Fans leave Milicic embarrassed, not proud

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I beginning to think he will ask for a trade if he does not get playing time next year. Petrie should work his magic and try and get him if possible



http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3695328





Detroit's fans chant those three words tirelessly whenever the Pistons have a big lead in the fourth quarter, hoping coach Larry Brown will give them a rare glimpse of Darko Milicic.



The player drafted No. 2 overall two years ago - after LeBron James and ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade - is more embarrassed than proud when he hears the crowd plead for him to play.

"It doesn't make me feel good at all," Milicic said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's nice that people like me, but if they have to cheer for me to come into the game that's not good."

Before Detroit played the San Antonio Spurs in Game 4 of the NBA Finals on Thursday night, Milicic said his second year in the league was more discouraging than his first.

"It's been worse because I was expecting to play," he said. "I've said it 10,000 times, the best way for me to improve is to play. All the work in practice and individual workouts can only help me so much.

"I can't say how good I am or how bad I am because I haven't played to show myself, or anybody."

The 7-foot, 245-pound center from Serbia-Montenegro played in 37 regular-season games and averaged 1.8 points, 1.2 rebounds and 6.9 minutes. As a rookie, he played 34 games, averaging 1.4 points, 1.3 rebounds and 4.6 minutes.

Milicic often looked unimpressive when he did play.

"When I come in the game at the end, it's hard because people are expecting me to jump over my man for a dunk or something special," he said. "It's hard for me because I feel like I feel when I wake up in the morning."

With Detroit's playoff position secure, Milicic started the final two games of the season and responded with 25 points and eight rebounds.

"It was good, but it's hard for me to get too excited about two games out of 82," said the man sometimes referred to as "the Human Victory Cigar."

Milicic has played sparingly in a handful of postseason games, just like last year.

Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars told anybody who would listen that Milicic would not play early in his career, but that hasn't stopped many from declaring him as a bust.

Dumars insists he still believes Milicic will help the defending champion Pistons contend for titles for the rest of the decade.

"Darko is a big part of our future here in Detroit," Dumars said. "Darko is big, young and very talented and you have to allow young big guys the time to develop."

Brown said Milicic, who turns 20 Monday, has been hampered by the NBA's system.

"I see the problem that our league is facing by not allowing young kids to go to developmental leagues or a minor league," Brown said. "It's not fair to them to sit on the bench. There's so many kids like that.

"Maybe if he was with a bad team, he would be playing and you could live with his mistakes and he would probably be way ahead of where he is now. With us, we have (Antonio) McDyess and (Ben) Wallace and (Rasheed) Wallace and Elden Campbell and we've been playing for a championship the past two years."

During practices and workouts, Milicic looks impressive as he scores on an array of low-post moves, mid-range jumpers and 3-pointers.

"He's got a lot of talent," McDyess said. "His time will come. He's working hard in practice and contributing that way, and someday he'll be a big part of a team."

Milicic is looking forward to this summer, when he expects to play a lot for two teams.

"If there is a lockout, I will play for two national teams back home. I will play with the 20-and-under team in the World Cup and the top national team in the European championships," he said. "If there is no lockout, I will play with the national team and with the summer-league team with the Pistons."

Milicic often drives to practices and games in a BMW X5 adorned with a "Proud To Be Serbian," bumper sticker. He lives alone in a three-bedroom home in a posh suburb, where his mother, father and sister visit him about twice a year. Though he came to the United States barely able to speak English, he said the transition was easy.

"It was not a big adjustment because where I come from life is not easy," he said quietly. "I saw war without rules growing up. There were wars with Croatia, Albania, and a bunch of other places and inside our own country people were fighting. "I remember one time when I was 13 playing on an outside court, planes were flying over my head and were dropping bombs. I don't get to play much here in the NBA, but I know that my life could be worse."
 
Bballkingsrock said:
I dontg want Darko. He is no use. WE don't want someone who will be god in 5 years, we ned someone good right NOW.

The point is he is ready now for atleast 10 minutes a game or even more. People tend to forget he very very talent and as a matter of fact sscored better at the draft combine than Melo which is pretty darn impressive considering he is over 7 feet tall.
 
i found what mcdyess said a bit interesting:

"He's got a lot of talent," McDyess said. "His time will come. He's working hard in practice and contributing that way, and someday he'll be a big part of a team."

notice how he says a team, instead of this team. that probably implies that even mcdyess, behind all his praising words, does not think that milicic can get consistent playing time in a team already contending for championship.
 
Bballkingsrock said:
I dontg want Darko. He is no use. WE don't want someone who will be god in 5 years, we ned someone good right NOW.
I would have him staight away.

He might not be able to play 30 minutes every night but he would be good for 10-15 minutes. He is ready for that. People that haven't seen him play before he got drafted seriously under-rate his ability.

I saw him DOMINATE a game as a 17 year old against men. I have never seen anyone so dominant in a single game in europe since the great Arvydas Sabonis.

Don't be surprised if Milicic becomes one of the most dominant big men in the next decade. He just needs a chance.

If Petrie can work his magic and get Milicic, I would be stoked.
 
Its just too early to tell with Darko -- the few times he does touch the floor he normally looks just awful. Not the same situation as a J.O'Neal thing where he kicks butt for a few minutes every night but is just trapped by more experienced players. Darko doesn't look like he's earned any minutes at all, and if he were a no name 2nd round draft pick without a guaranteed deal, he might well already be gone. Interesting thing with him is that I think the Pistons have to make a call on whether to pick up his 4th year option or not sometime before training camp this year. Could tell us everything about whether they intend to keep him or not, and they could just move him rather than having to make that decision themselves. Also think the outcome of this Finals could be a big factor -- if Detroit wins another title, then there's just no way they are going to break up that frontline to make room for Darko, and pretty soon his rookie deal will run out without him ever having seen time. If they lose, then there's at least a chance they make a change and start looking toward the future.


Now that said, I look at him like I look at a Kwame. And maybe even a little better than a Kwame because this kid's seen less floor time and had less opportunities. Would love to see the Kings dip into the well and take chances on some of these high draft pick super-talented (susposedly) "busts" and see what happens. But it again comes down to what we ourselves are thinking. If we are really going to stick with our middleaged "core", then I can only assume that we will continue to try to fill in around the core with more middleaged players ready to help NOW, and there will continue to be no room for developing kids. I think that would be a mistake -- its a policy which I understand on a championship caliber team, not one I understand just so you can have a 50 win topped out team. But the Maloofs may very well be too scared to sacrifice wins for potential at this point, falling into that Knick-like abyss of being too scared to get bad to get good because you have to justify ticket prices and appease the fanbase (and get a new arena). Shortighted and largely pointless, but may well be where we are. And if it is, Darko would just end up coming over here to sit at the end of our bench rather than the end of Detroit's bench.
 
Darko deserves a chance ...

id like to see him in Kings Land but Im not that sure that would be the best thing for this team ... but certainly, hes a young guy ... they say talented ... why not give him a chance ?

not just the Kings ... any other team thats less talented than the Pistonts
All this sitting on the bench doesnt help ... specially the young kid ... who has the potential ... this is his time to learn ... and PLAY ... bench sucks

Petrie ... go get himmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Darko could be something very very special but we wont know untill Larry leaves detroit. I wouldnt want him either but I think he deserves some playing time and respect from Larry on the court.
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
Darko could be something very very special but we wont know untill Larry leaves detroit. I wouldnt want him either but I think he deserves some playing time and respect from Larry on the court.

I agree. However if any team wants to pay me upwards of 12million to warm the bench, I would be more than willing.:D
 
twocents said:
i found what mcdyess said a bit interesting:

"He's got a lot of talent," McDyess said. "His time will come. He's working hard in practice and contributing that way, and someday he'll be a big part of a team."

notice how he says a team, instead of this team. that probably implies that even mcdyess, behind all his praising words, does not think that milicic can get consistent playing time in a team already contending for championship.

The reason McDyess said those things, I think, is that Darko is stuck behind three guys who are by no means old --- Ben Wallace, 'Sheed and McDyess will each turn 31 this September, and other than McDyess, none have suffered any major injuries. In fact, McDyess looks to be rounding into pretty good shape after his myriad of knee injuries, and if he's happy in his role as first big off the bench for the Pistons, I think it would be pretty difficult for Darko to crack through any of those three guys with the Pistons being this competitive in the NBA.
 
Just_Lurkin said:
I agree. However if any team wants to pay me upwards of 12million to warm the bench, I would be more than willing.:D

for twelve million, i would bring hair dryers and heat lamps for that damn bench.
 
Darko deserves better, if he was pick #2 he could have been big by now, he doesn't deserve to be on a bench. The whole detroit team doesn't even like him except for Rick Hamilton. He needs to go on another team and they will cherish him even more.


Time is passing by and he's just sitting on the bench. Poor guy, Larry Brown even said he disliked him on the Jay Leno show. I mean I am rooting Detroit to win, but they are a disgrace to Darko.

But Hey, since Darko doesn't get to play often, he's going to get another ring.:)
 
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Bballkingsrock said:
I dontg want Darko. He is no use. WE don't want someone who will be god in 5 years, we ned someone good right NOW.


He is not useless, he was good when he got drafted, but as time passes by, his ability to play basketball will go. It's not the guy's fault that the NBA won't let him play.
 
KingsChick said:
He is not useless, he was good when he got drafted, but as time passes by, his ability to play basketball will go. It's not the guy's fault that the NBA won't let him play.

Actually, I believe he's a better player now than he was when he was drafted. Dude just needs a chance to prove it.
 
twocents said:
i found what mcdyess said a bit interesting:

"He's got a lot of talent," McDyess said. "His time will come. He's working hard in practice and contributing that way, and someday he'll be a big part of a team."

notice how he says a team, instead of this team. that probably implies that even mcdyess, behind all his praising words, does not think that milicic can get consistent playing time in a team already contending for championship.
I thought the same way, maybe he got a hinch he's on Pistons' shopping list.

AleksandarN said:
...he scores on an array of low-post moves, mid-range jumpers and 3-pointers...
If passing is added to this he'd be like Sabonis to me. Then I'd take him right away even there needs some time to develop.
 
Darko is one of the worst draft picks in history, and a figment of Chad Ford's imagination. But hey, wouldn't everyone here rather have Darko as their 12th man than Wade, Carmello, or Bosh as their 6th? I mean, why have talent when you could have the latest overhyped Euro?
 
Darko's still got a way to go before he surpasses Jay Williams as the worst #2 pick in the draft in recent years. At least he's still in the NBA.
 
Every time I see or hear about Darko, I get the feeling he'd would blossom if he could play for a team like the Kings, Mavs or Suns.
 
Darko's still got a way to go before he surpasses Jay Williams as the worst #2 pick in the draft in recent years. At least he's still in the NBA.

If you're only considering his one mediocre season, I think that's overly harsh. He averaged 10 & 5 and was looking better as the season wore on. If you're judging him, as I believe you are, by the motorcycle accident, I think that's unfair.

Why not consider Lenny Bias as the worst #2 ever? At least Jay Williams has a chance to make a comeback.
 
His body language tells me that he is not happy there. But I guess that you cannot tell much from those trash time.
 
Geoff said:
I don't think it's fair to call him a bust when he hasn't gotten a chance to play.


He's already a bust for the simple fact that the Pistons could have had three players drafted immediately behind Darko who would be helping them win a title NOW, not sitting on the bench trying to look pretty. Kellen Winslow is a bust, he hasn't gotten to play yet either. Darko wasn't a late round flyer, he was the #2 pick in what will eventually be the best draft in a decade. Darko is the Sam Bowie to Carmello, Bosh, and Wade's Jordan.
 
Venom said:
He's already a bust for the simple fact that the Pistons could have had three players drafted immediately behind Darko who would be helping them win a title NOW, not sitting on the bench trying to look pretty. Kellen Winslow is a bust, he hasn't gotten to play yet either. Darko wasn't a late round flyer, he was the #2 pick in what will eventually be the best draft in a decade. Darko is the Sam Bowie to Carmello, Bosh, and Wade's Jordan.

Didn't Larry have some of those players in the Olympics? Didn't he bench all of them (incl LeBron) except Wade? I have a feeling ALL of those guys would be 11-12 men on the Pistons.

Ok, Wade was the suprise of the draft, but you cant blame an exec for that.
 
Venom said:
He's already a bust for the simple fact that the Pistons could have had three players drafted immediately behind Darko who would be helping them win a title NOW, not sitting on the bench trying to look pretty. Kellen Winslow is a bust, he hasn't gotten to play yet either. Darko wasn't a late round flyer, he was the #2 pick in what will eventually be the best draft in a decade. Darko is the Sam Bowie to Carmello, Bosh, and Wade's Jordan.

You just hate European players, period...don't you ?

It is quite possible that Darko is , or will become a bust...but I love the fact that you've already come to that conclusion when the kid doesn't even average 5 minutes a game.
 
Venom: your username is very appropriate.

Chances are that tonight, the Pistons will lose to the Spurs. Even if they stretch the series to seven games and manage to win the title again, it is highly likely that Larry Brown leaves Detroit to become Cleveland's president. That would leave Detroit without a coach, and Dumars would probably hire either Flip Saunders or Maurice Cheeks. Saunders coached and developed KG from a inexperienced high schooler to a formidable MVP/franchise cornerstone. And Darko is a very similar player to Garnett with regard to style and talent (though obviously undeveloped).

If the Kings are lucky enough to acquire Darko cheaply and develop him, he can become the cornerstone of the franchise. BUT, it is highly doubtful Joe Dumars will give him up. I think that Dumars will go to great lengths to keep Darko because one, he believes in Darko, and two, because part of his reputation is on the line for drafting Darko with the second overall pick.

Darko is a much more talented (and I would even say skilled) player than Nets' center Nenad Krstic. Krstic, in his first playoff series against Shaq, averaged 17 pts and 8 rebs (I think he even outscored Shaq). He also had a great rookie campaign.

Trust me, though, Darko is better.
 
Nenad is solid now but has a definite cap on his talent and overall top end. Darko on the other hand may not -- he was billed as potentially the first true Euro superstar (as in a guy who could do it all, not just a shooter). But on the other hand, if Darko turns out to be a flop, it looks like he may be a MAJOR flop. Its a high risk, all or nothing sort of situation.

If I thought the Kings were interested in amking a serious play for Darko, I would get off the fence and move solidly ito the Detroit rooting camp for this Finals. If Detroit pulled it off, Brown is more likely to stay, the team is more likely to stay intact (amongst the contributors) and Darko is more likely to stay completely pinned to the bench. And if all of that happened, Dumars might have little choice but to move Darko -- there would be a lot of pressure to make moves to keep the title run going, Brown wouldn't play the kid anyway, and with Darko's contract rapidly running down it just would make no sense to hold onto him until his value was gone and he left you voluntarily anyway. Might be able to get him for an offer of Bobby + something -- perfect championship type boost player.

But with Detroit likely going down and Brown possibly leaving, it will give Dumars a lot more freedom to follow his own gut here and try to ensure that hsi draft pick gets time. Might even look for an explicit promise from an incoming coach about that. And if that happens, then the only way you get Darko is to trade a major piece as if Darko was not a flop. And I don't think you can really do that for a kid who's shown absolutely nothing in the NBA.
 
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