Francis to Denver?
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Francis in Denver would be fun.
If we can't get Nene, there's always the draft if we end up in a highish position.
Francis in Denver would be fun.
If we can't get Nene, there's always the draft if we end up in a highish position.
Francis is Denver is fun for THEM. 
But actually the Nene to Orlando part is what really gets me intrigued. That could one of the great young frontcourt tandems we've seen in quite some time if Nene can come back from the knee. Should be a lot of fun to run into twin young 6'11" towers with our merry band of SFs.
But actually the Nene to Orlando part is what really gets me intrigued. That could one of the great young frontcourt tandems we've seen in quite some time if Nene can come back from the knee. Should be a lot of fun to run into twin young 6'11" towers with our merry band of SFs.
If that trade happened, Nene and Howard could well be the next Duncan-Robinson. That would indeed be scary...
The whole idea of Steve Francis playing for George Karl intrigues me, but only because I'd be taking wagers on how long it would take for Karl to park little Stevie's posterior on the bench for some of his antics.
The whole idea of Steve Francis playing for George Karl intrigues me, but only because I'd be taking wagers on how long it would take for Karl to park little Stevie's posterior on the bench for some of his antics.
Bricklayer said:
Nene/Howard becomes maybe THE frontcourt of the future in Orlando.
The last time the Magic franchise traded for a player who was in crutches was Grant Hill. Ever since, there has been a deep sense of amnemosity towards Hill due to his constant DNP and injuries. It will be discussed and compared ad nauseum in the papers and sports talk radio if Nene were to come to Orlando.
The problem is that the fans here have no trust in the front office. First you have the Grant Hill saga (Orlando lost Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups).
Then you have a hockey guy (no basketball experience at all) trade away your franchise player for Houston's troubles and spare parts.
Then, instead of doing their draft day homework, they draft Fran Vazquez while he was still signed to his contract in Spain and on his "word" that he would break that contract and play in the NBA. What did he do instead, decide to extend his contract and say he's not ready for the NBA.
If this trade goes through, they lose Steve Francis and gain a potential recurring injury with Nene. Let's say Nene turns into another Grant Hill, the Magic would have an injury riddled Nene and Kelvin Cato to show for Tracy McGrady.
Of course, this could turn out great and turn into a potential "Robinson/Duncan" type duo. But there is a lot of risk involved and considering Orlando has been burnt in the past, I'm not sure they can afford that risk.
That's as good a breakdown as you can make of Orlando's stumbling last few years. However, if they trade Francis for Nene/Watson they would literally be getting rid of one huge headache and they would get a good NBA pro in Watson and potential in Nene. Even if Nene does not work out, they are still rid of Francis and can commit to their young core.
That Howard guy is insanly good and can be indanely great.
That Howard guy is insanly good and can be indanely great.
It's not a question of what to save, it's what to salvage.
For T-Mac, the Magic got Mobley, Francis and Cato.
Mobley was traded to Sacto for Doug Christie who went on to be injured for the remainder of the year and eventually released.
Cato is always injured and basically a non-factor.
Francis is a headache but he is a proven talent and has value on the trade market.
If you trade a proven talent in Francis for potential and that potential doesn't pan out, then you truely have nothing.
Furthermore, Orlando does have a lot to save. Namely the franchise in Central Florida. Orlando has either the 3rd or 2nd worse attendance in the league. The TD Waterhouse center, like Arco, is completely out of date and there has been much debate over the past 5 years if the Orlando will have a franchise in the near future.
Steve Francis is at least a known name and puts some people in the seats. Nene does not have that same draw. Ask a casual basketball fan who Nene is and they'll shrug their shoulders.
The Magic need to trade Francis for another known all-star so you create excitement within the community. Keep Francis for the time being, let him play to raise his trade value. Then you go out and get another known player (like Pierce).
For T-Mac, the Magic got Mobley, Francis and Cato.
Mobley was traded to Sacto for Doug Christie who went on to be injured for the remainder of the year and eventually released.
Cato is always injured and basically a non-factor.
Francis is a headache but he is a proven talent and has value on the trade market.
If you trade a proven talent in Francis for potential and that potential doesn't pan out, then you truely have nothing.
Furthermore, Orlando does have a lot to save. Namely the franchise in Central Florida. Orlando has either the 3rd or 2nd worse attendance in the league. The TD Waterhouse center, like Arco, is completely out of date and there has been much debate over the past 5 years if the Orlando will have a franchise in the near future.
Steve Francis is at least a known name and puts some people in the seats. Nene does not have that same draw. Ask a casual basketball fan who Nene is and they'll shrug their shoulders.
The Magic need to trade Francis for another known all-star so you create excitement within the community. Keep Francis for the time being, let him play to raise his trade value. Then you go out and get another known player (like Pierce).
People get so scared of getting bad, even for a year or two. And then they turn into the Knicks desperately trying to hold on and hemmoraging fans left and right. NOTHING kills a fanbase quicker than mediocrity without hope. There is NOTHING to save. You are right. Orlando could very well lose its franchise. All they have to do is keep on doing what they are doing rather than taking a chance. Francis is in the way, and everyone in the league wants Nene. The Magic can get him while busting up a terrible team, and trade small for big in the process. That's a risk, but still a just do it scenario. Having a sourpuss like Francis who clearly doesn't want to be there isn't doing anything for the fanbase, and certainly not anything for the future.
Francis may be talented, but I don't see him fitting in with George Karl or the Nuggets, for some reason, although I'm sure he'd love to run with the Nuggets in the high altitude.
And he may prefer to play SG, but in my mind he's not really the type of SG the Nuggets need right now --- they need shooting, not scoring, and Francis is a scorer, not a shooter.
And he may prefer to play SG, but in my mind he's not really the type of SG the Nuggets need right now --- they need shooting, not scoring, and Francis is a scorer, not a shooter.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38987/20060205/francis_on_the_verge_of_being_dealt_to_denver/
I just did some research and there needs to be another Denver person involved. Watson makes 5 mil and Nene makes 3 mil while Francis makes 13.7 mil. That can't work under the CBA. Maybe if Denver involves Lenard (since he's been rumored) then it could work.
Also, with the above article, it seems that Nene and Watson would go to the third team and not Orlando. That means the Magic would be getting the players from either New York or Seattle.
By looking at salaries, I don't see how the players could come from Seattle, unless Fortson or Lewis were involved (but their names weren't involved in the article). But that's fine since the Magic do not need or want anyone from Seattle.
New York seems a more likely scenario. They have a lot of young talent that could benefit the Magic in the long run. Get a player like Channing Frye and an expiring contract (like Hardaway, irony) and they could make out alright.
But the Nene in Orlando looks like a pipe dream.
I just did some research and there needs to be another Denver person involved. Watson makes 5 mil and Nene makes 3 mil while Francis makes 13.7 mil. That can't work under the CBA. Maybe if Denver involves Lenard (since he's been rumored) then it could work.
Also, with the above article, it seems that Nene and Watson would go to the third team and not Orlando. That means the Magic would be getting the players from either New York or Seattle.
By looking at salaries, I don't see how the players could come from Seattle, unless Fortson or Lewis were involved (but their names weren't involved in the article). But that's fine since the Magic do not need or want anyone from Seattle.
New York seems a more likely scenario. They have a lot of young talent that could benefit the Magic in the long run. Get a player like Channing Frye and an expiring contract (like Hardaway, irony) and they could make out alright.
But the Nene in Orlando looks like a pipe dream.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38997/20060205/francis_deal_dead/
Well, looks like a young, athletic twin-towers front-line would of indeed been a reality...
Don't know if Denver would of been a good place for Ariza at all with Carmelo there and the already stacked swingman spots, probably would of traded him again anyways.
Well, looks like a young, athletic twin-towers front-line would of indeed been a reality...
Don't know if Denver would of been a good place for Ariza at all with Carmelo there and the already stacked swingman spots, probably would of traded him again anyways.
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Crawford's 6'5". Not that undersized. Has proven to be effective as a really good scorer, athleticism, and can play the point.
If you've watched the Knicks much the last 2 seasons, Ariza is a very athletic SF who is a good defender, finish at the hoop very well, and has a decent/solid jumper now. Still developing. He's been in LB's dog-house for some reason since late December/January, thus has barely played since.
If you've watched the Knicks much the last 2 seasons, Ariza is a very athletic SF who is a good defender, finish at the hoop very well, and has a decent/solid jumper now. Still developing. He's been in LB's dog-house for some reason since late December/January, thus has barely played since.
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