[ESPN.com] Sacramento Kings Fact or Fiction

#1
Five questions with answers from five apparently random "experts":

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-110819/sacramento-kings-offseason-questions

1. Fact or Fiction: Jimmer Fredette will be a success in the NBA.
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2. Fact or Fiction: Tyreke Evans is a future superstar.
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3. Fact or Fiction: DeMarcus Cousins is worth the trouble.
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4. Fact or Fiction: Sacramento's pre-lockout trades were smart moves.
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5. Fact or Fiction: The Kings will be based in Anaheim in 2012-13.
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What caught my eye was the sub-headline: "5-on-5: Will Fredette, Evans and Cousins turn into a big three for the Kings?"

Uh... Kings might have a big three but I'm not sure it will include Fredette.
 
#4
Yeah... I'm not so sure Petrie would call those specific guys the Kings' big 3. But you and the ESPN.com headline writer are free to. ;)
just watch. im not going to say alot because then i might get ''banned for trolling'' but im not a troll.
im a expert at basketball and i have a amazing scouting talent abilities.
everybody who is doubting jimmer will be eating so much crow.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#5
Five questions with answers from five apparently random "experts":

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-110819/sacramento-kings-offseason-questions



What caught my eye was the sub-headline: "5-on-5: Will Fredette, Evans and Cousins turn into a big three for the Kings?"

Uh... Kings might have a big three but I'm not sure it will include Fredette.
Those things actually bother me and through no fault of his own I'm beginning to get a little sick of Jimmer, and he hasn't even suited up for us. Our real "Big Three"/thrid guy is a restricted free agent right now, coming off a season when he again showed he can pour in 20 a night in this league. And things like this as they pile up...how many of these have to pop up before he maybe begins to think there is some greener grass somewhere where they are going to appreciate his abilities?
 
#6
hey brick? do you know hes the best college player to come out in the last ten years? maybe thats why hes so hyped up. nobody has averaged more ppg than jimmer in over 10 years.
he averaged more ppg than jj redick, amo, durant, duncan, melo, you name it he has averaged more ppg in college.
a player who has there range. deserves the hype.
 
#7
just watch. im not going to say alot because then i might get ''banned for trolling'' but im not a troll.
im a expert at basketball and i have a amazing scouting talent abilities.
everybody who is doubting jimmer will be eating so much crow.
I guess the question is whether he'll be significantly better than Thornton. Perhaps you think he will, but I think the expectation is that he won't and that there's nothing wrong with that. If he isn't, that doesn't make him a bust. If people don't think he will be, that doesn't mean they are "doubters" or worse. Someone can like Fredette and predict that he will be the 4th or 5th or 6th or even 7th wheel on the Kings.
 
#8
I guess the question is whether he'll be significantly better than Thornton. Perhaps you think he will, but I think the expectation is that he won't and that there's nothing wrong with that. If he isn't, that doesn't make him a bust. If people don't think he will be, that doesn't mean they are "doubters" or worse. Someone can like Fredette and predict that he will be the 4th or 5th or 6th or even 7th wheel on the Kings.
his shooting form is the perfect form i have seen in years. also his shooting for will draw alot of fouls in the nba, because he sticks his elbow way in front so defenders have to time it.
watch how he sticks it infront. usually nba players try to reach.
he will be a fould drawing machine and a pick n roll machine
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#9
hey brick? do you know hes the best college player to come out in the last ten years? maybe thats why hes so hyped up. nobody has averaged more ppg than jimmer in over 10 years.
he averaged more ppg than jj redick, amo, durant, duncan, melo, you name it he has averaged more ppg in college.
a player who has there range. deserves the hype.
Is scoring marginally more points than JJ Reddick or Ammo supposed to be a recommendation? Scoring more points as a senior than Durant did as a frosh?

But regardless, its obvious he hasn't proven anything., let alone that he's the best college player ot come out in 10 years, or he would have gone #1, not #10. And he may turn out to be good, or may turn out to be not so good, but either way what he defintiely is is unproven and very hyped while Thronton has shown he very much belongs. If we had scored the #1 draft pick and taken Jimmer all the attention would be inevitable and possibly warranted. But when you take the #10 pick and he gets all this attention...sometimes I begin to worry a bit about some of the worst accusations about why that is true.
 
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#10
Is scoring marginally more points than JJ Reddick or Ammo supposed to be a recommendation? Scoring more points as a senior than Durant did as a frosh?

But regardless, its obvious he hasn't proven anything., let alone that he's the best college player ot come out in 10 years, or he would have gone #1, not #10. And he may turn out to be good, or may turn out to be not so good, but either way what he defintiely is is unproven and very hyped while Thronton has shown he very much belongs. If we had scored the #1 draft pick and taken Thornton all the attention would be inevitable and possibly warranted. But when you take the #10 pick and he gets all this attention...sometimes I begin to worry a bit about some of the worst accusations about why that is true.
all the people also said cousins was going to suck, no jumpshot and too short too play and too fat

they seemed right
 
#12
I am more interested in seeing how Thorton does this year rather than a rookie. I would love to see if Evans/Thorton backcourt could work.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#13
I noticed 4 out of 5 of the "experts" didn't think Tyreke would turn into a superstar. That is one of the points that I have to agree with, I think it's more likely that Cousins becomes our superstar player than Reke but that's just me.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#14
I noticed 4 out of 5 of the "experts" didn't think Tyreke would turn into a superstar. That is one of the points that I have to agree with, I think it's more likely that Cousins becomes our superstar player than Reke but that's just me.
The "experts" are bloggers.
 
#15
It's easy to grow tired of players who recieve so much hype, whether warranted or not. The only thing I would say in this instance is that there's really no point in faulting Jimmer as it's not down to him. The media are, by and large, complete idiots (who knew?) who don't even know what they're talking about most of the time. Jimmer is a guy who brings certain strengths and certain weaknesses, and by all accounts he is a decent guy and a hard worker. As long as he puts the work in and helps this team then he is a success. Logic should always prevail (this post isn't aimed at you BL, but in this case it's worth noting that I know you're a logical guy and will probably agree), so there's no use in coming to dislike Jimmer for the attention he gets. Thornton is definitely the third of our "big three" and it's frustrating that he's not getting the accolades he should be, but that will come in time if he proves himself over a longer period of time.

All I hope is that Jimmer fits in with the team and works hard. If he does that, he's a success.
 
#16
Those things actually bother me and through no fault of his own I'm beginning to get a little sick of Jimmer, and he hasn't even suited up for us. Our real "Big Three"/thrid guy is a restricted free agent right now, coming off a season when he again showed he can pour in 20 a night in this league. And things like this as they pile up...how many of these have to pop up before he maybe begins to think there is some greener grass somewhere where they are going to appreciate his abilities?
I wouldn't worry too much Brick. Most of the hype has NOT come from the Kings, who have been very clear on making the re-signing of Thorton a high priority.
 
#17
hey brick? do you know hes the best college player to come out in the last ten years? maybe thats why hes so hyped up. nobody has averaged more ppg than jimmer in over 10 years.
he averaged more ppg than jj redick, amo, durant, duncan, melo, you name it he has averaged more ppg in college.
a player who has there range. deserves the hype.
There is no doubt that Jimmer will be able to score in the NBA, and I feel he has solid PG skills as well. However, he has a long way to defensively and I don't think he will be taking Thorton's spot in the starting lineup this season. I do think he will be the Kings' primary 3rd guard behind Thorton and Evens. Time will tell how good he will be in the future.
 
#19
all the people also said cousins was going to suck, no jumpshot and too short too play and too fat

they seemed right
I don't really remember people being pissed off when we drafted Cousins. I think that was our best draft in a long long time. I had wanted Cousins when I first saw him play at UK.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#20
I noticed 4 out of 5 of the "experts" didn't think Tyreke would turn into a superstar. That is one of the points that I have to agree with, I think it's more likely that Cousins becomes our superstar player than Reke but that's just me.
Totally agree... Reke just doesnt have the BBIQ/freak athleticism to be a superstar. And then there is the ankle/plantar fasciitis. I still see him as a future (multi) allstar though. Dude is definitely going to have some more 20/5/5 seasons. I just cant see him ever being on anyones top 5 list of NBA players (which is the superstar tier IMHO). Nothing wrong with having an allstar. Dude doesnt need to be the next Wade.

DMC on the other hand...Also lacking in BBIQ/Athleticism....But his skillset is just nuts. If he puts it together (with the help of some REAL coaching *cough* fire Westfail *cough*) than he could easily put up 25/12/4.5 type of numbers. He is going to be nasty in his prime, hopefully as a King.


As for Jimmer....Dude is getting great white hyped to hell. Its going to blowback in his face when he doesnt average 20 ppg. Almost feel bad for him.
 
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kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#21
Totally agree... Reke just doesnt have the BBIQ/freak athleticism to be a superstar. And then there is the ankle/plantar fasciitis. I still see him as a future (multi) allstar though. Dude is definitely going to have some more 20/5/5 seasons. I just cant see him ever being on anyones top 5 list of NBA players (which is the superstar tier IMHO). Nothing wrong with having an allstar. Dude doesnt need to be the next Wade.

DMC on the other hand...Also lacking in BBIQ/Athleticism....But his skillset is just nuts. If he puts it together (with the help of some REAL coaching *cough* fire Westfail *cough*) than he could easily put up 25/12/4.5 type of numbers. He is going to be nasty in his prime, hopefully as a King.


As for Jimmer....Dude is getting great white hyped to hell. Its going to blowback in his face when he doesnt average 20 ppg. Almost feel bad for him.
We can be a winning team with Reke averaging his 20/5/5 but with better efficiency. The Kings just need DMC to turn into a superstar, not a all-star. If he follows suite, like I expect him to be then a perfect three way punch with DMC, Reke & Marcus is going to be fun to watch. As for Jimmer, I agree with you that they just need to leave the poor kid alone. He hasn't done anything yet and they are expecting too much. Just let him play his role as the sixth man or whatever he's going to be playing here in Sac. I also can't believe Thornton isn't getting enough recognition, I mean seriously. How many game winners did he hit for us?
 
#22
I feel like Jimmer has a lot of the same weaknesses scouts lumped on Stephan Curry. I just hope he turns out the same way and I consider that as his rational ceiling...which I think is pretty great for the tenth pick.

Though I share brick's concern. Thornton is legit already. He managed to provide exactly what we needed on the floor exactly when we needed it with uncanny frequency. It goes beyond the numbers. And I'm not sure how Jimmer/Evans/Thornton are meant to fit together.

So I'd hate for hype to effect anyone's decisions, whether it be related to resigning, playing time, or marketing moves (ala the Cousins' arco banner fiasco).
 
#23
Marcus Thornton was our best player from his first game as a King to the last game of the season. He was just spectacular for that stretch. And he gets no credit for it whatsoever...

But back to an old topic for a minute, I need to get over my love for Beno Udrih before I can fully get behind the Jimmer Fredette pick. I still cant wrap my head around trading Beno and a higher pick for Salmons and a lower pick. It just drives me crazy.

I would be 10 times more optimistic about this team if we had just kept Beno, drafted Knight and signed AK or Prince. I still think the Hickson deal was a no brainer ... and in any scenario we need to bring back Dalembert. Just ... Salmons, gross.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#25
I don't think anyone would accuse me of being negative on Fredette. I was a huge fan. But, I'll admit that the Jimmermania does get old at times. And as stated, Jimmer had nothing to do with it, other than fuel it with his play on the court. He was a great college player, and it ends there! Now he has to prove all over again that he has what it takes to succeed in the NBA. All the Jimmer hype started before his college season even started last year. 20 thousand plus fans would show up at the BYU games holding up signs praising Jimmer in some fashion. Every opposing teams defense was geared to doing one thing, stopping Fredette from scoring.

To Fredette's credit, he rose to the challenge, and for the most part, exceeded expectations. No mean feat, when you consider the weight of those expectations. But all that aside, anyone that reads what I write, knows that I'm a skills guy. I place a lot of value on the skill level of a player, or lack there of. If Jimmer were merely just a pure shooter, I wouldn't have ranked him as high as I did. It was the fact that he was also a very good ballhandler, and passer. It was the leadership he displayed on the court. The way he reacted to the pressure with the game on the line. To being double teamed, sometimes triple teamed, and still finding a way to get the job done.

I think he'll be a good addition to the team, and probably be used in a similar way to how Beno was used. Coming off the bench as the third guard. But Thornton is my starting SG along side Tyreke as the PG. At least thats the way I expect the season to start. What happens from there is all up to Jimmer and how he responds to the challenge of playing in the NBA. I personally think he'll be just fine. But I've been wrong before.

As for Cousins, I think everyone knows my thoughts on that subject. And judging from the positive response the day after he was drafted, I think the majority of fans on this fourm were pleased with the pick. But I would like to point out to whom it may concern, that simply because you really like a player that was drafted, it doesn't exclude that player from future criticism. I love Jimmer, but it won't stop me from criticizing him if he makes bonehead plays. And because I criticize him, it doesn't mean that I no longer like him.
 
#26
Maybe it's just me but I kind of viewed Marcus Thornton as that number 3 guy. If he plays anything like he did last year with that kind of ruthlessness and confidence I can't see too many teams putting out a number 3 like him.