SacTownKid
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Might be, but it's hard to judge when things are so out of whack everywhere else.
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Might be, but it's hard to judge when things are so out of whack everywhere else.
kingsboi
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no scheme adjustment will matter when the personnel doesn't mesh
SacTownKid
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Mesh how? Usually meshing is offensive oriented. The Kings offense is still top 10 even with all they've gone through and the 3 point woes. The Kings don't lack 3 point shooting ability, it's the 3 point shooters they have aren't hitting like normal. However, defense isn't really about meshing, it's about you have defenders or you don't and from there you have a scheme that makes sense or you don't.
kingsboi
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offensive oriented? I think not. you need a cohesive unit on both ends of the court to prosper. What coach wants the guys to do and what they do instead shows me that its either a basketball IQ issue or a personnel issue, or perhaps its a combination of both.
GWD
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Curious about what you consider a "personnel issue". Is it between parties, i.e. player/player or coach/player, or GM/coach/players, or owner/the whole shebang? Maybe you mean something else. I'm interested in your take.
Kingster
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I agree about the first part. And I can't say you're wrong on the second part because how exactly does one know if he is being impatient or prudent? Sometimes it's nearly impossible to tell. All I can tell you is that if I were acting GM I'd be listening to offers about all Kings' players to see all available options. I wouldn't predetermine that I'd wait until the end of the season. If the offers are garbage, then being patient would be a lot easier for me to deal with (and sell to Vivek). If there are enticing offers, however, then BOOM, pull the pin.
Folsomkingsfan
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Fox, Sabonis, and DeRozan are all below average defenders and none of them are major floor spacers. Unless Keegan not only turns it around, but improves significantly on last year as well, I don't see a way where this team works. There is no coach out there who is going to magically turn our 'big 3' into the things we need them to be at this point in their careers.
Vinny Basketballerino
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SacTownKid
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Sure, but a team full on non defenders is always going to be a team full of non defenders. If you're a scheme team to make up for a lack of defensive tools as a coach you play towards your abilities, not your pitfalls, it's that simple.
GWD
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Are you sure that the defensive scheme is not Mike Brown's and Luke is hired to implement it? It is hard to believe that Brown has no input and gives an assistant carte blanche to fully run the team's defense. Maybe delegate some of the mundane tasks but to turn over the entire defensive philosophy to an underling doesn't seem likely.,,especially if it is not working.
Caccia
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Enter Mr. Monk, the floor spacer and chaos creator extraordinaire.
iowamcnabb
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Fox is not a below average defender
Regardless of this or not, Brown as the "CEO" of the staff at some point has to step in and change something with our 3pt defense. We just aren't going to win games giving up the 2nd most 3PA and the 2nd worst 3pt %. No matter how well we play in other areas (which I think have been pretty solid for most of the year, our own shooting aside).
Livinthedream
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Has probably said somewhere recently on here, but Jordy Fernandez was the coach the first few years.
Kingster
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Is there some proof that Brown is a detached observer of the defense? I find it beyond belief that he sits in apathy on the bench and doesn't get involved with the team in film and practice sessions. Seems very much an un-Brown thing to do.
detached observer is probably a bit harsh, but the announcing crew always harps on how Loucks is the defensive coordinator and how he runs the defense, etc.
Kingster
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By that logic, any HC who has a defensive coordinator isn't involved in the defense of the team. Maybe Brown is intimately involved in the filmwork and strategy with Loucks and it still isn't working. .
SacTownKid
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The more I think about it, this could be a multiple part thing going on. Clearly the philosophy is a Brown one or at least in some part OK with him since they've been using this defense since he got here. However, Luke is running the in game management of that philosophy and indeed, he might be falling short when calling out adjustments and what not. You can definitely see both DC and Loucks up off the bench more than a few times a quarter yelling out assignments.
kingsboi
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absolutely. scheme wise, no coach will be able to do much when the last line of defense is Sabonis or an empty space in the paint
We all want to pin the blame on that one person we didn’t already like.
This video – with interview clips from Mike Brown – suggest it’s the players who can’t / don’t execute. It’s a bit surprising to me that a team whose core has been together for more than 2 full seasons, under the same coaching staff, can be this bad at executing a game plan. Especially with the same issues seemingly present again and again and again.
Maybe they don’t understand the game plan/ it hasn’t been communicated to them effectively? They are not on the same page, or they don’t fully trust each other? They don’t have the attention span to play both sides of the ball for 48-minutes? Or is there is a lack of leadership on defence? We run a lot of the offence through Sabonis, Fox, Monk, and now DeMarr. But the guys we rely on for defence (Keegan, Keon) are younger and quieter. Do we need a Draymond (ugh) style defensive captain?
This video – with interview clips from Mike Brown – suggest it’s the players who can’t / don’t execute. It’s a bit surprising to me that a team whose core has been together for more than 2 full seasons, under the same coaching staff, can be this bad at executing a game plan. Especially with the same issues seemingly present again and again and again.
Maybe they don’t understand the game plan/ it hasn’t been communicated to them effectively? They are not on the same page, or they don’t fully trust each other? They don’t have the attention span to play both sides of the ball for 48-minutes? Or is there is a lack of leadership on defence? We run a lot of the offence through Sabonis, Fox, Monk, and now DeMarr. But the guys we rely on for defence (Keegan, Keon) are younger and quieter. Do we need a Draymond (ugh) style defensive captain?
I think the players start out running the defensive gameplan but during the course of the game they make mistakes from play to play and a disciplined offensive team like the Spurs is good at exploiting the extra space created by that lack of focus. Things can snowball pretty fast when the open shots are threes instead of twos.
This defensive scheme does ask a lot of the players but with so many shooters on the floor now, there's really no better way to do this. In an ideal world all 5 players on the floor will rotate defensively to deny passing/driving lanes and fill up open space like they share the same brain. In the real world where there are 3 or 4 games a week often with flights in between, guys are in and out of the lineup because of injuries, and there has been very little time to run through these schemes in practice and reinforce the way the rotations should work there are going to be mistakes. Maybe even a lot of mistakes. Part of what this group is doing wrong from my point of view is that they react poorly to those mistakes and end up giving the other team confidence because they aren't able to let it go and re-sharpen their focus in the moment.
Where I think this team in particular gets themselves into trouble is that we do have a lot of players who love to score the basketball. And because of that we slip into this mentality that we will dig ourselves out of these holes we get into by outscoring our opponent first and then we'll recommit to playing defense the right way. That's just not going to work. Get the defensive stop first to keep the other team's score where it is then convert your possessions into points. That will gradually eat into the other team's lead. Bottom line is we need to evolve from playing fast and loose to playing fast and tight. And that starts with recognizing that a stop is just as important as a made basket.
Caccia
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Here is an analysis of Coach Brown's failures, published today. It's hard to argue with a lot of it:
https://kingsherald.com/articles/sacramento-kings-record-stats-head-coach-rumors/
https://kingsherald.com/articles/sacramento-kings-record-stats-head-coach-rumors/
iowamcnabb
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If Mike gets let go, I don’t want an automatic internal hire. Mitch Johnson is going to be the hot name on the market next off season. Still hoping we turn this around and can forget about this
ShastaKingsFan
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He hasn't helped things, that's for sure. Hard to imagine that he was handed the coach of year award just over a year and half ago, yet here we are.
A good point in the comment section there, was talking about why would someone like Keon Ellis want to resign with the Kings, with the way he's been jerked around? Take it to the bank that there will be lots of teams interested in him.
Browns rotational strategy or lack of, has been awful
Elektrik
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Not ready to go there yet. Still have hope. Brutal schedule to start the season with key players out. Working DDR into the schemes. No length (not Coaches fault). No one can make 3’s, coach or GM? No one can guard 3’s. Add the constant trade chatter where key players don’t know if they are staying or going. I know they’re supposed to be professionals but it has to mess with their heads. Idk, perhaps the players need to take a hard look at themselves. In other words, maybe that’s where the blame should lie.
captain bill
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Fortunate we have a team option next year, I was briefly terrorized he was going to be a FA this offseason which would almost certainly see him leave.
Realistically it would have to be an off-season move. Maybe if Jordi was still on the bench we could promote him and see what he could do, but I don’t think we have someone ready to do a mid-season turnaround that would justify pulling the plug on MB early. And I still think he was a great hire and want to at least give him the benefit of this season to prove something.
we would be a much more desirable landing spot than last time around in any case
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