Which is why people like @SLAB have concluded that he just stinks and I find myself leaning towards that as being the reason.
That said we'll probably find out soon enough when he is either traded or the roster is turned over.
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That said we'll probably find out soon enough when he is either traded or the roster is turned over.
I feel like great is an exaggeration, he had a few stinkers in Summer League.
Whatever, sure.
The point is, the full game samples we have on him indicate nothing like a Trob type situation where it eventually became pretty clear from day 1 that he couldn't hang.
And all I am saying is that maybe there are off court reasons that the team is hesitant to make public. Because we've typically gone out of our way to play crappy draft picks.
sactowndog
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Carter has to learn to play point. Better to do that in the G league. V
I agree that is his best chance to crack the rotation.
Tetsujin
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IJ looked like LeBron in Summer League. He is currently in the G-League.
Should probably start getting a real look at what Dario Saric can do for the big league club going forward. Would likely be more helpful to our future, I think.
Why? Aren't you always talking about wingspan? Devin Carter's is 6'8.75" and his standing reach is 8'2". Combine that with his 42" vertical leap and the fastest 3/4 court sprint speed in NBA Combine history and he has plenty of size and athleticism for the SG position.
This team as presently constructed has 3 SG that would like to start and making 20m +, Keon, and Nique. We're already playing a few of these guys out of position.
If we can get down to Keon and Nique and we lose Russ next season and don't wind up having to draft a guard with the 6th pick there will be time to give Carter even if he is a bust. We picked up his option so barring a deal in which case we might be hiding him for some reason, he'll be here next year. I think he'd benefit by spending the next month in the G-League at least.
At some point this becomes self-fulfilling prophecy though. "Oh wow, look at this player who we stunted by sitting him on the bench for two years and trying to play out of position because of our own poor roster construction fail... Guess he was never that good to begin with?" Obviously my preference is just to get the good defenders on the floor and let the playmaking take care of itself. I also don't know that Carter is going to learn anything in the G-League at this point. He's too good for that league and needs NBA minutes to get any better than what he is now.
In several of your posts, you continue to say we have time down the road, but wouldn’t you rather see a guy like Carter get 24-30 minutes now and at the end of the season you can cut him loose, trade him or just let him be the end of bench guy or maybe he’s a rotation guy. I think fans would rather see that now and not have these same questions throughout next year too. Find out now so go8ng into next season they have a good sample to base a decision on.
Caccia
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Zach LaVine has this to say about the Kings' season:
“I mean, it doesn’t sound good [when] I tell you that, I mean the music--if that’s what you guys are going for--you can have the most talented people in the world, but if the guitarist and the violin guy, and then somebody that is orchestrating, and somebody on the saxophone, if they are all not playing in the same key, it ain’t going to sound like music. It is going to sound like a bunch of instruments playing. So, there is an analogy for you.”
A lot of this has to do with coaching, in my opinion. Coach Christie has not built on the players' strengths and has not molded them into a cohesive unit, all playing in the same key.
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/sacra...sic-analogy-to-explain-kings-chemistry-issues
“I mean, it doesn’t sound good [when] I tell you that, I mean the music--if that’s what you guys are going for--you can have the most talented people in the world, but if the guitarist and the violin guy, and then somebody that is orchestrating, and somebody on the saxophone, if they are all not playing in the same key, it ain’t going to sound like music. It is going to sound like a bunch of instruments playing. So, there is an analogy for you.”
A lot of this has to do with coaching, in my opinion. Coach Christie has not built on the players' strengths and has not molded them into a cohesive unit, all playing in the same key.
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/sacra...sic-analogy-to-explain-kings-chemistry-issues
Zach is not wrong. I mean the roster has parts and is poorly constructed but there is a big reason…Doug…that the team….Doug….has the…Doug….second worst record…..Doug….in the NBA….Doug.
Jdbraver137
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How do we get Doug to make us the worst?
ShastaKingsFan
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For whatever reason, odds are they're going to F up this opportunity for a top pick and go on some stretch of meaningless wins after the dead line....and Christie will be hyped about it
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Kingster
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If Perry trades vets for other vets, you could be right, but the surprise for me would be if we got younger from trades and somehow managed to win at the end of the season. Also, typically when a team has a large infusion of new players at the end of the season the team will lose (all other things being equal) because they have no idea of how to play with each other.
Sure, a lot has to do with coaching, but George Clinton and Bootsy Collins ain't walking through that door.
ShastaKingsFan
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The issue is playing teams that also don't need to win later in the season. The other organizations usually figure out a way to not screw up scoreboard results, better than the Kings, especially if the head coach and GM are fully committed to maximizing their chances for the draft. From all indications, Christie won't "give in".....and just when a little something something changes that produces better results, whether by chance or design, could be really bad timing after the dead line.
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Because I want this team to tear the rot out down to the foundation and think the only way to do that is to play the guys you want to move with big contracts. I also am not confident in Carter as an NBA player at this point. The team has never resisted giving minutes to a pick like this. We played Colby Jones when we could have given Keon that time for example. That said if 3 or 4 of the guys in his way are out next year he's got two years to show while we are still blatantly looking for a top five pick in 2027 as well.
He's the only pick we've ever done _this_ to though. Maybe he just isn't good?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
So your argument is Christie is too committed and too good of a coach to insure enough ping pong balls?
I think I'll take the under on that one..
We are 8-30. Find out on the NBA floor if he's actually bad. And again, the developmental system games have shown no signs he cant be a very good NBA player. We've refused to give him a chance
ShastaKingsFan
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So your argument is Christie is too committed and too good of a coach to insure enough ping pong balls?
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Not "giving in" and being too good of a coach for a tank are different things. My concern post dead-line is that their could be a loss of focus on the big picture, that means much more than a few games late this season
We have 2.5 years to do that in the mean time he can show he deserves to jump other guys in practice.
ShastaKingsFan
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If he had shown that he deserves playing in time in practice....and with the signings of Shroder and Westbrook, would they have got him on the floor consistently this season?
I don't think anything that he has or has not done in practice would have changed things, as they stand now.
He hasn't shown anything to suggest he can be a full time lead guard at this point. That's a major problem. They tried that in SL and he looked pretty lost and that's where Nique really stepped up.
I think eventually he will get his sink or swim moment and if it happened today I am pretty sure he'd sink.
How can we make that determination though? Based on what? You thinking he struggles in practice?
If he sinks, show it now so we can move on. But its an organizational failure, imo, if we move on without actually giving the guy a chance
Kingster
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He can have a loss of focus of the big picture and have no positive effect on winning whatsoever. I think you're getting yourself in a twist over nothing at this point. If Perry brings in some savy vets that actually fit well together that could be a problem (with winning and fewer ping pong balls), but we are a long ways from that point.
Kingster
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I think he struggles in practice and he has no instincts for the pg position. Classic tweener. But that's my view from afar and it wouldn't shock me if he's getting playing time with the Heat in the future.
