Fire Christie

SacTownKid said:
With what the Kings are, yeah, get at least some of the vets out early if Perry can. The only teams wanting them will probably want the extra time prior to the deadline to be able to reassess again most likely anyway. If Perry gets in early he might get in before the other teams get desperate with their own pieces and suck some of the oxygen out of the room.
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Always seems like hardly any significant deals happen until right up to the deadline
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Always seems like hardly any significant deals happen until right up to the deadline
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Depends on what significant means. There were deals made by the teams trying to move up in Dec. last year. The Kings pieces aren't going to be transformative and won't get that value anyway so a team can get a possible star on the cheap. They probably shouldn't have to wait until the deadline for that.
 
SacTownKid said:
Depends on what significant means. There were deals made by the teams trying to move up in Dec. last year. The Kings pieces aren't going to be transformative and won't get that value anyway so a team can get a possible star on the cheap. They probably shouldn't have to wait until the deadline for that.
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The highest paid players. Say the top 3 or 4 on a team
 
I think Christie will be out at the end of the year. He needs more experience as an assistant. His substitution patterns are awkward and make little sense. He probablyvisvthevrught coach for tanking, but he rolls over for Vivek. That can’t happen long term.
 
Christie does not operate in a vacuum, as is occasionally represented on the forum. He has a fleet of coaches offering advice, a GM pulling strings, and an owner that has lofty unmet expectations. Add a mismatched team of veteran players of contrary talents that demand respect with playing time and the resulting cacophony is an expectation.

While the "buck stops" with the head coach, unless he is ignoring or overruling his staff, the current situation is a complex combination of misguided influences. There is also the possibility that this product is being produced by design and intent.

Outwardly, Christie seems to be acting the "stooge" for the management because he does not follow the principles he advocates. In fact, Christie is part of management so must bow to his superiors' directions. Surely, his coaching staff recognizes that condition as the reason his decisions often defy winning basketball logic.

There is much to play out for the remainder of the year in trades, roster adjustments, playing times, player roles, and other administrative changes. When the season is over, the decision on Coach Christie's future will come into clearer focus.
 
I dunno., just common sense tells me look at the bigger picture. The season’s gone, but Doug can still salvage something by giving more minutes to the 2nd and 3rd units. Watching these vets feels like replaying old, worn out movies over and over.
 
I saw something saying Perry is trying to sell Vivek on a 3 year minimum timeline, up to 5 years. If that's the case I think there's a good chance Doug gets at least this year and next.
 
GWD said:
Christie does not operate in a vacuum, as is occasionally represented on the forum. He has a fleet of coaches offering advice, a GM pulling strings, and an owner that has lofty unmet expectations. Add a mismatched team of veteran players of contrary talents that demand respect with playing time and the resulting cacophony is an expectation.

While the "buck stops" with the head coach, unless he is ignoring or overruling his staff, the current situation is a complex combination of misguided influences. There is also the possibility that this product is being produced by design and intent.

Outwardly, Christie seems to be acting the "stooge" for the management because he does not follow the principles he advocates. In fact, Christie is part of management so must bow to his superiors' directions. Surely, his coaching staff recognizes that condition as the reason his decisions often defy winning basketball logic.

There is much to play out for the remainder of the year in trades, roster adjustments, playing times, player roles, and other administrative changes. When the season is over, the decision on Coach Christie's future will come into clearer focus.
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Would be more than enough to drive any knowledgeable competitor absolutely bonkers. He's probably started aging in dog years
 
Injuries and an insanely difficult early-season schedule have forced Coach Christie's hand. He now appears committed to playing all the young guys not named Devin Carter. In effect, he is now prioritizing development over winning. Henceforward, he should be graded on the young players' progress, not on the team's record.

He may not be great at the Xs and Os, but Coach Christie does seem like a good teacher.
 
Caccia said:
Injuries and an insanely difficult early-season schedule have forced Coach Christie's hand. He now appears committed to playing all the young guys not named Devin Carter. In effect, he is now prioritizing development over winning. Henceforward, he should be graded on the young players' progress, not on the team's record.

He may not be great at the Xs and Os, but Coach Christie does seem like a good teacher.
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How has he shown to be a good teacher? He goes away from combinations that work to put Saric in.
 
I need to see Christie post trade deadline to really evaluate because I think it's pretty obvious there's a "play the vets" mandate from the FO, which is totally fine considering we're trying to trade them all.

There's no way we're going to have any kind of coherent team offense or defense with Deebo, Zach, Westbrook, and Schroeder out there goofing around. Although I'll give Russ credit for feeding Max when they're out there together.
 
Jdbraver137 said:
Benching Monk is inexcusable. Monk could easily run the pick and roll with max, like he did all the time with Holmes.
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Holmes was mostly out of the rotation during that one season he had with Monk on the roster. You might be thinking of before the big trade, when Haliburton was setting him up in the pick and roll very effectively
 
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Jdbraver137 said:
How has he shown to be a good teacher? He goes away from combinations that work to put Saric in.
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That has to do with rotations, not teaching. When the young fellows get on the court, they look like they know how to play. Raynaud does not improve with every game without excellent feedback from the coaches, for instance. Even Malik Monk has improved his defense significantly this year, his ninth in the NBA.
 
There are some excellent head coaching candidates out there right now. Guys who have succeeded already. Zero reason to not inquire if they would be willing to coach here.
 
dude12 said:
Taylor Jenkins
Michael Malone….i wish
Thibbs….would take him in a heartbeat
Just three off the top of my head.
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So that leaves one name on your list in Jenkins, if he would be interested to work for Ranadive. We know Malone won't and very unlikely that Thibadeau would want to. It's a real major problem

I wouldn't bet on Christie going anywhere, at least through next season and his two year contract. Ranadive had wanted to give him a real shot for years
 
dude12 said:
There are some excellent head coaching candidates out there right now. Guys who have succeeded already. Zero reason to not inquire if they would be willing to coach here.
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I'm afraid there is no use talking about potential head coaching candidates at least until year 3 of Christie since that is the average span of a Vivek hired head coach
 
pdxKingsFan said:
You can only blame Vivek for so much and I don't think he is the one responsible for Davion, Devin, Sasha, and a bunch of other middling moves that left us floundering to build on the beam team.

I will blame Vivek for splashy sounding moves like DeMar and Zach but those happened after two years of largely doing nothing.

Why we never got a second wing to succeed HB as a long term pairing with Keegan, even if we reached a bit to do it is beyond me. Since HB was fifth option on offense we may as well just tried bringing in a defensive specialist in that spot and he never did. No shortage of extra picks being passed around in 2023 and 2024 drafts to take a flyer on someone.
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What I heard was Vivek killed the deal of Barnes for Nesmith and a 1st because he wanted to make the play-offs.

Now you can blame this on Vivek or you can blame this on Monte for incorrectly setting Vivek’s expectations that we could be successful keeping all options open instead of going all in for a rebuild and tanking that year to get one of the many forwards that all went before Mitchell..
 
sactowndog said:
What I heard was Vivek killed the deal of Barnes for Nesmith and a 1st because he wanted to make the play-offs.

Now you can blame this on Vivek or you can blame this on Monte for incorrectly setting Vivek’s expectations that we could be successful keeping all options open instead of going all in for a rebuild and tanking that year to get one of the many forwards that all went before Mitchell..
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We can litigate the past all we want but I'd rather look at the failure to build on the Beam Team than worry about how we missed out on Franz by the luck of a coin flip. If Monte wanted to reach at 9 he could have had Sengun and many people would have been delighted. The Mitchell pick didn't make sense with the roster we had and while you can argue that had Brown played him more effectively at a minimum we'd have received compensation for him rather than paying someone to take him off our hands - you could possibly even make the case Sasha and Davion should have netted us Deebo rather than the trade to Toronto that gave us a player we'd waive in the pre-season.

Barnes was valuable to this team, the void he left is why it all went to pot imho.
 
I'm not ready to fire Christie but I do think Vogel wasn't given a fair shake his last two jobs.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I'm not ready to fire Christie but I do think Vogel wasn't given a fair shake his last two jobs.
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I think he has some Micheal Malone and Dave Joerger like personality in him, so if any shenanigans come at him from a front office or players, he's going to fire back and stand for what he believes in. Of which I actually like and prefer over some company shill figure
 
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