Fire Christie

[pdxKingsFan]

How can we make that determination though? Based on what? You thinking he struggles in practice?

If he sinks, show it now so we can move on. But its an organizational failure, imo, if we move on without actually giving the guy a chance

I would think there would be tremendous organizational pressure on coaching to play him if they felt he was remotely NBA ready.

We are "known" to have passed up a trade last minute due to his availability in the draft presumably for a big wing to pair with Keegan that Fox had been demanding.

That lead to the disastrous set of moves to clear space and trade for Deebo (you can put the Davion trade and urgency around Sasha who ended up walking away from his contract cap penalty free).

The poor roster fit from there forward lead to the complete destruction of the remaining core of the Beam Team and firing of Brown.

If I owned this team I would be demanding to see what we threw it all away for. So I'm guessing they are seeing that elsewhere and thinking they can't put him in a game right now.

Again we gave plenty of opportunity to Colby Jones who was a second round pick and Chris Duarte who I think we traded a second round pick for. We can say this team failed to get the most out of Davion but why draft an undersized PG first round when you have that one spot locked down (remember we still had Haliburton when we drafted him!). This is really just feeling like a Monte f up at this point to me and I'm kind of fine to move on from it.

 

[dude12]

I would think there would be tremendous organizational pressure on coaching to play him if they felt he was remotely NBA ready.

We are "known" to have passed up a trade last minute due to his availability in the draft presumably for a big wing to pair with Keegan that Fox had been demanding.

That lead to the disastrous set of moves to clear space and trade for Deebo (you can put the Davion trade and urgency around Sasha who ended up walking away from his contract cap penalty free).

The poor roster fit from there forward lead to the complete destruction of the remaining core of the Beam Team and firing of Brown.

If I owned this team I would be demanding to see what we threw it all away for. So I'm guessing they are seeing that elsewhere and thinking they can't put him in a game right now.

Again we gave plenty of opportunity to Colby Jones who was a second round pick and Chris Duarte who I think we traded a second round pick for. We can say this team failed to get the most out of Davion but why draft an undersized PG first round when you have that one spot locked down (remember we still had Haliburton when we drafted him!). This is really just feeling like a Monte f up at this point to me and I'm kind of fine to move on from it.

Different regime though in regards to these previous players. I could buy your point of view if we weren’t an 8 win team and the GM finally saying we need to get younger. Also, he’s not going to be a PG most likely but his comp has been a Josh Hart type. Maybe he’s a guy who can impact games. This just looks like he’s not going to get his opportunity because Scott Perry didn’t draft him. That is the vibe I and others are getting with Perry. A guy with an ego who thinks he’s smarter than every one else. For Kings fans sake, I hope he is that guy

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Different regime though in regards to these previous players. I could buy your point of view if we weren’t an 8 win team and the GM finally saying we need to get younger. Also, he’s not going to be a PG most likely but his comp has been a Josh Hart type. Maybe he’s a guy who can impact games. This just looks like he’s not going to get his opportunity because Scott Perry didn’t draft him. That is the vibe I and others are getting with Perry. A guy with an ego who thinks he’s smarter than every one else. For Kings fans sake, I hope he is that guy

But it's still the same owner that everyone blames for this mess. Everyone is calling Christie and Perry Vivek puppets. It's a big constant throughout this thread that he is just Vivek's yes man. Like I said, if I owned this team, I would be DEMANDING to see the guy we threw everything away for get minutes. They forced bad picks to play all the time. Why not now?

I think there is a reason even if they aren't forthcoming with it.

Incidentally if the only reason is "Perry doesn't like him" then that would crush the narrative on Vivek.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Different regime though in regards to these previous players. I could buy your point of view if we weren’t an 8 win team and the GM finally saying we need to get younger. Also, he’s not going to be a PG most likely but his comp has been a Josh Hart type. Maybe he’s a guy who can impact games. This just looks like he’s not going to get his opportunity because Scott Perry didn’t draft him. That is the vibe I and others are getting with Perry. A guy with an ego who thinks he’s smarter than every one else. For Kings fans sake, I hope he is that guy

He wasn't even projected to be a lead guard coming out of college. Everyone talked about him as a 2 with the ability to guard 1-3

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

But it's still the same owner that everyone blames for this mess. Everyone is calling Christie and Perry Vivek puppets. It's a big constant throughout this thread that he is just Vivek's yes man. Like I said, if I owned this team, I would be DEMANDING to see the guy we threw everything away for get minutes. They forced bad picks to play all the time. Why not now?

I think there is a reason even if they aren't forthcoming with it.

Most of us don't believe that McNair wanted to trade for Lavine and that Perry wanted to sign Westbrook. That leaves the owner as the one pushing for these moves and the GM's are then his yes man. Christie is also a yes man, because he has no power and this is his one chance to hold onto a head coaching spot. He can afford to lose a lot of games if he is going along with the front office plan. He doesn't want to "go rogue" and get fired, knowing that this is just a gap year

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Most of us don't believe that McNair wanted to trade for Lavine and that Perry wanted to sign Westbrook. That leaves the owner as the one pushing for these moves and the GM's are then his yes man. Christie is also a yes man, because he has no power and this is his one chance to hold onto a head coaching spot. He can afford to lose a lot of games if he is going along with the front office plan. He doesn't want to "go rogue" and get fired, knowing that this is just a gap year

I am about 80% that Russ was Perry. It feels in line with the small body of work we saw during his brief tenure here. It also feels like maybe a signal to agents and vets down the road that they can rehab here. I'm eager to see if he is moved at the deadline and if we get anything more than a second rounder for our trouble because if it pays off it will only be helpful over the next 2-3 years to get similar deals in.

Also I'm 75% that Zach was driven by KLUTCH.

 

[fansinceday1]

I think they don't want to come because Sacramento regardless of who the owner is. And this applies to a number of other cities around the league as well including the one I call home today. We weren't swimming with people begging to join the team when the Maloofs were golden boys and the team played the most exciting basketball in the league either.

During the early 2000’s and “the greatest show on court” players from all over wanted to come here. I remember that time like it was yesterday. This team was set in the front office with Petrie and set at the coaching position. That team was stable, something this franchise hasn’t been in a very long time.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

During the early 2000’s and “the greatest show on court” players from all over wanted to come here. I remember that time like it was yesterday. This team was set in the front office with Petrie and set at the coaching position. That team was stable, something this franchise hasn’t been in a very long time.

Who was the big free agent signing? Best I remember was the sign and trade for Miller. We were lucky to win over Webber and I will absolutely concede the vast majority of players during this time loved playing here and for the team, but we weren't a draw for free agents.

Same thing up here in Portland really. And I am dead certain SLC and a few other places have it worse (OKC probably which is part of why Presti prioritizes all those picks).

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Who was the big free agent signing? Best I remember was the sign and trade for Miller. We were lucky to win over Webber and I will absolutely concede the vast majority of players during this time loved playing here and for the team, but we weren't a draw for free agents.

Same thing up here in Portland really. And I am dead certain SLC and a few other places have it worse (OKC probably which is part of why Presti prioritizes all those picks).

Which city's are considered a draw for players, regardless of the current state of the team? New York, LA, and Miami? That's only 4-5 teams out of 30, so not sure that it can used as an excuse relative to the vast majority of the competition

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Who was the big free agent signing? Best I remember was the sign and trade for Miller. We were lucky to win over Webber and I will absolutely concede the vast majority of players during this time loved playing here and for the team, but we weren't a draw for free agents.

Vlade was probably as big of a signing as Miller, but that signing was a part of the genesis of our success, not a signing that could be attributed to our prior/current winning.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Which city's are considered a draw for players, regardless of the current state of the team? New York, LA, and Miami? That's only 4-5 teams out of 30, so not sure that it can used as an excuse relative to the vast majority of the competition

Probably any team in a taxed advantaged state. Plus those with a lot to do for young rich Black men. There's certain cities that also produce a lot of NBA talent that there is a draw to "go home to". Seattle would check a lot of those boxes and so would Las Vegas when expansion happens.