Does T-Will Make Tyreke Expendable?

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Compare T-Will to Tyreke.

Tyreke is superior in his contortionist ability to dribble drive.

T-Will is superior in the following:

Defense
Rebounding
Outside Shooting

They are probably about the same in their ability to make plays for others.

So does T-Will make Tyreke expendable?


PS The experiment of Tyreke at the 2 guard against Phoenix was a dismal failure.
 
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Compare T-Will to Tyreke.

Tyreke is superior in his contortionist ability to dribble drive.

T-Will is superior in the following:

Defense
Rebounding
Outside Shooting

They are probably about the same in their ability to make plays for others.

So does T-Will make Tyreke expendable?


PS The experiment of Tyreke at the 2 guard against Phoenix was a dismal failure.

PS sure it was, considering we played him exactly the same way we normally do with him at the 3. For example of playing Tyreke effectively at SG, see the Twolves game, where we were giving him the ball at the elbow.

I am not so sure Twill is superior in defense. He is bigger and jumps much higher so definitely Twill's rebounding is better.
 
Maybe we can trade him to Chicago. I'm sure a lot of fans over there are willing to trade D-Rose after they are 11-5 or something without him. Watson and Lucas are doing pretty good...
 
Compare T-Will to Tyreke.

Tyreke is superior in his contortionist ability to dribble drive.

T-Will is superior in the following:

Defense
Rebounding
Outside Shooting

They are probably about the same in their ability to make plays for others.

So does T-Will make Tyreke expendable?


PS The experiment of Tyreke at the 2 guard against Phoenix was a dismal failure.
So bad its funny.
 
The inarticulate replies speak volumes to the depth of the posters. The only thing that's left is for you to say: Goo, goo, gah, gah...
 
Kingster, as a topic of conversation regarding trade, Tyreke (and also Cousins) are off limits on this board. Tyreke is a starter and he will be a King for life. Just accept it. Anything that deviate from that is pure blasphemy.

But you actually brought up an interesting point. We are obviously going to give Tyreke a lot of burn to see him develops with other players. Problem #1 is we don't have those "other players" yet. Until the Kings managed to get an NBA calibre starting lineup, we will never find out the real Tyreke. Problem #2 is the few guys that I'm willing to trade Tyreke for is not available. Problem #3 is I don't know if this relatively issue-free T-Will is the real T-Will. Who's to say that once Tyreke is gone and Williams locks up the starting job that he won't get a big head and revert to acting like a child again?

Bottom line is I would like at least another season of see Tyreke and T-Will, and hopefully with upgrades at PF and PG, before I even think about trading Tyreke. And my gut tells me that if we somehow trade Evans we're going to come to regret it.
 
We have so little talent on this team that we lose, lose, lose and lose. Why get rid of what little talent we have? Do you have a death wish?
 
On the question - Are you kidding me? TWill may have enough usefulness that we may keep him next year. May. Tyreke is flat out one of our two best players on the team and a keeper.

I looked at this and the "Grades" threads today and was made to think that today is Drama 101 tryouts. Everyone of us vying for an Academy award for the most outlandish suggestion of the year. Otherwise it is a quiet day.
 
I vehemently disagree with the the OP regarding Reke.

but just because they happen to have a different opinion to me, it doesn't make them a troll.

Even if i had a genuine concern, question or point of discussion about Reke's game, i wouldn't bother posting it quite honestly.
 
I vehemently disagree with the the OP regarding Reke.

but just because they happen to have a different opinion to me, it doesn't make them a troll.

Even if i had a genuine concern, question or point of discussion about Reke's game, i wouldn't bother posting it quite honestly.

I don't think anyone accused Kingster of being a troll. He, like myself, may be irritating at times, but he's hardly a troll. But to answer his question. No, I don't think it makes Tyreke expendable, but it does give us a chance to contrast him against someone that already does some of the things we would like Tyreke to do. I know everyone thinks that Tyreke's biggest weakness is his jumpshot. Its certainly high on the list, but I think his biggest weakness is his poor decision making. And at least for now, thats where T Will excells. He almost always makes the right decision, whether its passing the ball or shooting the ball.

In other words, T Will is taking what the other team is giving him. But Tyreke, god bless him, seems to ignore the obvious, and continues to force square pegs into round holes. Thats the bad part. The good part, is that he doesn't always do it. I've seen improvement in that area, and not only when the other team is poor defensively. Hey, he's not alone in that. There are times that Thornton thinks he immune to krytonite, and drives into sure turnovers. It just that Tyreke does it the most, and also that Thornton has other options available to him.

Tyreke, IT, and Thornton all have a little, "I'm going to win this game by myself" in them. And you want a little of that in your player. As long as its tempered, and doesn't interfere with team play. And thats the line that Tyreke crosses to often. I think he honestly believes that if he doesn't succeed this time, he'll succeed next time, or the time after that, instead of realizing that the odds are stacked against him on this given night, and he has to do something else to help the team.

Will he ever learn? I'd like to think so, but no one knows for sure. All I know is that he can do things that only a few players in the league can do. And you don't throw that away, unless your totally convinced you have a better option, or that his style just won't work on this team.
 
Tyreke is a starter and should stay a King. T Will has looked pretty good and may be a good 7th or 8th man type of player if he will accept that type of role and the contract that comes with it. The contract T Will gets should be incentive laden and have team options for renewal.

KB
 
Tyreke isn't nearly as good as some of the people on this board make him out to be, but it is completely ridiculous to say a guy who has come in and played a few good games after bouncing around a few teams in his first 3 years makes him expendable. I am loving how T-Will is playing, by the way.

Good to see the mods are still classy to people who hold different views than them.
 
I like Tyreke but i feel like the only way we are going to succeed with him running the show is to build our entire offense around him. That wouldn't be so bad if he could shoot and had a little more court vision...but that isn't the case. Its pretty clear that Cousins is the man but in my mind i feel like Tyreke can't flourish unless HE is the man.... and by that I'm referring to his style of play, not his attitude or mindset. It seems to be popular around here to just assume this is all going to work itself out but I have my worries.
 
The inarticulate replies speak volumes to the depth of the posters. The only thing that's left is for you to say: Goo, goo, gah, gah...
You post about a guy who just had his 10 day contract picked up making one of the faces of the franchise obsolete and you expect serious, well thought out responses? Really?
 
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Don't you think we need to sign T Will for a longer contract before we think about trading Tyreke? I'm all for trading Tyreke (just check my post history) but, how many years do we have this guy signed to a contract ? Is he an unrestricted FA ? Why wouldn't he just bolt ?
 
I don't think anyone accused Kingster of being a troll. He, like myself, may be irritating at times, but he's hardly a troll. But to answer his question. No, I don't think it makes Tyreke expendable, but it does give us a chance to contrast him against someone that already does some of the things we would like Tyreke to do. I know everyone thinks that Tyreke's biggest weakness is his jumpshot. Its certainly high on the list, but I think his biggest weakness is his poor decision making. And at least for now, thats where T Will excells. He almost always makes the right decision, whether its passing the ball or shooting the ball.

In other words, T Will is taking what the other team is giving him. But Tyreke, god bless him, seems to ignore the obvious, and continues to force square pegs into round holes. Thats the bad part. The good part, is that he doesn't always do it. I've seen improvement in that area, and not only when the other team is poor defensively. Hey, he's not alone in that. There are times that Thornton thinks he immune to krytonite, and drives into sure turnovers. It just that Tyreke does it the most, and also that Thornton has other options available to him.

Tyreke, IT, and Thornton all have a little, "I'm going to win this game by myself" in them. And you want a little of that in your player. As long as its tempered, and doesn't interfere with team play. And thats the line that Tyreke crosses to often. I think he honestly believes that if he doesn't succeed this time, he'll succeed next time, or the time after that, instead of realizing that the odds are stacked against him on this given night, and he has to do something else to help the team.

Will he ever learn? I'd like to think so, but no one knows for sure. All I know is that he can do things that only a few players in the league can do. And you don't throw that away, unless your totally convinced you have a better option, or that his style just won't work on this team.

I think it was the picture of the Troll that gave it away ;)

As for your summation, i'd say it's spot on.
 
The inarticulate replies speak volumes to the depth of the posters. The only thing that's left is for you to say: Goo, goo, gah, gah...

You know what, you're right. Let's move Tyreke, wallow in mediocrity, lose Cousins because we lost another player that defenses have to plan for, and head back to the depths of the NBA where we would belong.

Think about this logically. You don't have to game plan for IT. You don't have to game plan for MT. They can score points, but that's about it. You let them score, and that alone isn't going to beat you. Cousins and Evans are disruptive forces, despite how you feel. They have the potential take over offensively, and defensively, causing a team to throw a game plan out the window and hold on for dear life. You're talking about removing a player of that potential caliber.

BTW, did you know that IT is older than Evans? How about Williams? Also older. Evans is still growing as a person and an NBA player. We need to help him out a lot more than we have been.
 
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