrated defensively- he has potential but he isn't there yet).
Now you can say that Crabbe has higher upside and that he is waiting to get away of CJ's shadow, on the other hand he only had one good season in his short career (his season high prior was 3.3 points) and in that season he didn't produce as much as Casspi.

Another example is Bazemore- a guy only a year younger than Casspi, who people look at as someone that can bring immediate value on offense- now to be clear: I think Bazemore is the better player, but production wise Casspi is very similar:

Casspi: 11.8 pts (48.1 FG%, 40.9 3pt%), 5.9 reb, 1.4 ast and 1.4 TO's in 27.2 minutes. PER 13.96, RPM +0.96 (16th amongst SF's)
Bazemore: 11.6 pts (44.1 FG%, 35.7 3pt%), 5.1 reb, 2.3 ast and 1.8 TO's in 27.8 minutes. PER 13.42, RPM -1.34 (39th amongst SF's)

So again with almost identical minutes (Bazemore played slightly more) Casspi have far better shooting%, 0.2 advantage on points, 0.8 reb, 0.4 less TO's, better PER and far better RPM with Bazemore having a 0.9 advantage on assists.
Now again, Bazemore is the better player here overall but Casspi gave the same production with more efficiency and you are going to tell me one of them is a near-max guy who would be a home-run and the other one can't be considered as a starter?
 
Noble

Noble

Bench
#693
#693
Well it's definitely not at the 4 and 5, and with the Durant's and Kawhi Leonard's of the West, I surely wouldn't want that hole to be at SF. I'd say we could live with some development at SG, as long as we had a solid 6th-7th man tandem that could come in and score some points(Collison and Lance Stephenson?), and just resign Rondo at this point. We need a stud PG, and this market is void of that outside of Rondo at this point unless a trade happens (Reke).
 
upinsmoke

upinsmoke

All-Star
#694
#694
Noble said:
Well it's definitely not at the 4 and 5, and with the Durant's and Kawhi Leonard's of the West, I surely wouldn't want that hole to be at SF. I'd say we could live with some development at SG, as long as we had a solid 6th-7th man tandem that could come in and score some points(Collison and Lance Stephenson?), and just resign Rondo at this point. We need a stud PG, and this market is void of that outside of Rondo at this point unless a trade happens (Reke).
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But is Tyreke a pg or a sg?

*ducks
 
Noble

Noble

Bench
#695
#695
PG all the way. The only lineup I can see him at SG is with Collison, which honestly wouldn't be that bad. You'd have Collison to stretch the floor with his shooting, Tyreke with the PnR and driving, and both switching on defense depending on the matchup and funneling their men into WCS and Boogie. All the while Gay can hit the mid range, pick and pop or get to the hole as well, and provide the length to go along with WCS/Cuz. Honestly I don't think we're that far off from playoffs. Even with the train wreck front office and coaching issues, this team tried hard so I would like to see what we look like when we're all committed to winning before we blow this all up.
 
Gary

Gary

All-Star
#696
#696
The Pikmin Lord said:
Based on those stats, Crabbe's wasn't starting caliber last year either. He's younger, fills a position of need, and may be ready to break out so that's why people are somewhat high on him.

As far as Casspi's production goes, yes he's a great spot up shooter and high energy guy, but I also see him through the eye test as a low BBIQ, out of control player who forces the issue way too much. I also completely disagree about him playing good defense. I was just as frustrated with him last year as I was with some of the other guys.
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You're kidding right? The guy might make some bad decisions on the floor but he definitely has a BBIQ in the middle of the pack, if not higher.
 
T

The Pikmin Lord

Prospect
#698
#698
Amit149 said:
Well since it's been about 5 years since he left the first time I'm not sure how relevant it really is...

What I do find atleast somewhat relevant is that Casspi played significantly better over the last 2 years as a starter:
2014-15 (19 games starting)- 14.3 pts (52.9 FG%, 50% from 3), 4.5 reb and 2.2 assists on 1.9 TO's.
2015-16 (21 games starting)- 14.0 pts (50.5 FG%, 48% from 3), 7.0 reb and 1.7 assists on 1.8 TO's.

So when he was called to have a bigger role he did it and his efficiency actually went up significantly, Another thing is that the most effective 2 man combination for our team this year was Casspi-Cousins.

I'm not sure at all that he is worse defensively than Crabbe (there aren't numbers suggesting that and the eye test for me is that Crabbe is overrated defensively- he has potential but he isn't there yet).
Now you can say that Crabbe has higher upside and that he is waiting to get away of CJ's shadow, on the other hand he only had one good season in his short career (his season high prior was 3.3 points) and in that season he didn't produce as much as Casspi.

Another example is Bazemore- a guy only a year younger than Casspi, who people look at as someone that can bring immediate value on offense- now to be clear: I think Bazemore is the better player, but production wise Casspi is very similar:

Casspi: 11.8 pts (48.1 FG%, 40.9 3pt%), 5.9 reb, 1.4 ast and 1.4 TO's in 27.2 minutes. PER 13.96, RPM +0.96 (16th amongst SF's)
Bazemore: 11.6 pts (44.1 FG%, 35.7 3pt%), 5.1 reb, 2.3 ast and 1.8 TO's in 27.8 minutes. PER 13.42, RPM -1.34 (39th amongst SF's)

So again with almost identical minutes (Bazemore played slightly more) Casspi have far better shooting%, 0.2 advantage on points, 0.8 reb, 0.4 less TO's, better PER and far better RPM with Bazemore having a 0.9 advantage on assists.
Now again, Bazemore is the better player here overall but Casspi gave the same production with more efficiency and you are going to tell me one of them is a near-max guy who would be a home-run and the other one can't be considered as a starter?
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Keep in mind that I think Casspi was their second best bench player last year, and I'm in no way advocating dumping him, but dumping Rudy (let's say for Stuckey) and promoting Casspi to starting role opens up a whole new can of worms where our perimeter is bereft of talent.

It would look like this.
PG: Collison (low end starter)
SG: Stuckey (role player)
SF: Casspi (borderline starter)

Maybe it fits better with Cousins, but just keeping Rudy and getting a SG pickup (let's say Bazemore) and the perimeter looks a lot more talented. (I'm assuming Rondo is gone)
PG: Collison (low end starter)
SG: Bazemore (mid level starter)
SF: Gay (Top 10-15 SF)
 
Sac.Kings

Sac.Kings

All-Star
#715
#715
Gotta let the crazy contracts die down a little. Even if we have to let some preferred players go elsewhere, it's not worth overpaying by so much that you handicap yourself as a team and organization.

With Rondo, I feel like Vlade is playing the ultimate game of poker and refuses to even blinker breathe. The market for Rondo is drying up quickly and we may be able to get him significantly cheaper than expected.

OTOH, Anderson may command an even higher salary than expected (possibly around 20 mill a year) with the way things are going, which isn't favorable for us. That's just too much, even if I like him.

Rudy is apparently being shopped actively, but for what? A PG or SG?

Are we really serious about Waiters? I have serious doubts about the price tag, but we can have interest.

What's going on with Crabbe? Are we talking to his agent or what?

Where did Vlade and Peja fly off to?

Lots of questions remain. Stay tuned!
 
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