Evans' game not suited for winning basketball?

est.1999

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I've heard this line thrown out there quite often, but is it really fair? People say we purposely pushed for the 20-5-5 thing last at the expense of team play and wins in general. They say he can't use his teammates. Shouldn't be a pg, yada yada yada. And I'll be the first to say that he's been playing bad this year and not helping much, but he is injured. And last year we were coming off a 17 win season. To get off to a 13-14 start was amazing and that was with tyreke doing his thing. We tailed off and that is expected with a young team.

I feel like I'm dragging this out so what I'm trying to say is what do you expect out of someone so young who mind you has shown us that when he's on we can be a pretty good team to do? I mean look at Blake griffin, dude is balling out of his mind yet the clippers have the worst record in the league(with more established players than we do).

I still think that we need tyreke to be tyreke if we ever wanna be a legitimate playoff team. A great pg won't just magically fix this team. It needs time and needs Reke to heal up.
 
I think it's far too soon to make that assessment. The Kings as a team aren't suited for winning basketball. WAY to early to start scapegoating individual players.
 
est.1999 said:
I've heard this line thrown out there quite often, but is it really fair? People say we purposely pushed for the 20-5-5 thing last at the expense of team play and wins in general. They say he can't use his teammates. Shouldn't be a pg, yada yada yada. And I'll be the first to say that he's been playing bad this year and not helping much, but he is injured. And last year we were coming off a 17 win season. To get off to a 13-14 start was amazing and that was with tyreke doing his thing. We tailed off and that is expected with a young team.

I feel like I'm dragging this out so what I'm trying to say is what do you expect out of someone so young who mind you has shown us that when he's on we can be a pretty good team to do? I mean look at Blake griffin, dude is balling out of his mind yet the clippers have the worst record in the league(with more established players than we do).

I still think that we need tyreke to be tyreke if we ever wanna be a legitimate playoff team. A great pg won't just magically fix this team. It needs time and needs Reke to heal up.
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Nothing the matter with Tyreke's game that a little natural maturation won't cure.

I should also note that many times the 'not winning basketbal" line is thrown out with glowering threats involving names like Iverson and LeBron. To which I just have to chuckle -- even IF that were what we had here, all LeBron and A.I. have done as "non-wininng" basketball players is go to the playoffs virtually every single year of their respective primes, and make the NBA Finals, which nobody in this organization has done in nearly 60 years. While winning MVPs. If that's the threat, its not much of one.
 
Lets make this clear: basketball is a team sport.

Tyreke is an outstanding individual player, but as far as playing as a part of a team, he is lacking.
 
Off the top of my head: throwing up shots on a brand new possession, standing around without the ball doing nothing, dribbling for multiple seconds doing nothing, forcing up shots or layups when hes got nothing, in general looks selfish and interested in individual play rather than a team effort.

How is he a good teammate?
 
Oh, I'm sure we'll win a couple games when he's out. And then he'll come back, and we'll lose a couple tough ones. And we'll have to hear it from everyone and Voison about how Tyreke selfishly came back too soon, killed the ball movement, yadda yadda yadda. Shades of Webber, all over again. I can see it already.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Oh, I'm sure we'll win a couple games when he's out. And then he'll come back, and we'll lose a couple tough ones. And we'll have to hear it from everyone and Voison about how Tyreke selfishly came back too soon, killed the ball movement, yadda yadda yadda. Shades of Webber, all over again. I can see it already.
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Yeah then they'll trade Tyreke for an inferior player who the fans will predictiably turn on next season. Deja vu all over again
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
Yeah then they'll trade Tyreke for an inferior player who the fans will predictiably turn on next season. Deja vu all over again
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They would have to be stupid to do that, and I personally don't think GP is stupid. Tyreke will be a very good player some day (provided he can stay healthy), but he does still have a lot to learn, and he needs some coaching badly, something he hasn't received since he joined the Kings.

Tyreke is not a selfish player, but he is very lacking in knowledge of how to play within a team frame, and he needs to learn how to do it. He also needs to define his position and acquire the necessary skills to play at that position. Either position he chooses will take him several years to master and the fans and organization have to be patient with him and not expect him to lead us to a championship in the near future. In my opinion he should be a SG, and to do that he needs to learn how to be effective off the ball and acquire a respectable jumpshot. If he, and the organization, chooses to be a PG, he has to learn how to run an offense and how to be a floor leader and direct the other players when running plays. Either way, he's got a long way to go, and I think the Kings organization acted foolishly in putting so many expectations on his shoulders as soon as his third month as a rookie.
 
Asaf said:
and I personally don't think GP is stupid.
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Maybe not in general but he's made some stupid moves in my opinion. The Mike Bibby trade being the worst. They got nothing worth mentioning in exchange for Bibby even though Bibby was expiring!. Then they go and sign Beno, an inferior PG in all aspects for more money than The Hawks ended up paying Bibby. There's just no way to spin that one that doesn't come out looking pretty dumb.
 
est.1999 said:
I've heard this line thrown out there quite often, but is it really fair? People say we purposely pushed for the 20-5-5 thing last at the expense of team play and wins in general. They say he can't use his teammates. Shouldn't be a pg, yada yada yada. And I'll be the first to say that he's been playing bad this year and not helping much, but he is injured. And last year we were coming off a 17 win season. To get off to a 13-14 start was amazing and that was with tyreke doing his thing. We tailed off and that is expected with a young team.

I feel like I'm dragging this out so what I'm trying to say is what do you expect out of someone so young who mind you has shown us that when he's on we can be a pretty good team to do? I mean look at Blake griffin, dude is balling out of his mind yet the clippers have the worst record in the league(with more established players than we do).

I still think that we need tyreke to be tyreke if we ever wanna be a legitimate playoff team. A great pg won't just magically fix this team. It needs time and needs Reke to heal up.
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Great post I agree with just about everything you said.
 
Lockehead said:
Off the top of my head: throwing up shots on a brand new possession, standing around without the ball doing nothing, dribbling for multiple seconds doing nothing, forcing up shots or layups when hes got nothing, in general looks selfish and interested in individual play rather than a team effort.

How is he a good teammate?
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You've also described just about everyone else on the team as well.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
Maybe not in general but he's made some stupid moves in my opinion. The Mike Bibby trade being the worst. They got nothing worth mentioning in exchange for Bibby even though Bibby was expiring!. Then they go and sign Beno, an inferior PG in all aspects for more money than The Hawks ended up paying Bibby. There's just no way to spin that one that doesn't come out looking pretty dumb.
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Wow do you have this wrong. I loved 2002 Bibby, but 2008 Bibby was pretty worthless. If he wasn't, we would have received more in return.

1. Bibby wasn't expiring. He was going to make 14-15m the next year. This is after missing the first 40 or so games from injury and playing terribly when he got back.

2. Beno and Bibby make about the same amount of money. I'd rather have Beno at this point. Bibby's shooting a better percentage from 3. Outside that, Beno is outperforming him in pretty much every other metric in the same number of minutes.
 
mr. moustache said:
Wow do you have this wrong. I loved 2002 Bibby, but 2008 Bibby was pretty worthless. If he wasn't, we would have received more in return.

1. Bibby wasn't expiring. He was going to make 14-15m the next year. This is after missing the first 40 or so games from injury and playing terribly when he got back.

2. Beno and Bibby make about the same amount of money. I'd rather have Beno at this point. Bibby's shooting a better percentage from 3. Outside that, Beno is outperforming him in pretty much every other metric in the same number of minutes.
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Maybe he wasn't expiring that year, but I'm certian he was soon. My point is, they got rid of one overpiad point guard and replaced him with another one. They might as well have let Bibby's contract runout and renew him for about what they're paying Beno. The only advantage I see with Beno is that he's younger. Other than that, I'll take Bibby. Better shooter, better passer, and better defender. Yeah I know Bibby isn't a very good defender, but he's better than Beno. Heck, pretty much any PG is a better defender than Beno.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
Maybe he wasn't expiring that year, but I'm certian he was soon. My point is, they got rid of one overpiad point guard and replaced him with another one. They might as well have let Bibby's contract runout and renew him for about what they're paying Beno. The only advantage I see with Beno is that he's younger. Other than that, I'll take Bibby. Better shooter, better passer, and better defender. Yeah I know Bibby isn't a very good defender, but he's better than Beno. Heck, pretty much any PG is a better defender than Beno.
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That's one rose-colored rear view mirror. They're both terrible defenders.

Getting rid of Bibby was addition by subtraction. Skill-wise, sure. He and Beno are a wash. The problem was that he had a history as an alpha-dog on this team and no longer played like one.
 
mr. moustache said:
That's one rose-colored rear view mirror. They're both terrible defenders.

Getting rid of Bibby was addition by subtraction. Skill-wise, sure. He and Beno are a wash. The problem was that he had a history as an alpha-dog on this team and no longer played like one.
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Maybe you're right. It's probably the frustration talking. The Kings still sucked the last two years Bibby was here. But at least they weren't the laughing stock they are now.
 
A healthy Tyreke Evans starting at the PG position is an absolute mismatch. There are zero - ZERO - PGs in the league that can handle him. And his length, hands and lateral quickness make him a defensive nightmare for opponents as well. Come playoff time, he has the exact game that you want. Gritty, physical and aggressive.

Tyreke's game isn't suited for winning basketball? Please. His game is exactly what wins in the NBA. Yes, he still needs to improve his shot and while he'll never be a "true" PG he still would benefit from better court vision as well as learning to move better without the ball but the core of his style is absolutely one that can win games.

Give him time to mature and grow (and at the moment rest and heal), supply him with a complimentary big man (which I definitely believe Cousins can be), find the right backcourt mate and have role players that can shoot, rebound and/or defend and this team WILL win games. For a number of years.
 
We need to have this discussion in a couple of years. He's going to be pretty good to a superstar level depending on one thing: his outside shot. (And of course his health.)

His outside shot is not a foregone conclusion one way or another. You can't bank on him improving his shot greatly. You can't bank on him not improving his shot greatly. It's the vast unknown. Just pray that he doesn't continue with whatever practice regiment he did during this past off-season; it didn't work.
 
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