Fire Reggie Theus (revisited)!

[kupman]

VF, you point out the development of the kids as being a reason that Reggie could go (because he chooses to give the vets more minutes). However, you also pointed-out that the lack of defense could be another reason and I think that poor defense may be a the prime factor that gets Reggie canned.

The Maloofs have been saying for years now that they would like to see a better defensive product on the floor. Yet, we give teams lay-up after dunk after lay-up. We are currently 29th in the league in opp. field goal percentage. That is just above the Knicks and just below the Thunder - YIKES!

Reggie should be very worried.

 

[VF21]

I agree - in that I think it will be a combination of factors that gets him fired, if that in fact comes to be. What it won't be, however, is the win/loss record. And that, unfortunately, seems to be where he's still focused despite what he says in post-mortems after games like last night's.

 

[John Galt]

absolutely not unless Riley, Sloan, Pop, Adelman or PJax is available.

 

[bajaden]

Can anyone tell me what style of basketball the Kings are playing? Reggie said he wanted to constantly push the ball. But I see them walking it up the court as many times as they push the ball. He said he wanted to play the triangle offense. Has anyone seen it?

Are the Kings a good offensive team? I would say no, not at the moment. Are the Kings a good defensive team. I would say no! Have they improved in any of the areas mentioned? Are they more cohesive? Do they even look like they have a plan? To my mind, the answer is no, or at least, not much.

Are the youngsters being used in a way, that an objective outside observer would call instructive or constructive. Perhaps in Hawes place the answer would be yes to a degree, but certainly one could argue no.

Since the season began, has Thompson appeared to get better or does he appear to be regressing. To me its the later. Mostly, I beleive because he's being asked to play small forward when he was freaking center in college.

I'll ask again. What idenity do the Kings have, other than helter skelter. All the things I've mentioned are coach related. Its the coaches responsiblity to impose an identy on the team. We all know how a Phil Jackson, or a Pops team is going to play. Ditto Jerry Sloan. Their teams have an idenity, and are very well coached. The players know what their roles are and when there probably going to go into the game. They know for the most part, how many minutes they're going to play on any given night.

Reggie has failed on almost every count. At this point, it isn't about winning. Its about looking like there's a resemblence of a plan for winning in the future. This is an important moment in the Kingdom. If its not handled correctly the growth of the team could be set back a year or two.

 

[VF21]

absolutely not unless Riley, Sloan, Pop, Adelman or PJax is available.

Could you possibly explain in what alternate universe Reggie Theus' coaching should even be mentioned in the same breath as Riley, Sloan, Pop, Adelman or Jackson?

 

[John Galt]

Not by any means... that isn't what I'm trying to say.

I just don't want to swap Reggie, a newb coach with an excuse... for any of the tired old retreads usually mentioned.

The Kings have not surprised me at all this year. With Kevin's injury the icing on the cake we are just not a good team.

I don't think replacing Reggie will change that.

So I only want to switch coaches if it is for a top drawer guy.

That's what I mean... not that Reggie is remotely in that class.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Theres a risk associated with getting a new coach. I'm surprised honestly at how far we've gotten as a team with our "horrific" defense and worst opp 3pt% in the league, so that shows that we have talent. So in my mind 1 of two things could happen with a new coach.

Situation 1: New coach strikes the hearts of our kids and somehow eliminates the defense struggles and poor shooting. We go on to win a butt load of games and even make a playoff run. (becuase if we fix those problems i think most of us agree we could be an 8th seeder, considering how good we are even without half our team so far and our bad defense.) It would take a big win streak at several parts of the season but who says that can't happen with mr.perfect as our new coach. We will most likely miss the playoffs by a few games but at least we know who our leader is for the next few years and we go on to secure 6th spot in the 2010 playoffs. YAY!

Situation 2: New coach comes in and we discover it was actually Reggie who managed to keep us this good and the "talent" we saw was a result of his coaching rather than the actual players skill. On paper this makes sense because if you look at our team alot people barely even know who half our players are and honestly I dont blame them. Our team is basically made up player who would most likely be backups on any other team, aside from Miller, who we seem to be growing more and more discontent with. This puts us in the hunt for another coach after our mediocre season setting us back another 1-2 years because of our inability to find a serviceable coach. We get a 8th pick in the draft which helps but he doesn't turn our team around. We have another horrid season of "fire coach X" only to start the mess over again. Not Yay!

My point, there is none really, just what i think could happen.

 

[Kingster]

I'm leaning toward yes. The easy hanging fruit is Theus's refusal to play Thompson instead of Miki. Go figure on that one. I think Thompson is a better player right now than Miki Moore. Yes, he can get into foul trouble, but a lot of that has come when Theus plays him at the 3. And it's not like his foul trouble is keeping him out of games lately. Theus is keeping him out of games. Theus is fouling him out, not the refs.

Then there is Hawes. I don't get why he can't get more pt at the center position lately. Six minutes in the first half? Then he gets into the game with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when the game is nearly out of reach? He's the ONLY guy who can score in the low post and yet he's not been given minutes. People talk about the mistakes of the younger players, well look at the mistakes of Miller of the past couple of games. He made incredible bonehead passes for turnovers at key junctions of the game. Even if you believe that Miller and Hawes are relatively equal in skill at this point (which I don't), Hawes should be awarded significantly more minutes because he is the future. Like Thompson, he gets into foul trouble, but Theus apparently doesn't realize that it's SIX fouls when you have to sit on the bench.

Then I look at the confusion on the defensive side of the ball. There always seems to be confusion at some points in the game about who is supposed to guard who. It can't be that difficult. This last game at a critical time of the game it looked like half the team thought they were playing zone and the other half man to man. The Dallas guy is left unguarded at the 3 pt line and fires in the 3. It's also pretty amazing that the team only started guarding the 3 these past few games after Maloof complained publicly about it. They started playing a lot less zone (thank goodness) so that they could start doing it. But why did it take a Maloof to get that change enacted? They should have done that a LONG time ago.

On the positive side I do think that overall this team has played hard, but Theus is going to lose his young guys if he doesn't reward their play. When Spencer has six blocks in a game and you make him an afterthought that doesn't build moral. Theus also has it right that this team does need to get angry about getting their face rubbed into it. I couldn't agree more on that point.

After the New Jersey game, it was Theus who was affected more than anybody. His knee jerk reaction was to go with the vets, not stick with his young player development. It's been an abysmal failure. After all is said and done, I'm left wondering if Theus has enough smarts to be a good coach in this league.

 

[Kingster]

Can anyone tell me what style of basketball the Kings are playing? Reggie said he wanted to constantly push the ball. But I see them walking it up the court as many times as they push the ball. He said he wanted to play the triangle offense. Has anyone seen it?

Are the Kings a good offensive team? I would say no, not at the moment. Are the Kings a good defensive team. I would say no! Have they improved in any of the areas mentioned? Are they more cohesive? Do they even look like they have a plan? To my mind, the answer is no, or at least, not much.

Are the youngsters being used in a way, that an objective outside observer would call instructive or constructive. Perhaps in Hawes place the answer would be yes to a degree, but certainly one could argue no.

Since the season began, has Thompson appeared to get better or does he appear to be regressing. To me its the later. Mostly, I beleive because he's being asked to play small forward when he was freaking center in college.

I'll ask again. What idenity do the Kings have, other than helter skelter. All the things I've mentioned are coach related. Its the coaches responsiblity to impose an identy on the team. We all know how a Phil Jackson, or a Pops team is going to play. Ditto Jerry Sloan. Their teams have an idenity, and are very well coached. The players know what their roles are and when there probably going to go into the game. They know for the most part, how many minutes they're going to play on any given night.

Reggie has failed on almost every count. At this point, it isn't about winning. Its about looking like there's a resemblence of a plan for winning in the future. This is an important moment in the Kingdom. If its not handled correctly the growth of the team could be set back a year or two.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you talk about identity. For a while, I thought this team had an identity that was largely centered around the future of Hawes and Thompson. Remember when their length was giving teams difficulty at the defensive end and when they were hustling all over the floor? Then it seems like Theus just threw up his hands with the losing, and said, forget it, I'm playing the vets nearly all the critical minutes and throw the front office a bone now and then to develop Hawes and Thompson. I don't see a plan. I just see ad hoc moves that go from one extreme to the other. He's just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

 

[beb0p]

You've missed the point. Most of us are NOT talking about winning. We're talking about building for the future. I don't know what stats you've been looking at but Theus HASN'T been utilizing the kids as much as he could. Just as an example, compare Mikki Moore's minutes to Jason Thompson's. Both are power forwards; neither are going to win us games. Thompson is part of our future, while Moore is a recent addition who most likely won't be here past the end of the season.

In conclusion, you're making the assumption that if Theus is let go, we'll go outside to find an interim replacement. There's NO way at all to know if that's true or not. We have a LOT of assistant coaches sitting on the bench - and behind the bench - every night. For all we know, one of them could be temporarily promoted to finish out the year.

This is just more panic talk. The youngsters HAVE been getting minutes. Look who started last game, Donte Greene!! And Reggie let Greene played through a lot of, and I do mean a lot of, mistakes. The reason JT lost minutes to Moore is because he was constantly in foul trouble. You have to look at the big picture, the kids are getting minutes; maybe not 30+ mins every game but they don't need 30+ mins right now.

What I am against, is giving PT to the kids even if they didn't earn it. That's why I am weary of all this talk about: just play the kids. Well, you can't just throw them into fire like that because it could backfire. Maybe I'm old school, but the kids have to earn their playing time, and right now, only Hawes and JT have done that. And when you do play them, they should be on the floor with experienced vets so there are leadership on the floor. Needless to say, all this talk about just play as many kids for as many minutes as possible is not wise imo.

And lastly, an interim coach is an interim coach, regardless of whether he is one of Reggie's assistants or from the outside. No two coaches think alike, and even if you fire Reggie and promote from within, there is still going to be changes and adjustment. There are going to be some new sets and changes in philosophy. And it's going to take time for the team to get adjusted. All of which adds to the uncertainly and an unstable environment. The last thing we need, is more instability.

 

[VF21]

Donte Greene didn't start as part of an active program to develop youth. He started because there was pretty much no one else to take on the task.

Here's who was available:

Beno Udrih - started at the 1
Bobby Jackson - no way is he a 3
Bobby Brown - also not a 3
Quincy Douby - not gonna happen
John Salmons - a 3 starting at the 2 because of Martin's absence
Donte Greene - started at the 3
Francisco Garcia - just coming back from an injury
Jason Thompson - totally ineffective at the 3 as we already saw
Shelden Williams - not a 3
Mikki Moore - started at the 4
Brad Miller - started at the 5
Spencer Hawes - not a 3

Kevin Martin - injured
Kenny Thomas - injured

So just who was supposed to start at the three if not Donte?

Sorry, but we'll simply have to agree to disagree. And, for the record, it's NOT Donte Greene, who pretty much everyone admits is awfully raw, we're talking about. It's Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes...

Now, about Jason Thompson losing minutes to Mikki Moore because of fouls... What about all the fumbles and clumsy plays Moore has made since he came back from his injury? Should he be allowed to garner minutes in spite of those, while Jason languishes on the bench like a kid sent to his room for talking out of turn? Jason is a rookie in the NBA; he's supposed to make mistakes. And he'll learn not to make them if he's on the court. I can pretty much guarantee he won't learn much by riding the pine. Ask Gerald Wallace about that...

You're completely free to disagree with me and the others who've had enough, but it certainly doesn't make us wrong...or you wrong, for that matter. The mere fact it's being so actively discussed, however, should be sending up red flags throughout MSE... and the Theus camp. And I hope it is.

 

[Rookie]

Playing every young guys together at the same time and kicking all the vets to the curb is what I'm hearing.

Good idea..A coach that would not base on who play well but base on your age...awesom idea.

"Winning is not important...development..." yadda yadda...guess it aint true from readying this thread.

The two guys that most of us agreed could be good supportive players are Hawes and Thompson. From the last 6 games Thompson average 22.83 and Hawes average 29.5 min. They both mixed in with the starting line up....Thompson starting 5/6 games and Hawes 3/6. If that is not trying to get them ready for starting position I'm not sure what is?

Everyone on the team sucks here and there..I would rather wait for the end of the year to evaluate the team and Theus.

Expecting playoff? that's funny. I'm one of those who cheer for 50+ win this year but hell I'm not that off from reality not to know about the current situation.

We're all know that this team is going to suck bad..and now that it shows..we're ready to crucifice someone.

 

[Wuster]

I'm leaning toward yes, but if he stays we are almost assured of a very high pick next year.

 

[bajaden]

This is just more panic talk. The youngsters HAVE been getting minutes. Look who started last game, Donte Greene!! And Reggie let Greene played through a lot of, and I do mean a lot of, mistakes. The reason JT lost minutes to Moore is because he was constantly in foul trouble. You have to look at the big picture, the kids are getting minutes; maybe not 30+ mins every game but they don't need 30+ mins right now.

What I am against, is giving PT to the kids even if they didn't earn it. That's why I am weary of all this talk about: just play the kids. Well, you can't just throw them into fire like that because it could backfire. Maybe I'm old school, but the kids have to earn their playing time, and right now, only Hawes and JT have done that. And when you do play them, they should be on the floor with experienced vets so there are leadership on the floor. Needless to say, all this talk about just play as many kids for as many minutes as possible is not wise imo.

And lastly, an interim coach is an interim coach, regardless of whether he is one of Reggie's assistants or from the outside. No two coaches think alike, and even if you fire Reggie and promote from within, there is still going to be changes and adjustment. There are going to be some new sets and changes in philosophy. And it's going to take time for the team to get adjusted. All of which adds to the uncertainly and an unstable environment. The last thing we need, is more instability.

If were going with your senario of having to earn it, then lets look at the stats.

Miller- 35mpg- avg 12.4 ppg- .335 pt/min
Hawes- 29mpg- avg 12.4 ppg- .433 pt/min
Moore- 23mpg- avg 5.9 ppg- .259 pt/min
Thompson- 26mpg- avg 10.7 ppg- .418 pt/min

The only advantage Miller has over Hawes is experience in the league and and a better knowledge of the vet players. Other than that, Hawes is a better defender and rebounder, and can score in a greater variety of ways. He jumps higher and runs the floor better and simply brings more energy.

As for Moore and Thompson, once again its just league experience. Thompson, despite his lack of experience is simply better than Moore in every way. Scoring, Rebounding, etc. Moore's one advantage is knowing where to be on defense. And just for the record, simply taking a charge does not in of itself make you a good defensive player. How about grabbing a couple of defensive rebounds.

At this moment in time. Thompson and Hawes are as good as or better than Miller and Moore. They also happen to be our future, so they need to get better. If all they lack compared to the other two is experience, then it would seem to me the best way to get, said experience, is to put them on the floor and let them play.

Just for the record. Thompson didn't lose his starting job to Moore because Moore was better than him. Hawes did! Thompson was playing SF, not PF. You look me in the eye and you tell me that you think Moore is better than Hawes, and I'll tell you that you know nothing about basketball. Fact is, I know you won't do that, because you know the truth.

Thompson did make mistakes and did get into foul trouble. But he was playing out of position. He played center in college and mostly in the low post. Put the kid in his rightful position and let him play. Its hard enough for a rookie in this league. Anyone remember Corliss. He played center in college. Look how long it took him to adjust to playing SF. With Corliss there wasn't a choice. He was vertically challenged. Thompson isn't. We finally have a 6'11'' PF, and what do we do, we try and make him a SF.

Go figure!

 

[beb0p]

You're completely free to disagree with me and the others who've had enough, but it certainly doesn't make us wrong...or you wrong, for that matter. The mere fact it's being so actively discussed, however, should be sending up red flags throughout MSE... and the Theus camp. And I hope it is.

You're right VF21, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. There was lots of ways Reggie could have filled in the 3 without playing Greene. Move Salmons to the 3 and play Douby/BJax at the 2, or yank Greene as soon as the smallish Jason Terry enters the game and go with BJax/Douby at the 2. But Reggie let Greene played. I think this move has been taken for granted.

Cheers.

 

[beb0p]

If were going with your senario of having to earn it, then lets look at the stats.

Miller- 35mpg- avg 12.4 ppg- .335 pt/min
Hawes- 29mpg- avg 12.4 ppg- .433 pt/min
Moore- 23mpg- avg 5.9 ppg- .259 pt/min
Thompson- 26mpg- avg 10.7 ppg- .418 pt/min
We finally have a 6'11'' PF, and what do we do, we try and make him a SF.

Go figure!

You make it sounds like as if I don't want to play the kids. I most certainly do. But there's a right way and many wrong ways to approach this. I don't want to just hand them minutes, I want the kids to take it! All I want is for the coach to give opportunities to the youngsters and Reggie has done that.

There's no question that JT and Hawes have outplayed the vets for the most part, but they haven't performed to the point where it justifies giving them 35+ mins every night. The game against Dallas is a good example, Moore outplayed JT in that game. Simple as that. In other words, JT didn't earn the right to play more than Moore, for that one game at least. We have to look at the big picture, even while we're developing kids, we have to be fair to the vets. Again, the kids need to take the minutes from the vets. They shouldn't rely on free minutes just because we're rebuilding. If JT blows up in the near future and Theus still gives Moore more mins then there's a case to be made of coaching incompetence. But it hasn't happened. None of the kids are outplaying the vets on a consistent basis or to the point where a starting job and 35+ mins is justified.

Making JT a SF is just a temporary move for a team that is short-handed. If Theus wants to reply on vets, he could have activated KT9 to play SF. He didn't. It's obvious he wants to play JT and he's being creative about it. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer JT getting 30 mins split between SF and PF than 15mins at PF.

What Theus is doing is how a coach should bring along young players. Just look around the league and you see Ryan Gomes and Craig Smith getting mins at the expense of Kevin Love or Przybilla splitting time with Oden. We're talking 20 games into a potentially over a decade career, patience is the name of the game.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Sorry, but we'll simply have to agree to disagree. And, for the record, it's NOT Donte Greene, who pretty much everyone admits is awfully raw, we're talking about. It's Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes...

This was the only game I got to go to this year, hooray for me, and both Jason and Spencer got yanked in the second quarter for back to back turnovers. There has to be some consequence for sloppy play. As for starting Mikki, I am think Reggie was hopping to give Jason more playing time by not starting him out on Dirk who was getting some D. Wade treatment from the Refs.

Reggie does deserve some criticism for are offensive confusion and defensive struggles, but he does have the worst starting 5 in the NBA right now. We have two undrafted players 1 26th pick and 2 28th picks starting. Right now this team lives and dies by John Salmons so that means we are going to lose a ton of games.

So I voted no, I would reevaluate if Petrie would shake up this roster, but right now Reggie is doing as well as can be expected.

 

[Jerryaki]

The last thing we need, is more instability.

considering that the alternative is our current level of play, lack of identity, nonchalant attitude, and all around general suckitude, i think i'd roll the dice with instability. but that's just me.

 

[bajaden]

You make it sounds like as if I don't want to play the kids. I most certainly do. But there's a right way and many wrong ways to approach this. I don't want to just hand them minutes, I want the kids to take it! All I want is for the coach to give opportunities to the youngsters and Reggie has done that.

There's no question that JT and Hawes have outplayed the vets for the most part, but they haven't performed to the point where it justifies giving them 35+ mins every night. The game against Dallas is a good example, Moore outplayed JT in that game. Simple as that. In other words, JT didn't earn the right to play more than Moore, for that one game at least. We have to look at the big picture, even while we're developing kids, we have to be fair to the vets. Again, the kids need to take the minutes from the vets. They shouldn't rely on free minutes just because we're rebuilding. If JT blows up in the near future and Theus still gives Moore more mins then there's a case to be made of coaching incompetence. But it hasn't happened. None of the kids are outplaying the vets on a consistent basis or to the point where a starting job and 35+ mins is justified.

Making JT a SF is just a temporary move for a team that is short-handed. If Theus wants to reply on vets, he could have activated KT9 to play SF. He didn't. It's obvious he wants to play JT and he's being creative about it. Nothing wrong with that. I prefer JT getting 30 mins split between SF and PF than 15mins at PF.

What Theus is doing is how a coach should bring along young players. Just look around the league and you see Ryan Gomes and Craig Smith getting mins at the expense of Kevin Love or Przybilla splitting time with Oden. We're talking 20 games into a potentially over a decade career, patience is the name of the game.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Yeah, Moore did outplay Thompson for one game. What I gave you were the stats for the year so far, which is what I go on. Playing Thompson at SF might be creative and get him some additional minutes, but it may also hurt his confidence and growth.

Look, Hawes is going to get his minutes, because he's probably a better all around player than Miller or Moore right now. He just lacks experience. To me, putting the bigs in order of ability, I would rank them Hawes, Miller, Thompson, and Moore. I would give them playing time in that order.

Look around the league and you tell me how many teams Moore would be starting for. He's a backup center, Power Forward. And he's not even one of the better one's. I don't care about his feelings. I care about the Kings. A team he's not going to be a part of much longer. Look at what Portland did. They dumped all the vets and stuck young guys on the floor. Its worked out fairly well for them. Of course Pritchard didn't give his coach much of an option. Maybe Petrie should do the same.

 

[Kingster]

If were going with your senario of having to earn it, then lets look at the stats.

Miller- 35mpg- avg 12.4 ppg- .335 pt/min
Hawes- 29mpg- avg 12.4 ppg- .433 pt/min
Moore- 23mpg- avg 5.9 ppg- .259 pt/min
Thompson- 26mpg- avg 10.7 ppg- .418 pt/min

The only advantage Miller has over Hawes is experience in the league and and a better knowledge of the vet players. Other than that, Hawes is a better defender and rebounder, and can score in a greater variety of ways. He jumps higher and runs the floor better and simply brings more energy.

As for Moore and Thompson, once again its just league experience. Thompson, despite his lack of experience is simply better than Moore in every way. Scoring, Rebounding, etc. Moore's one advantage is knowing where to be on defense. And just for the record, simply taking a charge does not in of itself make you a good defensive player. How about grabbing a couple of defensive rebounds.

At this moment in time. Thompson and Hawes are as good as or better than Miller and Moore. They also happen to be our future, so they need to get better. If all they lack compared to the other two is experience, then it would seem to me the best way to get, said experience, is to put them on the floor and let them play.

Just for the record. Thompson didn't lose his starting job to Moore because Moore was better than him. Hawes did! Thompson was playing SF, not PF. You look me in the eye and you tell me that you think Moore is better than Hawes, and I'll tell you that you know nothing about basketball. Fact is, I know you won't do that, because you know the truth.

Thompson did make mistakes and did get into foul trouble. But he was playing out of position. He played center in college and mostly in the low post. Put the kid in his rightful position and let him play. Its hard enough for a rookie in this league. Anyone remember Corliss. He played center in college. Look how long it took him to adjust to playing SF. With Corliss there wasn't a choice. He was vertically challenged. Thompson isn't. We finally have a 6'11'' PF, and what do we do, we try and make him a SF.

Go figure!

Great post. It substantiates the notion that Miller isn't better than Hawes and that Miki isn't better than Thompson. Even if one were trying hard to play devil's advocate, the best one could come up with was that Miller and Hawes are roughly equal, as are Miki and Thompson. But you don't play the older guy if they are roughly equal on a rebuilding team, you play the younger guy. Like you said, "Go figure!"

 

[Kingster]

This was the only game I got to go to this year, hooray for me, and both Jason and Spencer got yanked in the second quarter for back to back turnovers. There has to be some consequence for sloppy play.

Have you watched the play of Miller and Moore lately? Miller has thrown some gawdawful passes at critical times of the game and Moore has been his pathetic invisible self. You can't just look at rookie errors, look at the veteran errors. If Theus would jerk the vets out of the game for the brain-dead things they've done over the past couple of games, they all would be recovering from whiplash.

 

[Gary]

I believe Martin means more to the team than any other player we have.. I know Theus is supposed to adjust though...

Basically people are hard on Theus if he doesn't play the youngans, and the same people are hard on him when he does and we lose. It's a no win situation for Theus unless some of the people lighten up on him and let him do his thing. We knew this team was going to suck. We are rebuilding, and getting a new coach ever year is not going to help anything. Once Martin is back we will be playing .450 ball again and will have a top ten pick just like you all wanted.

Frankly I would rather get rid of Salmons, and Beno than Theus. Hell, maybe Moore too in favor of playing the young guys. Beno is just a horrible PG to be starting, and Salmons is worth an all time high right now. I like Salmons for his creating ability but he's worth about as much as he will be with his low salary, and high production in the absense of Martin.

 

[NME]

Basically people are hard on Theus if he doesn't play the youngans, and the same people are hard on him when he does and we lose.

But worst of all is when he doesn't play the youngans AND we lose, which is what we're seeing lately.

I'm perfectly willing to accept losing for the purpose of building our future, but not while trotting out a lineup of dead-enders.

 

[TheFifthMookie]

IFrankly I would rather get rid of Salmons, and Beno than Theus.

I totally agree here. I want the youngsters, win or lose, taking those 'close game' shots as they come up. its the only way for those guys to get better, or for the team to genuinely evaluate their abilities.

 

[Kingzrool]

Who exactly would be PG? Please keep Beno for now.

 

[Gary]

Who exactly would be PG? Please keep Beno for now.

I couldn't care less.. Anyone but Beno right now. He sucks.. We could get use Jackson to bring the ball up and Brown could do the same. But in next years draft we NEED to draft a PG. Beno is not the answer at PG for the future.

It's the same story every night with Beno.. He tries to split defenders and ends up dribbling off his foot or losing the ball. This happens like 3-5 times a night it seems. He should not be doing that over and over if it's not working.

 

[Rockmeister]

Who exactly would be PG? Please keep Beno for now.

And please don't say Quincy Douby

 

[Gary]

And please don't say Quincy Douby

Oh hell no.. I was one of the people that came out and said "DO NOT CALL DOUBY A PG!" heh.. He's an undersized SG and should not even be listed as a PG.

 

[FakeInjury]

I was thinking about this 3 minutes into the mavs game. that he should be literally gone by halftime. He can't motivate his team he can't teach them to be better and he can't help them win games. Didn't reggie say, and i quote "this team lacks leadership"....I was laughing when i heard him say that. It would be more entertaining if the malloofs promised Theus he would be fired if the kings loose once more. Or if theus had to beg for his job after the game, and the fans got to vote.

 

[bajaden]

I believe Martin means more to the team than any other player we have.. I know Theus is supposed to adjust though...

Basically people are hard on Theus if he doesn't play the youngans, and the same people are hard on him when he does and we lose. It's a no win situation for Theus unless some of the people lighten up on him and let him do his thing. We knew this team was going to suck. We are rebuilding, and getting a new coach ever year is not going to help anything. Once Martin is back we will be playing .450 ball again and will have a top ten pick just like you all wanted.

Frankly I would rather get rid of Salmons, and Beno than Theus. Hell, maybe Moore too in favor of playing the young guys. Beno is just a horrible PG to be starting, and Salmons is worth an all time high right now. I like Salmons for his creating ability but he's worth about as much as he will be with his low salary, and high production in the absense of Martin.

Il contrare mi amigo. I have never complained about the losing. I've complained about how we lost. You would be hard pressed to point out a situation where the youngins lost us the game. Thats the problem! Its the vets that are losing us the game. Now is Reggie starts playing the young players more than the vets and we lose, and I complain about losing, your welcome to slap me around. But I won't. I don't expect a winning team this year.

If Reggie continues to do what he's been doing, he's going to be fired. If not now, then at the end of the season. If he starts playing the young players more and they start to improve and the team becomes more competitive, he may save his job.

To me, this is a black and white issue. Right now, Reggie is starting the vets, and he's also playing them at all crucial times in the game, with the exception of maybe Hawes, and even with him there's no consistancy of when he plays. And, were losing. To me, thats the worst of both worlds. The young guys aren't playing, and the team is losing anyway. Now thats a sure way to get fired.

If you want to keep the same starting lineup, fine. Then bring Hawes, Thompson, Greene and Brown off the bench at the same time half way through the first quarter. Let them play together. If one gets in foul trouble, bring a starter back in. But do your best to get them all at least 25 minutes a game. More if they're playing well.