FIRE MIKE BROWN

[SacTownKid]

when I'm talking about foundation, I'm referring to the players. This trio of players will not get much done in my opinion but I still think it's fair to let them play this season out and see where they stand in the off season before making the changes that are necessary. Fox extension looming, it's going to be very tricky if you have Sabonis and DeRozan on payroll too with a sub par ball club.

Might be, but it's hard to judge when things are so out of whack everywhere else.

 

[kingsboi]

Might be, but it's hard to judge when things are so out of whack everywhere else.

no scheme adjustment will matter when the personnel doesn't mesh

 

[SacTownKid]

no scheme adjustment will matter when the personnel doesn't mesh

Mesh how? Usually meshing is offensive oriented. The Kings offense is still top 10 even with all they've gone through and the 3 point woes. The Kings don't lack 3 point shooting ability, it's the 3 point shooters they have aren't hitting like normal. However, defense isn't really about meshing, it's about you have defenders or you don't and from there you have a scheme that makes sense or you don't.

 

[kingsboi]

Mesh how? Usually meshing is offensive oriented. The Kings offense is still top 10 even with all they've gone through and the 3 point woes. The Kings don't lack 3 point shooting ability, it's the 3 point shooters they have aren't hitting like normal. However, defense isn't really about meshing, it's about you have defenders or you don't and from there you have a scheme that makes sense or you don't.

offensive oriented? I think not. you need a cohesive unit on both ends of the court to prosper. What coach wants the guys to do and what they do instead shows me that its either a basketball IQ issue or a personnel issue, or perhaps its a combination of both.

 

[GWD]

offensive oriented? I think not. you need a cohesive unit on both ends of the court to prosper. What coach wants the guys to do and what they do instead shows me that its either a basketball IQ issue or a personnel issue, or perhaps its a combination of both.

Curious about what you consider a "personnel issue". Is it between parties, i.e. player/player or coach/player, or GM/coach/players, or owner/the whole shebang? Maybe you mean something else. I'm interested in your take.

 

[Kingster]

Christie as head coach? Come on. How about Bibby as GM? Oh wait, kinda tried it with the failed Vlade experiment. Maybe not.

Yeah, let's have a coaching carousel. That will make it all better. We know because we tried it before and it worked out wonderfully.

 

[Kingster]

when I'm talking about foundation, I'm referring to the players. This trio of players will not get much done in my opinion but I still think it's fair to let them play this season out and see where they stand in the off season before making the changes that are necessary. Fox extension looming, it's going to be very tricky if you have Sabonis and DeRozan on payroll too with a sub par ball club.

I agree about the first part. And I can't say you're wrong on the second part because how exactly does one know if he is being impatient or prudent? Sometimes it's nearly impossible to tell. All I can tell you is that if I were acting GM I'd be listening to offers about all Kings' players to see all available options. I wouldn't predetermine that I'd wait until the end of the season. If the offers are garbage, then being patient would be a lot easier for me to deal with (and sell to Vivek). If there are enticing offers, however, then BOOM, pull the pin.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Fox, Sabonis, and DeRozan are all below average defenders and none of them are major floor spacers. Unless Keegan not only turns it around, but improves significantly on last year as well, I don't see a way where this team works. There is no coach out there who is going to magically turn our 'big 3' into the things we need them to be at this point in their careers.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Thank you Mike Brown for changing the culture, but it's time to move on from the Mike Brown experiment.

I'd rather have Doug Christie coaching this team next year than Mike Brown.

Name your replacement.

Just checking in everyone.

I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

 

[SacTownKid]

offensive oriented? I think not. you need a cohesive unit on both ends of the court to prosper. What coach wants the guys to do and what they do instead shows me that its either a basketball IQ issue or a personnel issue, or perhaps its a combination of both.

Sure, but a team full on non defenders is always going to be a team full of non defenders. If you're a scheme team to make up for a lack of defensive tools as a coach you play towards your abilities, not your pitfalls, it's that simple.

 

[joemama]

Just fire Luke his defensive scheme (if you can call it that is crap).

Give Christie a shot.

 

[GWD]

Just fire Luke his defensive scheme (if you can call it that is crap).

Give Christie a shot.

Are you sure that the defensive scheme is not Mike Brown's and Luke is hired to implement it? It is hard to believe that Brown has no input and gives an assistant carte blanche to fully run the team's defense. Maybe delegate some of the mundane tasks but to turn over the entire defensive philosophy to an underling doesn't seem likely.,,especially if it is not working.

 

[Caccia]

Fox, Sabonis, and DeRozan are all below average defenders and none of them are major floor spacers. Unless Keegan not only turns it around, but improves significantly on last year as well, I don't see a way where this team works. There is no coach out there who is going to magically turn our 'big 3' into the things we need them to be at this point in their careers.

Enter Mr. Monk, the floor spacer and chaos creator extraordinaire.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Fox is not a below average defender

 

[The_Jamal]

Are you sure that the defensive scheme is not Mike Brown's and Luke is hired to implement it? It is hard to believe that Brown has no input and gives an assistant carte blanche to fully run the team's defense. Maybe delegate some of the mundane tasks but to turn over the entire defensive philosophy to an underling doesn't seem likely.,,especially if it is not working.

Regardless of this or not, Brown as the "CEO" of the staff at some point has to step in and change something with our 3pt defense. We just aren't going to win games giving up the 2nd most 3PA and the 2nd worst 3pt %. No matter how well we play in other areas (which I think have been pretty solid for most of the year, our own shooting aside).

 

[Livinthedream]

Has probably said somewhere recently on here, but Jordy Fernandez was the coach the first few years.

 

[Kingster]

Regardless of this or not, Brown as the "CEO" of the staff at some point has to step in and change something with our 3pt defense. We just aren't going to win games giving up the 2nd most 3PA and the 2nd worst 3pt %. No matter how well we play in other areas (which I think have been pretty solid for most of the year, our own shooting aside).

Is there some proof that Brown is a detached observer of the defense? I find it beyond belief that he sits in apathy on the bench and doesn't get involved with the team in film and practice sessions. Seems very much an un-Brown thing to do.

 

[The_Jamal]

Is there some proof that Brown is a detached observer of the defense? I find it beyond belief that he sits in apathy on the bench and doesn't get involved with the team in film and practice sessions. Seems very much an un-Brown thing to do.

detached observer is probably a bit harsh, but the announcing crew always harps on how Loucks is the defensive coordinator and how he runs the defense, etc.

 

[Kingster]

detached observer is probably a bit harsh, but the announcing crew always harps on how Loucks is the defensive coordinator and how he runs the defense, etc.

By that logic, any HC who has a defensive coordinator isn't involved in the defense of the team. Maybe Brown is intimately involved in the filmwork and strategy with Loucks and it still isn't working. .

 

[SacTownKid]

detached observer is probably a bit harsh, but the announcing crew always harps on how Loucks is the defensive coordinator and how he runs the defense, etc.

The more I think about it, this could be a multiple part thing going on. Clearly the philosophy is a Brown one or at least in some part OK with him since they've been using this defense since he got here. However, Luke is running the in game management of that philosophy and indeed, he might be falling short when calling out adjustments and what not. You can definitely see both DC and Loucks up off the bench more than a few times a quarter yelling out assignments.

 

[kingsboi]

Curious about what you consider a "personnel issue". Is it between parties, i.e. player/player or coach/player, or GM/coach/players, or owner/the whole shebang? Maybe you mean something else. I'm interested in your take.

player assembly

 

[kingsboi]

Sure, but a team full on non defenders is always going to be a team full of non defenders. If you're a scheme team to make up for a lack of defensive tools as a coach you play towards your abilities, not your pitfalls, it's that simple.

absolutely. scheme wise, no coach will be able to do much when the last line of defense is Sabonis or an empty space in the paint

 

[Turgenev]

We all want to pin the blame on that one person we didn’t already like.

This video – with interview clips from Mike Brown – suggest it’s the players who can’t / don’t execute. It’s a bit surprising to me that a team whose core has been together for more than 2 full seasons, under the same coaching staff, can be this bad at executing a game plan. Especially with the same issues seemingly present again and again and again.

Maybe they don’t understand the game plan/ it hasn’t been communicated to them effectively? They are not on the same page, or they don’t fully trust each other? They don’t have the attention span to play both sides of the ball for 48-minutes? Or is there is a lack of leadership on defence? We run a lot of the offence through Sabonis, Fox, Monk, and now DeMarr. But the guys we rely on for defence (Keegan, Keon) are younger and quieter. Do we need a Draymond (ugh) style defensive captain?