Eric Moreland Waived

[Jkbiker]

does anyone know if we have 14 Guaranteed contracts?

Jason Jones says in his article we only have 13
Http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article29413576.html

But my research which was updated to 7/30 shows 14 contracts guaranteed
Http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/07/201516-roster-counts-sacramento-kings.html

 

[VF21]

WE HAD NOTHING TO LOSE.

But I think you mean the jury is indeed still out on him.

Under a stable organization, he would have been fine, he will be fine.

The debate about the greatness that is/might be Hassan Whiteside has been spun off into its own thread HERE.

 

[VF21]

does anyone know if we have 14 Guaranteed contracts?

Jason Jones says in his article we only have 13
Http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article29413576.html

But my research which was updated to 7/30 shows 14 contracts guaranteed
Http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/07/201516-roster-counts-sacramento-kings.html

What?! Jason Jones made a mistake? Oh noes!

I count 14, too...but are we sure about Anderson?

 

[k_dubb90]

You concluded he was foul prone by the 1 foul he committed in the 2 minutes he played all season? That's a bit of a stretch.

What I'm trying to say is, Why you guys in your feelings over a guy who didn't show much in summer league? Some of yall acting like he could've been our Draymond green

 

[New Era]

Confused as to why Dukan deserves a roster spot over Moreland.

Because Moreland is redundant with WCS and KK. Dukan can shoot and stretch the floor.

 

[jcassio]

Because Moreland is redundant with WCS and KK. Dukan can shoot and stretch the floor.

Does having two shot-blockers (okay, potential shot-blockers) on one team rise to the level of redundancy? Beyond Moreland and WCS both being rim protectors, they have nothing else in common (except for the label "potential").

 

[Bricklayer]

Does having two shot-blockers (okay, potential shot-blockers) on one team rise to the level of redundancy? Beyond Moreland and WCS both being rim protectors, they have nothing else in common (except for the label "potential").

Well, Karl notoriously did not want to play Koufos/Faried and McGee together. This is an offensive minded coach, getting him to put 2 non-scoring bigs on the court at once would be tough. And they didn't seem to do well together out there in SL. Of course if Moreland was the 12th man I don't know how often it would even come up.

 

[Bricklayer]

Because Moreland is redundant with WCS and KK. Dukan can shoot and stretch the floor.

Dukan has to prove he's anything more than an amazing scrub who shot well for a few weeks. He can't stretch anything from Iran, or whatever league it is that his talent level dictates.

 

[peacelate]

Because Moreland is redundant with WCS and KK. Dukan can shoot and stretch the floor.

People say Dukan can shoot, but why didn't he shoot well in college?

 

[jcwkings]

People say Dukan can shoot, but why didn't he shoot well in college?

Alot of guys can be average shooters in college and become good shooters. My guess is he realized his best bet to make a career for himself is to be able to shoot the three ball at his size. Maybe in college he worked on his overall game and since then he has dedicated the majority of his time to spot shots. I dont know, his shot looked pure to me and Vlade and the coaches saw him/got to know him and gave him a contract. They obviously see something there. We as fans only get to see 48 minutes, what makes a pro is how they conduct themselves the rest of the day.

 

[KingMilz]

People say Dukan can shoot, but why didn't he shoot well in college?

I'm not even sure Dukan can shoot it better than Quincy.... and he basically does nothing else better where as Moreland at least had size/length that Acy didn't . Seems really strange I mean whats the point of Dukan when we got Gay/Acy/Butler/Casspi all capable of playing stretch PF better than him and all of them defend the SF better than him.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not even sure Dukan can shoot it better than Quincy.... and he basically does nothing else better where as Moreland at least had size/length that Acy didn't . Seems really strange I mean whats the point of Dukan when we got Gay/Acy/Butler/Casspi all capable of playing stretch PF better than him and all of them defend the SF better than him.

Moreland's contract was coming due. Really was that simple. We were going to be locked in on him if we kept him past this week. The other scrubbies are still fungible at any time (well some reports bizarrely indicated we gave Dukan some sort of guaranteed money, which was kind of hard to believe given that there was probably absolutely no competition for his services.

 

[New Era]

Dukan has to prove he's anything more than an amazing scrub who shot well for a few weeks. He can't stretch anything from Iran, or whatever league it is that his talent level dictates.

You are very grumpy and negative lately

 

[funkykingston]

You are very grumpy and negative lately

Fixed that for you.

That said, I am a little apprehensive and possibly bordering on grumpy and negative about some of the latest roster moves. It concerns me to have a third PG with no NBA experience and who is more of a SG in a PGs body. It concerns me that we waived Eric Moreland without yet adding a replacement big.

Some have waved off these moves as trivial or inconsequential and in most years I'd agree. I've gotten used to expecting the Kings to be bottom dwellers in the midst of their perpetual "rebuild" as they have been for the last decade. But this year is an all-in, let's win some games and fight for a playoff spot year. That's why Vlade gave away a first rounder to Philadelphia. That's why Vlade jettisoned young guys in Stauskas and McCallum. And that's why Vlade gambled on Rondo. That's why Vlade refused to trade Boogie and why he's said he's going to work hard to mend the relationship between he and Karl. It was all in the name of making a big turnaround in the final year before entering a new building.

And so there's extra focus on any potential holes that can lead to the S.S. Kings taking on water. The third PG on the Kings WILL play minutes. Based on their injury history I'd guess that Rondo or Collison will miss 10-20 games. That's a big chunk where Seth Curry would be the backup PG and has to keep us in games. I was already nervous about Moreland being essentially the fourth big. Signing Acy made him the fifth which is a bit better but again, at some point in the season the Kings will have to rely on that 5th big. Is Dukan ready to be a contributor? I'd love for him to become a Brian Scalabrine or Matt Bonner type player but both of those guys averaged 15 ppg their last couple seasons in college. In his final season Dukan didn't even score 5 ppg. If he has to play meaningful minutes the Kings are in trouble.

This is an important year and even these minor moves are really important if the goal really is to make the playoffs.

 

[Bricklayer]

You are very grumpy and negative lately

Don't make a 23yr old probably never will even be a rookie who never averaged 5ppg in college the Waterloo of your positivity. If you just wanted random scrubby can kinda shoot big men there must be 100 better prospects in Europe.

An interesting sidenote that has my eyebrow particularly raised is that Dukan was born in Croatia. The name might have suggested descent, but he was actually born there. So we have Peja show up in SL, Vlade wanting to hire him in some capacity, rumors that Peja was pushing the Bargnani idea during SL, and the simultaneous post SL signing of another scrubby 6'10" would be shooter originally from the country where Peja grew up playing. Is Peja's putative position Director of Find-A-Peja? If so his first couple of stabs at it may have been pretty terrible.

 

[bajaden]

People say Dukan can shoot, but why didn't he shoot well in college?

I explained that in another post. I'm not going through it again. Let me simplify. Players aren't static. They work on their game, and they improve. He only shot around 33% from the three his senior year. That doesn't mean he's branded with it, and condemned to shoot 33% for the rest of his life. By the way, he shot 36% from the three his junior year, which isn't great, but it's not bad.

 

[peacelate]

I explained that in another post. I'm not going through it again. Let me simplify. Players aren't static. They work on their game, and they improve. He only shot around 33% from the three his senior year. That doesn't mean he's branded with it, and condemned to shoot 33% for the rest of his life. By the way, he shot 36% from the three his junior year, which isn't great, but it's not bad.

His Junior year he attempted 41 3's. That's a small sample size. In his college career, he was a .656 FT shooter.

 

[VF21]

An interesting sidenote that has my eyebrow particularly raised is that Dukan was born in Croatia. The name might have suggested descent, but he was actually born there. So we have Peja show up in SL, Vlade wanting to hire him in some capacity, rumors that Peja was pushing the Bargnani idea during SL, and the simultaneous post SL signing of another scrubby 6'10" would be shooter originally from the country where Peja grew up playing. Is Peja's putative position Director of Find-A-Peja? If so his first couple of stabs at it may have been pretty terrible.

Am I missing something? Peja played in and for Serbia, which is not Croatia. Drazen Petrovic was Croatian, and my first random thought was perhaps Dukan is related to him.

 

[jcwkings]

Am I missing something? Peja played in and for Serbia, which is not Croatia. Drazen Petrovic was Croatian, and my first random thought was perhaps Dukan is related to him.

Those are all countries of the former Yugoslavia. Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia all probably have similar or identical cultures.

 

[Bricklayer]

Am I missing something? Peja played in and for Serbia, which is not Croatia. Drazen Petrovic was Croatian, and my first random thought was perhaps Dukan is related to him.

Peja's an ethnic Serb, but he was born and raised in Croatia (or the Croatian part of the former Yugoslavia) until the 90s wars. Not sure how old he was when they were forced out to Serbia (or actually I think in his case, Greece), but Yugoslavia would have broken up when he was about 13-15.

 

[VF21]

Peja's an ethnic Serb, but he was born and raised in Croatia (or the Croatian part of the former Yugoslavia) until the 90s wars. Not sure how old he was when they were forced out to Serbia (or actually I think in his case, Greece), but Yugoslavia would have broken up when he was about 13-15.

I never knew that. Guess I should have looked him up in Wikipedia first.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Those are all countries of the former Yugoslavia. Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia all probably have similar or identical cultures.

Let's put it this way: Yugoslavia did not dissolve, nor did the entire Balkan region spend a large part of the nineties embroiled in a civil war, because the Serbs, Bosnians, and Croatians all thought they were one big family.

 

[andjel]

Let's put it this way: Yugoslavia did not dissolve, nor did the entire Balkan region spend a large part of the nineties embroiled in a civil war, because the Serbs, Bosnians, and Croatians all thought they were one big family.

Let's put it this way: jcwkings correct statement regarding similarity (not identity) of cultures after 70 years as a one big family is not a good reason to open Pandora's box.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I'm Bosnian and I'll be the first to admit that the war continues to be a sensitive issue for many. Each person you ask will give you a different answer. Definitely not a topic to be taken lightly, especially since the Russians recently declared that Srebrenica was not mass genocide. People are pi**ed.

 

[VF21]

I'm closing this thread in keeping with our long-standing board policy of not discussing politics or religion.