FIVE-Team Blockbuster Completed...

HndsmCelt

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#31
Bricklayer said:
I ahve no idea what people are talking about.


1) James Posey is 28. If that's "aging", the Kings are in deep **** with their core. Had one injury plagued campaign. That is it. Miami traded AWAY their aging SF.

2) JWill is not the JWill of old, and averaged all of 9 shots a game last year. He's hardly fighting with anybody over shots, and still of course is a much better creator than Jones.

3) Antoine Walker is the only potential problem, and he'll be coming in off the bench as reinforcements ala Bobby and allowed, indeed encouoraged, to take over offensively. Furthermore, they basically got him for FREE as a major boost to their formerly punchless bench.
Age is reletive. Last year Pose only played 50 games, and in those games, his numbers were down. More important, but more subjective watching him he did not look the same BEFORE the injury(s) and definalty did not look right afterwards.

Granted J Will does not demad or take the shots he used to, but unfortunatly his shot selection and judgment did not get much better so only taking 9 shots a game still translates into 4 or 5 realy bad ideas.

Walker is walker and IF (BIG IF) he is not opposed to playing from the bench Brick may be right. On the other hand I can see Walker turning a benching behind Hslam into a personal issue... time will tell.

But hey like I said, Miami did well in the trade, I just don't think the deal is quite as aweet as many people are making it out to be. Good, maybe very good, but not great.
 

piksi

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#32
Heat is still not as good as Pistons and Spurs and the depend on the health of a player which expiration date is closing in
 
#33
bdouble013 said:
Amen chl. I can't believe that West or Ainge (ok maybe I believe that Ainge would) do this deal.

Did someone in Miami sell their soul to the devil?
Have you ever seen Pat Reily's hairdoo?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#37
VF21 said:
He wouldn't. They'd BOTH start:
Yep -- there were reports in the last few days that Riley had Twoine down in Miami to talk about his possible role on their team. Now I know what that must have been about -- must have been selling him on the idea of becoming a super-6th man and third scorer when Shaq or Wade went to the bench.
 
#39
i dont't get it? who gets who? ppl from the board are saying that boston gets watson and memphis gets banks but on the report none of those names are mentioned...

can sum1 please list the team ivolved in the trade and the players they recieve from the trade?
 
#40
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2122976

Updated: Aug. 3, 2005, 12:29 AM ET
Walker to Miami from Boston highlights megadeal

MIAMI -- In the largest trade in NBA history, Antoine Walker was dealt from Boston to Miami on Tuesday night in a transaction involving five teams and 13 players.


The Heat also acquired point guard Jason Williams and small forward James Posey from Memphis, while the Grizzlies received guard Eddie Jones from the Heat. The New Orleans Hornets and Utah Jazz were also involved in the deal.


The trade was larger than a 12-player, four-team deal in 2000 involving Patrick Ewing that had been the biggest in league history.


Miami also received Andre Emmett from Memphis and the draft rights to Roberto Duenas of Spain from the Hornets; Utah received Greg Ostertag from Memphis; Boston picked up Curtis Borchardt from Utah and a package -- Qyntel Woods, the draft rights to Spanish center Albert Miralles, two second-round draft picks and cash -- from Miami; New Orleans acquired Rasual Butler from Miami and Kirk Snyder from Utah; and the Grizzlies received guard Raul Lopez from the Jazz.


Hours after signing Shaquille O'Neal to a five-year deal, the Heat added three significant pieces to a roster that nearly reached the NBA Finals last season.


"We traded a lot, but we got back three quality players," said Heat president Pat Riley. "Antoine Walker is one of the very best multi-faceted, versatile players in this game. ... He is able to handle the ball, pass it, make plays, shoot 3's and rebound the ball. There isn't anyone in this league better at doing that."


Walker, a three-time All-Star, figures to become the starting small forward and would be backed up by Posey, one of the league's better defenders.


Walker signed a six-year deal worth nearly $53 million with Boston as of the deal's preliminary framework, and agent Mark Bartelstein said he appreciated the Celtics' willingness to help out their longtime forward.


"Antoine is thrilled," Bartelstein said. "This was a grueling process trying to put a sign-and-trade together. This took a lot of time and work and energy from a lot of people."


Williams would take over as Miami's starting point guard if Damon Jones leaves as a free agent.


Jones exits Miami after five years with the Heat.


"I spoke to him and he's appreciative of the five great years he's had in Miami," agent Leon Rose said. "He's proud that he's helped build something, although it's unfortunate that he won't be able to see it to fruition. But he wishes the organization nothing but the best."


Riley wished the three players leaving Miami well, especially Jones, whom he called "the consummate professional through thick and thin."


"I know he had fun and he was a major part of this," Riley said. "But in order to get something good back, you have to give up something good going out. I wish him nothing but the best."


Memphis acquired Borchardt earlier Tuesday in a deal in which Sacramento got Bonzi Wells from the Grizzlies in exchange for guard Bobby Jackson and Ostertag.


The Hornets did not give up any players under contract in the megatrade, which was approved by league officials late Tuesday night.


"Our cap flexibility is what allowed us to get these two players as part of this deal," Hornets general manager Allan Bristow said. "We were able to acquire two young, quality players while only giving up the rights to a player who has never appeared in a Hornets uniform."


Walker, who averaged 19.1 points and nine rebounds last season for Atlanta and Boston, will be a welcome addition to the Heat, said forward Udonis Haslem -- who formally signed his $30.7 million, five-year deal Tuesday.


"We're two different players and we can bring two different things to the table," Haslem said, a few hours before the trade got done. "If we put that together, we should have a pretty good tandem."


Miami reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals this past season -- even though O'Neal and Dwyane Wade were both hurt at the time. And not only was Jones a starter on that team, he was the Heat's best perimeter defender -- a role that Heat president Pat Riley and coach Stan Van Gundy have long valued.


Jones, a career 16.4-point-per-game scorer, averaged 12.7 in the regular season and 13.7 in the playoffs as Miami's third option.


"Eddie Jones is an All-Star caliber player who has had a terrific NBA career. He is a great 3-point shooter who will make an immediate impact on our offense, while also serving as a solid defender in the backcourt. We look forward to Eddie finishing his NBA career in Memphis," Grizzlies president Jerry West said.


Williams averaged 10.1 points and 5.6 assists for the Grizzlies last season. Riley likened his playmaking ability to Steve Nash and Jason Kidd.


"He is a very athletic, quick, explosive scorer and has great experience," Riley said. "One of the reasons why we are making the trade is that we haven't had anyone here like that since Tim Hardaway left."


Posey was limited to 50 games this past season because of injuries, and only 18 starts. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.4 rebounds.


The trade capped a flurry of activity by the Heat -- who moved quickly once the league's moratorium on player signings expired Tuesday at noon ET.


O'Neal was signed to a $100 million contract; the move was expected, although the contract was considerably smaller than what O'Neal figured to command.


Haslem said the team has full confidence in whatever personnel choices Riley and general manager Randy Pfund make.


"Since I've been here, they've made great decisions," Haslem said. "And I'm sure they'll make the right decision here."
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#42
Andriod_KiNg said:
The Article i just put up puts Walker as the starting SF :eek:
Possible. I would think they'd go with the defensive roleplayer though, and that the article is just written by a ahack assuming "big name = starter".

In any case, this is nto a bad lineup. Not bad at all:

C - Shaq
PF - Haslem
SF - Posey (for the moment)
OG - Wade
PG - Williams

SF/PF - Walker
C/PF - Mourning
PG - Jones (maybe) or Payton
PF - Simien
OG - Wright

Could maybe use a backup swingman type who can shoot. But other than that, they are set now to make some runs until Shaq completely breaks down.
 
#46
Miami's starting to get REALLY scary. I'd hate them if they didn't have Wade, but as it is, they're my number 2 team. Wade is the shiznit.
 
#47
I still think the Pacers wil give everyone in the east a run for their money. They will play with a lot of passion and determination and let's not forget they are ultra talented and also have a great coach. I think we will see the decline of Detroit next season with the departure of Brown. But i agree, the Heat are getting definately pilling up the ammo as with the Nets and Celtics. The balance is starting to shift.
 
#48
This is subtraction by addition. JWill and Chuck Walker are THE TWO dumbest three point chucking fools in the NBA. They take NINE threes a game between them. It would be a minor miracle if either of them cracked the 33% three point mendoza line. If I'm the Heat, I take Damon Jones (who can actually shoot threes and play defense) over JWill any day. Both JWill and Walker are going to eat up shots that should be taken by the Big Tablecloth and Wade. This DOES NOT make the Heat better.
 
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#49
NewMonkey said:
This is subtraction by addition. JWill and Chuck Walker are THE TWO dumbest three point chucking fools in the NBA. They take NINE threes a game between them. It would be a minor miracle if either of them cracked the 33% three point mendoza line. If I'm the Heat, I take Damon Jones (who can actually shoot threes) over JWill any day. Both JWill and Walker are going to eat up shots that should be taken by the Big Tablecloth and Wade. This DOES NOT make the Heat better.
We'll have to see if it makes them better or worse, but as they said on Sportscenter last night, this is a risky move at the very least. J-Will and Walker both require the ball and Shaq already complains (rightfully so) about not getting the ball enough, especially in the 4th quarter. This could create chemistry problem they weren't expecting...the Lakers East?
 

HndsmCelt

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#50
NewMonkey said:
This is subtraction by addition. JWill and Chuck Walker are THE TWO dumbest three point chucking fools in the NBA. They take NINE threes a game between them. It would be a minor miracle if either of them cracked the 33% three point mendoza line. If I'm the Heat, I take Damon Jones (who can actually shoot threes and play defense) over JWill any day. Both JWill and Walker are going to eat up shots that should be taken by the Big Tablecloth and Wade. This DOES NOT make the Heat better.
I tend to agree, but time will tell. I can however say unequivicolly that with J Will, Walker, and Shaq on the floor at one time that could be the DUMBEST line up in NBA history IQ wise.
 
#51
I just don't get why do you fill that if you change your starters oh you all the way. You see what happen,to Dallas,Lakers,Suns,.They had all the big names and look what happen to them and I think Miami is going to be in that class to cause you see that after getting Shaq they still didn't make to the final. It be best that you try to work with the same guys and not trying to change all the time.

That had always been Pat problem .
 
#52
Ify for Miami. They lose their best perimeter defender in Jones. Their 2 best 3pt shooters in EJ and soon to be Damon. Definately tougher inside this year but you have to have reliable shooters around Shaq and so far I don't see them.
 
#53
Freakout said:
Ify for Miami. They lose their best perimeter defender in Jones. Their 2 best 3pt shooters in EJ and soon to be Damon. Definately tougher inside this year but you have to have reliable shooters around Shaq and so far I don't see them.
Another thing everbody is going to be wanting the ball more.I thing when the nexts trade come a ride next years one of the staters is going to be gone.
 
#55
Why the heat broke a couple people on that team after almost making it to the finals is beyond me. If Shaq and Wade aren't banged up in the ECF they go to the Finals. Now they are going to have Jason Williams?? Who the **** wants Jason Williams running the show?? Shaq is going to HATE him. Oh and with Antoinne jacking up 3's randomly and not playing that good of defense, yeah Shaq will love that to.
 
#57
I do remember Shaq complaining, Walker has some problems in ATL too, J-Will is J-Will, and all that on a team with Wade who needs the ball to work... should be intresting.
 
#58
Andriod_KiNg said:
I do remember Shaq complaining, Walker has some problems in ATL too, J-Will is J-Will, and all that on a team with Wade who needs the ball to work... should be intresting.
Seems like a classic case of Cubanosis...big names...must get big names...
 
#59
This move adds a ton of talent to the Heat. I think they look at it like this: We have to beat the Pistons. This is move addresses the problems they ran into against the Pistsons.

One of their biggest problems in the ECF against the Pistons was that Wade was the only guy who could consistently bring the ball up against the relentless pressure and get them a decent posession with enough time still left on the shotclock. Damon Jones is a nice spot up shooter, but with his ballhandling and footspeed he's a liability. Jason Williams is a tremendous ballhandler and still one of the quickest guys in the game. It's one thing to play J-Will straight up and just let him make some mistakes it's another thing to try and make it a physical contest because he can outmanuever a guy with the ball in his hands any day. Him and Wade together should be able to murder any type of backcourt pressure. If you want to run an extra defender at one of them, someone is getting right to the rim or setting up a forward for a wide open shot.

Now if they re-sign Damon Jones, he'll have the reserve role he deserves and can handle better, so the move makes them better at both the starting and reserve point guard spot.

James Posey (when healthy) is just as good, if not better, than Eddie Jones. I'm jealous of the Heat getting Posey like he's just a throw-in. He can do a little bit of everything and he's pretty tough minded.

Walker could mess everything up, or he could fit in perfectly. He's the key to the trade, because it's going to be one of those two extremes, no middle ground. He didn't know how to be a 3rd/4th/5th scoring option in Dallas, but the Heat are legitimate title contenders so he might figure it out. Van Gundy is a better coach than Nelson, so he'll put Walker in better situations to succeed. He still has to prove that he can play off the ball much more and that he can be more selective in his shot attempts.

For everyone else involved, it's big shrug. All the talent went straight to Miami, it's kind of a crummy trade to set a record with. 5 teams, you start of hearing that Toine, J-Will and Posey are involved then you hear the rest of the names and it's just...
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#60
D-Mass said:
Seems like a classic case of Cubanosis...big names...must get big names...
Closer to talent...muct get talent.

Eddie Jones was 34 and averaged 12ppg last year. Damon Jones? Rasula Butler? Please. Miami had only one guy who could do anything against the Pistons last year, and that was Wade. The supproting cast was shaky at best. Now its not. A real Pg, a defensive stopper who could easily duplicate Jones' numbers, and a big time 6th man to give them that all-improtant third gun. More ballhandling. More passing. More scoring. Sign Jones back, or maybe NVE as the backup PG, and the shooting is fine as well. Be a tough team barring injuries. Balanced attack.