Draft Derrick Williams!!

[TheWileyVet]

Please??

I think he is the ideal player to fill the void at our SF position. He's got size but he's very athletic. He can play down low with power and can shoot from beyond the arc. He's a good defender and has decent handles. Anyone else think that we should take Williams regardless of draft position if he's avail??


Go SACRAMENTO Kings! That is all.

 

[Vlade4GM]

He's not likely to fall past 2, so we'd have to get lucky in the lottery or trade for him. Williams is an alright prospect, but I'm not buying into him as much as others are. Irving is the best prospect in this draft right now.

 

[TheWileyVet]

Imho we need a solid 3 more than a "pure point guard" and Williams is the best avail 3 in the draft. I'd be happy with Barnes too (if he declares) or Terrance Jones as well I guess.

 

[hiero]

I think we all love him, but we likely won't have a chance he's a top 2 pick

 

[Vlade4GM]

Imho we need a solid 3 more than a "pure point guard" and Williams is the best avail 3 in the draft. I'd be happy with Barnes too (if he declares) or Terrance Jones as well I guess.

BPA only.

 

[kingsboi]

Could we really strike gold three years in a row? Unlikely but I don't think we need to come out with Williams/Irving to strike gold because if we can somehow have Walker drop to us I think that would be ideal. Knight wouldn't be a bad pick either if he were there, regardless, if we get either Walker/Knight they wouldn't be starting for us but they could provide what James Harden provides for the Thunder and that's an instant offense type of player off the bench to help carry the load.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Has he officially declared?

If he does I want him, but I'd also like him to stay and bring a Natty to Tuscon.

OMFG, did I just use the term Natty???

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Has he officially declared?

He has officially declared. I think it's pretty clear that Williams and Irving will go in the #1/#2 slots in some order. The only reason you don't pick Williams if he's on the board is if you're at #1 and you make the decision for Irving. I'd table this discussion until we actually win the lottery.

 

[funkykingston]

Regardless of where the lottery has the Kings ending up, my preference is that they trade this year's pick. I don't see anyone projected to go in the top 6 or so that would be a great fit for the Kings roster.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

While I agree I think its also a given that the idiots that spend most of their NBA lives picking in the lottery tend to get infatuated with other players during workouts and combines and make dumb picks. In theory Williams could fall to 3 or 4 for teams that want a BIG BIG or if the top spots need PGs.

 

[hrdboild]

Most likely Irving/Williams are the top 2. If Barnes does come out then they'll split the top 3 spots. There's always a chance someone else impresses in workouts/combine and sneaks in there -- the international players are a wild card, particularly this year since there's no American bigs at the top of the draft. But Williams is my favorite player in this draft and also happens to be a good fit so I'd be thrilled if we do move up and snag him, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Regardless of where the lottery has the Kings ending up, my preference is that they trade this year's pick. I don't see anyone projected to go in the top 6 or so that would be a great fit for the Kings roster.

Whatever Petrie does is what I'm going with. What he's done the past few years was all I needed to have faith in his drafting abilities.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Regardless of where the lottery has the Kings ending up, my preference is that they trade this year's pick. I don't see anyone projected to go in the top 6 or so that would be a great fit for the Kings roster.

BPA > fit

All that matters is that whoever you can get at that pick is more valuable than whoever you can get in trade market. If the Kings just trade away a draft pick because there's no "fit", then that would be most unwise.

 

[bajaden]

While I agree I think its also a given that the idiots that spend most of their NBA lives picking in the lottery tend to get infatuated with other players during workouts and combines and make dumb picks. In theory Williams could fall to 3 or 4 for teams that want a BIG BIG or if the top spots need PGs.

Not a chance in hell that Williams falls beyond the second spot. Its more likely that Irving would fall. And thats only because some of the teams, like Minny don't need another PG. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Not a chance in hell that Williams falls beyond the second spot. Its more likely that Irving would fall. And thats only because some of the teams, like Minny don't need another PG. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

You're probably right but never underestimate the stupidity of those who routinely pick in the lottery.

I'm probably just hopeful out of bitterness based on how he was constantly downplayed by the national media all season.

 

[bajaden]

You're probably right but never underestimate the stupidity of those who routinely pick in the lottery.

I'm probably just hopeful out of bitterness based on how he was constantly downplayed by the national media all season.

I understand. But the media doesn't do the drafting. If I, or you, or anyone else that spends the time to watch enough college basketball can figure out that Williams is a top two, if not the first pick in the draft, then I'm sure the scouting staff of all the teams can figure it out as well. He was a top two pick going into the tournament, and if he did anything, he enhanced that opinion in the tournament. What we have to hope for, is that we get lucky with the ping pong balls just once.

I know you said you rather trade the pick if we don't pick top two. I'm not of that opinion, unless of course the trade is a no brainer. We still have a lot of cap room for a freeagent, or a financially lopsided trade, to solve our SF problem. I don't think the team is desperate for another star. But having solid depth off the bench will win a lot of games for you. When you get to a point where the guys coming off the bench could start for another team, then your there.

 

[hiero]

Regardless of where the lottery has the Kings ending up, my preference is that they trade this year's pick. I don't see anyone projected to go in the top 6 or so that would be a great fit for the Kings roster.

any elite or great young talent is a good fit for the kings at this point. as far as filling holes/needs in this draft Derrick Williams and Terrence jones and maybe Kenneth faried Alec burks all fill needs on the kings which is essentially a sf or wing player and are very talented and worth a top 6-7 pick.

 

[funkykingston]

any elite or great young talent is a good fit for the kings at this point. as far as filling holes/needs in this draft Derrick Williams and Terrence jones Kenneth faried and maybe Alec burks all fill needs on the kings which is essentially a sf or wing player and are very talented and worth a top 6-7 pick.

When I say fit, I'm not just talking about basketball skills and position. I'm also talking about the fact that the Kings are incredibly young and don't really need more youth. I see this team being in a position to take a big leap forward next year and in my opinion dealing for established talent would be a better decision than another rookie who will need a year or two to develop and really contribute - especially in what I view as a very weak draft.

 

[Vlade4GM]

When I say fit, I'm not just talking about basketball skills and position. I'm also talking about the fact that the Kings are incredibly young and don't really need more youth. I see this team being in a position to take a big leap forward next year and in my opinion dealing for established talent would be a better decision than another rookie who will need a year or two to develop and really contribute - especially in what I view as a very weak draft.

A big leap? Eh, that's relative. It doesn't matter how big of a leap you make, it only matters where that leap takes you. If we win 20 more games next year, that's a pretty big leap, but we'd only be a team that's 3 games above .500. That would have missed the playoffs this year in the Western Conference. So rushing the gun and trying to make our team a finished product next year at the possible expense of perhaps adding a valuable young talent, is not that smart. You should never go into a draft saying "we're going to trade our pick," because then you're throwing yourself at the mercy of the trade market. The draft at least has that unknown factor, in that, even though it may be an average or weak draft, there's still always good young talent to be had, it's just not as probable as it is in stronger drafts. 2006 was a weak draft but it still yielded: Bargnani, Aldridge, Roy, Gay, Rondo, and Millsap. I'd take the possibility of those guys (with the added benefit of having them on rookie deals) over some veteran we can get with the 6th or 7th pick that will probably take up cap space. And remember, in the 09 draft, all Washington could get for the 5th pick was Mike Miller and Randy Foye, both had expiring contracts too. So what would we get with a lower pick in a seemingly weaker draft?

 

[Vlade4GM]

any elite or great young talent is a good fit for the kings at this point. as far as filling holes/needs in this draft Derrick Williams and Terrence jones and maybe Kenneth faried Alec burks all fill needs on the kings which is essentially a sf or wing player and are very talented and worth a top 6-7 pick.

I would argue that Burks would be more of a bpa pick than fit. He's a thin SG shot creator that can't shoot all that well.

 

[hiero]

I would argue that Burks would be more of a bpa pick than fit. He's a thin SG shot creator that can't shoot all that well.

you are probably right there, I don't know much about him, the only guys I really know are d Williams barnes and t jones. looking at his profile someone compared him to Kevin Martin and I've soured on him. I'd rather go frontcourt if the player is there.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I know you said you rather trade the pick if we don't pick top two. I'm not of that opinion, unless of course the trade is a no brainer. We still have a lot of cap room for a freeagent, or a financially lopsided trade, to solve our SF problem. I don't think the team is desperate for another star. But having solid depth off the bench will win a lot of games for you. When you get to a point where the guys coming off the bench could start for another team, then your there.

That wasn't me, I'm fine using the pick. Most likely we'd still be picking an impact player even if that means 6th man.

But hey, this is the year the balls bounce our way

 

[Shabazz916]

Id like the kings to take any1 who plays hard on defense

 

[Smills91]

Imho we need a solid 3 more than a "pure point guard" and Williams is the best avail 3 in the draft. I'd be happy with Barnes too (if he declares) or Terrance Jones as well I guess.

Disagree with you on both accounts. 1) Irving is not a pure PG in the Stockton, Nash, Calderon sense. He's more of a PG in the Paul, Rose, Williams sense but with less athleticism. 2) I think we need to upgrade the 1 position much moreso than the 3 position. Between Greene, Casspi, Garcia and even Tyreke the minutes at the 3 are fine, if the minutes at the 1 are augmented. Also, if you are into thinking this way, I think the 3 is easier to upgrade in free agency than the 1 would be.

 

[Vlade4GM]

He has less athleticism than Paul and Rose, but not Williams. He's a better athlete than Williams, but he obviously does not have his size.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

FYI, I hadn't heard anything yet about when the lottery was this year, so I just Googled it.

For anyone interested it appears it will be held on May 17th. So basically one month from today.

 

[bajaden]

That wasn't me, I'm fine using the pick. Most likely we'd still be picking an impact player even if that means 6th man.

But hey, this is the year the balls bounce our way

My bad, that was funky that made that statement. Well, the two of you sort of look alike.... Boy, I'm in trouble now!

 

[bajaden]

He has less athleticism than Paul and Rose, but not Williams. He's a better athlete than Williams, but he obviously does not have his size.

Yeah, Williams is built like a football player. There's nothing wrong with Irving's athleticism. His game reminds me a lot of Paul's. Very similar style, and a quiet scorer. By quiet, I mean at the end of the game you see he has 23 pts and you don't remember him getting that many. He's just very solid without all the flash. And I would definitely say that he looks to pass first and shoot second. Frankly, I'm getting a little sick and tired of this "Pure Point Guard" stuff. They come in all shapes and sizes, and all you need to do is find the one that fits the needs of your team the best.

If you have a team made up of very good passers at most if not all the positions, then you don't need a pass first PG. Similar to when we had Webb, Vlade, Christie, Peja and Bibby. Right now, our current team is leaning in that direction, with Cousins, Dalembert, Thornton, and Evans. The only hole is at SF, as far as passing goes. Which is one of the reasons I'm a little more high on T. Jones than some others might be. He's a very good ballhandler and passer. However, he hasn't declared for the draft yet, so it may be a moot point..

 

[bajaden]

FYI, I hadn't heard anything yet about when the lottery was this year, so I just Googled it.

For anyone interested it appears it will be held on May 17th. So basically one month from today.

For those wanting to mark their calendar's, the NBA combine runs from may 18th to the 22nd. The draft is on june 23rd.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

My bad, that was funky that made that statement. Well, the two of you sort of look alike.... Boy, I'm in trouble now!

Yeah... well you look like a chimpanzee!!!