Ford: kings completely shunned by agents

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Doing research tonight for Mock Draft 10. Based on all the info I can find, the Kings only got 1 prospect ranked in our Top 30 in for a workout -- Wade Baldwin. They didn't even get medicals on most of the top 10 prospects. They've been completely shunned by agents.-chad ford

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0537434073136635788-4

As much as I wanna say ford is just doing the usual hot air talk.... I think this is probably right... Pretty sad... Although all the top prospects were extremely hard to get a hold of for all teams.... this year especially.

We need one good year next season more than anything.
 
This may be right but that still doesn't prevent the scouts and Vlade to attend the players workouts, for all we know, they did and it wasn't reported. There are too many rumors and tweets going on these days that your head will be spinning with truth and lies and in the process trying to make out which one is true.
 
In the world of "I couldn't possibly care less" this item by Chad Ford is right up there at the top.

I have faith in Vlade and Company. I trust that he knows what he's doing and who he's interested in pursuing.
 
(UPDATE)
Kings have No. 8, Jaylen Brown apparently the only top-10 guy who did competitive workouts. 8 is his floor. Are we laughing just to laugh?---TOM ZILLER

That’s fair. But Kings only got 1 player in Top 30, not Top 10. Big difference. Raps & Bucks didn’t have that issue--chad ford

Kings PR just called. Confirmed Baldwin only top player to workout in Sac. Said they got physicals for “nearly” all top 15 via other sources---chad ford
 
sactownfan said:
(UPDATE)
Kings have No. 8, Jaylen Brown apparently the only top-10 guy who did competitive workouts. 8 is his floor. Are we laughing just to laugh?---TOM ZILLER

That’s fair. But Kings only got 1 player in Top 30, not Top 10. Big difference. Raps & Bucks didn’t have that issue--chad ford

Kings PR just called. Confirmed Baldwin only top player to workout in Sac. Said they got physicals for “nearly” all top 15 via other sources---chad ford
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This is me admitting to falling for this douche bags propaganda... However tom zillers reply was classic.
 
sactownfan said:
(UPDATE)
Kings have No. 8, Jaylen Brown apparently the only top-10 guy who did competitive workouts. 8 is his floor. Are we laughing just to laugh?---TOM ZILLER

That’s fair. But Kings only got 1 player in Top 30, not Top 10. Big difference. Raps & Bucks didn’t have that issue--chad ford

Kings PR just called. Confirmed Baldwin only top player to workout in Sac. Said they got physicals for “nearly” all top 15 via other sources---chad ford
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Do we know for sure if Jaylen Brown worked out here?

Two sources it looks like.
 
lol I find this hysterical. Agents are saying, "hell no, me and my player do NOT want to come to Sacramento..stay away from us". Kings are saying, "HA, we got your players medical records anwayssss."

I've said this before, no one wants to come here. I've posted BOTH the Bucks and Raptors draft workout lists. Spoiler alert, they've brought in at least 5 guys in the top 30.

The Kings have only worked out 1, ONE TOP 60 prospect. (DraftExpress Big Board)

Wade Baldwin.

That is sad.

Even with that being said, whoever we draft, will not have a say anyways. Stuck with us forever. Good plan.
 
206Fan said:
lol I find this hysterical. Agents are saying, "hell no, me and my player do NOT want to come to Sacramento..stay away from us". Kings are saying, "HA, we got your players medical records anwayssss."

I've said this before, no one wants to come here. I've posted BOTH the Bucks and Raptors draft workout lists. Spoiler alert, they've brought in at least 5 guys in the top 30.

The Kings have only worked out 1, ONE TOP 60 prospect. (DraftExpress Big Board)

Wade Baldwin.

That is sad.

Even with that being said, whoever we draft, will not have a say anyways. Stuck with us forever. Good plan.
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Do you have the list of players all other teams have worked out?
 
206Fan said:
I've said this before, no one wants to come here.
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I don't buy it. Not to the degree that Chad Ford is selling it, anyway. Hell, Coach Joerger just chose Sacramento when he had other options. Caron Butler opted to stay here when he easily could have left and probably found a similar contract elsewhere.

Regardless, winning cures all. Always has, always will. Not too terribly long ago, nobody wanted to go to Oakland either. If this current FO remains stable and the team starts to have success, the narrative will change for the better.

Lastly, nobody can convince me that Milwaukee is a more desirable destination to anybody not from the immediate area. Not buying that at ALL.
 
It is a good sign that Butler stayed with the team. He also had positive things to say about the Kings in an interview. Now we need a good year so people begin to take us seriously. We should do well next year but I've had my spirits broken too often to count on it. :) I don't think this draft is crucial.






























































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KingsFanSince85 said:
I don't buy it. Not to the degree that Chad Ford is selling it, anyway. Hell, Coach Joerger just chose Sacramento when he had other options. Caron Butler opted to stay here when he easily could have left and probably found a similar contract elsewhere.

Regardless, winning cures all. Always has, always will. Not too terribly long ago, nobody wanted to go to Oakland either. If this current FO remains stable and the team starts to have success, the narrative will change for the better.

Lastly, nobody can convince me that Milwaukee is a more desirable destination to anybody not from the immediate area. Not buying that at ALL.
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KingsFanSince85 said:
I don't buy it. Not to the degree that Chad Ford is selling it, anyway. Hell, Coach Joerger just chose Sacramento when he had other options. Caron Butler opted to stay here when he easily could have left and probably found a similar contract elsewhere.

Regardless, winning cures all. Always has, always will. Not too terribly long ago, nobody wanted to go to Oakland either. If this current FO remains stable and the team starts to have success, the narrative will change for the better.

Lastly, nobody can convince me that Milwaukee is a more desirable destination to anybody not from the immediate area. Not buying that at ALL.
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Bosnian Diehard said:
Do you have the list of players all other teams have worked out?
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No I don't, but they randomly report it on NBA team sites.

KingsFanSince85 said:
I don't buy it. Not to the degree that Chad Ford is selling it, anyway. Hell, Coach Joerger just chose Sacramento when he had other options. Caron Butler opted to stay here when he easily could have left and probably found a similar contract elsewhere.

Regardless, winning cures all. Always has, always will. Not too terribly long ago, nobody wanted to go to Oakland either. If this current FO remains stable and the team starts to have success, the narrative will change for the better.

Lastly, nobody can convince me that Milwaukee is a more desirable destination to anybody not from the immediate area. Not buying that at ALL.
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Milwaukee is A LOT more desirable than Sacramento..... They have a guy named Giannis who can be a superstar. They have Khris Middleton, a top 10 SG. They also have a lot of potential with Jabari. Shot blocking big in John Henson.

The Bucks are just littered with talent. They have successfully developed Giannis and Middleton. Those guys are looking like stars right now. A 20yearold college kid would rather play for a young team full of talent that knows how to develop vs. a terrible team with a bad FO.

The most desirable is locations are probably: Minnesota, Milwaukee, then LA. Young talents that can grow all together.

Unless the Kings start winning and change things around, no one will want to come here. The FO has not proven the are "unbad". We brought in Joerger which is a good first move.

Oakland has the bay...and you know...things to actually do. Sacramento has........ everything else that is at least a 1hr drive.

Chad Ford has no reason to lie. It's not surprising that no one wants to come here. What do we have to offer that 29 other teams don't??? Serious question.
 
You know what guys? 5 years ago we didn't have trouble getting top picks to come in and work out for us but we had a decomposing arena and owners that were trying to steal the team and ship it off to any city that would give them a loan. Which situation is better? At this point we're just finding things to complain about. These are the same assholes who told us we didn't deserve a team as much as Seattle did. They can mock us all they want to -- we still have a team so the jokes on them.
 
hrdboild said:
You know what guys? 5 years ago we didn't have trouble getting top picks to come in and work out for us but we had a decomposing arena and owners that were trying to steal the team and ship it off to any city that would give them a loan. Which situation is better? At this point we're just finding things to complain about. These are the same assholes who told us we didn't deserve a team as much as Seattle did. They can mock us all they want to -- we still have a team so the jokes on them.
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I would also point out that Chad Ford is one of the least reliable people in sports, and always seems to be looking for a way to take a pot shot at Sacramento.
 
sactownfan said:
(UPDATE)
Kings have No. 8, Jaylen Brown apparently the only top-10 guy who did competitive workouts. 8 is his floor. Are we laughing just to laugh?---TOM ZILLER

That’s fair. But Kings only got 1 player in Top 30, not Top 10. Big difference. Raps & Bucks didn’t have that issue--chad ford

Kings PR just called. Confirmed Baldwin only top player to workout in Sac. Said they got physicals for “nearly” all top 15 via other sources---chad ford
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Jaylen Brown was the only guy, who was willing to do competitive workouts, but he asked, that Simmons, Ingram, Murray or Dunn be present at those. As a result Raps and Bucks watched Brown's workout, arranged by his agent, and Kings have been at a ton of arranged workouts.
 
It's probably not exactly true but I'm just recapping in my own head some of the guys that recently took less $ to go elsewhere etc.

I'm hopeful for today but used to little being done. To be honest I'd rather they trade the pick and get a given. Too tough to guess on who is gonna make it. I think even the Brick thought Nicky sauce was an NBA player. I don't even know who I'm rooting for them to draft. I want them to spend Max money on a proven B+ player and trade for another. Any A players will probably take less to go elsewhere.

I like the coach. Don't wanna be forced to stand pat.
 
I think there is a kernel of truth in Ford's article.

Vivek was an extremely high profile idiot in the first dumpster fire fiasco years of his ownership.

Vlade has been a much needed shot of stability, but it's going to take awhile for league perceptions of the Kings to change.

The Karl **** show hasn't really helped our cause either. WE all know he was a cancerous, toxic, mean spirited troll who coached like garbage to boot, but everyone outside of Sac thought we did HIM dirty, and that Vlade was a fool to pick Cuz over Mr. HOFer.

If things work out well this coming season, I'd imagine agents will start to think better of us, but until then it doesn't surprise me that they don't.
 
Gilles said:
Denver hadn't worked any of top-7 either, and nobody pokes them. It's a non-story.
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Kings have only worked out 1 prospect of our Draft Express' top 60. Denver has had a lot of top 60 prospects, but it's because they have a lot of draft picks.
That's a poor comp.
 
206Fan said:
Kings have only worked out 1 prospect of our Draft Express' top 60. Denver has had a lot of top 60 prospects, but it's because they have a lot of draft picks.
That's a poor comp.
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Robert Carter is in the top 60. :p And is one of 2 best prospects available in the second round, imho, of course.
Bratz mentioned after the first workout, that they had a general idea about top prospects, and would look to organize personal workouts for guys, they are interested in. Given, that most guys, that people put in 8-15 slots, are bigs, it's quite conceivable, that the only guy beyond top-7, Kings are interested in for #8, is Baldwin. Plus Denver has #15 and #19, so it's natural for them to look at anyone projected in the teens and later.
 
206Fan said:
Kings have only worked out 1 prospect of our Draft Express' top 60. Denver has had a lot of top 60 prospects, but it's because they have a lot of draft picks.
That's a poor comp.
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Not really. The Kings are being criticized for not seeing anyone that is a consensus top 10 player when they have the 8th pick.

Denver also hasn't seen any top 10 players when they have the 7th pick. It's good that they are getting in some guys projected to go later for those other picks but it's the #7 pick that is most important and they haven't worked out any of the guys that they are likely to draft there.

FWIW I think if the Kings had mid 1st round picks they would have seen a lot more guys from that range too. But with top 10 picks in a draft like this where outside of the top 2 guys are projected in a wider range than I've seen in a long time (I've seen Jaylen Brown anywhere from 3rd to 14th in recent mock drafts) agents don't want their guys working out for teams outside of the top five because (rightly or wrongly) they feel it lowers their perceived value.

Could the Kings have brought in guys like Malik Beasley (now predicted by DX to go as high as 12), Malachi Richardson, DeAndre Bembry, Diamond Stone etc? Probably, yeah. But would any of us want to see one of those guys drafted at #8?

If anything, I'm not reading that nobody wants to work out for the Kings but that (1) top 10 guys don't want to workout for hardly anyone and (2) the Kings either have no plans to trade down or feel their scouting of guys is good enough without workouts. I'd lean towards it being the former.
 
funkykingston said:
Not really. The Kings are being criticized for not seeing anyone that is a consensus top 10 player when they have the 8th pick.

Denver also hasn't seen any top 10 players when they have the 7th pick. It's good that they are getting in some guys projected to go later for those other picks but it's the #7 pick that is most important and they haven't worked out any of the guys that they are likely to draft there.

FWIW I think if the Kings had mid 1st round picks they would have seen a lot more guys from that range too. But with top 10 picks in a draft like this where outside of the top 2 guys are projected in a wider range than I've seen in a long time (I've seen Jaylen Brown anywhere from 3rd to 14th in recent mock drafts) agents don't want their guys working out for teams outside of the top five because (rightly or wrongly) they feel it lowers their perceived value.

Could the Kings have brought in guys like Malik Beasley (now predicted by DX to go as high as 12), Malachi Richardson, DeAndre Bembry, Diamond Stone etc? Probably, yeah. But would any of us want to see one of those guys drafted at #8?

If anything, I'm not reading that nobody wants to work out for the Kings but that (1) top 10 guys don't want to workout for hardly anyone and (2) the Kings either have no plans to trade down or feel their scouting of guys is good enough without workouts. I'd lean towards it being the former.
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Oh, I see the criticism now. That's a stupid criticism considering a lot of the top 5-7 prospects have not worked out for many teams....

I assumed our criticism was lack of players actually wanting to work out for the team. Apparently we worked out Robert Carter Jr too, but that still only gives us 2 players in the top 60.

I think Ford is right that many of the top prospects and their agents do not want to come here, but they'll have no choice at the end. Draft is getting intense with all the Celts/Sixers rumors right now. Hopefully at 8, the Kings can grab a top 10 prospect.
 
From Tom Ziller (in his newsletter "Good Morning! It's Basketball!):

FORCED INCOMPETENCE: Chad Ford reported late Wednesday that the Kings brought only one top-30 prospect -- Wade Baldwin -- in for a personal workout. (The Sacramento Bee had previously covered the topic in depth.) The man who goes by @basquiatball on Twitter, my second favorite Lakers fan on the internet, raised on interesting point about the supposed collusion of NBA agents to prevent their first-round prospects from working out with the Kings. Here are those thoughts.

[The Ford report] wouldn't be funny. Unforced incompetence is funny (until it's tragic), but this would be an instance of external third parties colluding (or having the effect of colluding) to deny a team the information and tools it requires to be competent. That would be a glaring failure of the system itself. It would undermine the basis upon which the market is built and is completely improper. I am sympathetic to players, especially rookies, having increased self-determination but within the system we actually have this can't be the mechanism for that. If there are legitimate issues agents and their clients have about mistreatment by a team they should be handled in an official manner. This would be a coordinated attempt to disenfranchise one specific team out of 30, and the league can't allow agents to decide to do that.

Amen.
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Totally agree with both Ziller and @basquaitball. My thought all along is that no potential player should be able to refuse to try out for any team. They're in the draft to join the NBA franchise; if they don't want to make themselves available for ALL teams who might draft them, they're making themselves more important than the league.

I'd like to see each potential draftee sign a letter of commitment or something when they declare for the draft that says they will not refuse to work out for any NBA team. Failure to do so should, IMHO, make them ineligible for the draft. And the agent who orchestrated the stunt should face SIGNIFICANT fines.

We all can name great players who were drafted by teams they didn't really want to go to, and I mean GREAT players. The majority of players pulling this stunt this year aren't anywhere near the category of great.

(Edit: The above comments are based on the assumption there is at least a kernel of truth to the allegations of some kind of collusion amongst agents.)
 
VF21 said:
From Tom Ziller (in his newsletter "Good Morning! It's Basketball!):



Totally agree with both Ziller and @basquaitball. My thought all along is that no potential player should be able to refuse to try out for any team. They're in the draft to join the NBA franchise; if they don't want to make themselves available for ALL teams who might draft them, they're making themselves more important than the league.

I'd like to see each potential draftee sign a letter of commitment or something when they declare for the draft that says they will not refuse to work out for any NBA team. Failure to do so should, IMHO, make them ineligible for the draft. And the agent who orchestrated the stunt should face SIGNIFICANT fines.

We all can name great players who were drafted by teams they didn't really want to go to, and I mean GREAT players. The majority of players pulling this stunt this year aren't anywhere near the category of great.

(Edit: The above comments are based on the assumption there is at least a kernel of truth to the allegations of some kind of collusion amongst agents.)
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Oh, I think the agents certainly are making power plays. A couple years ago they started having guys skip the combine, this year it seems like individual workouts are out in place of agent arranged group work outs. It's more than just the Kings.
 
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