bajaden
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Some of this argument is whether Petrie has a plan or not? Or is he even capable of having a plan? He came here in 1994 and he inherited a mess and an ownership with limited resources. The team had traded away future draft choices and was over the cap with no immediate end in sight. For fours years all he did was draft players and bide his time. He made a great pick in Brian Grant in 1994 along with Micheal Smith and Funderburke in the second round. Unfortunately Grant walked before the 1998 season where Petrie finally made some moves. He traded Richmond for Webber, signed Vlade Divac, Coaxed Peja from europe, and drafted Jason Williams.. 1998 was the first time the Kings had any cap space to work with. Prior to that, there were rumblings that the Kings had improved under Petrie, but that didn't seem to be any type of plan.
One could argue that he simply got lucky. Or one could argue that he used what was available that off season and chose wisely. Just depends on which side of the fence your on. Having the Maloof's buy in certainly helped on the financial side. But in the end, it appeared that he did have a plan. He's a very patient man. And frankly at times it drives me nuts.
As an aside. Although Douby seems to be the poster boy for Petrie when it comes to bad draft picks. He has had some picks that one could argue over. Ryan Robertson in the second round instead of Manu Ginobili, just leaps off the page. Olivier St. James in 1997 doesn't stand out as anything special, although it was a weak draft. But he did pass on Bobby Jackson and Anthony Parker. And in 1998, although Jason Williams helped turn the franchise around, and no one can argue with the ultimate result, he did pass on Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, and Bonzi Wells.
So he's far from perfect, but all in all his track record in the draft is better than average in general, and excellent at times. When you look at his predecessors, he looks like a genious.
!985 the Kings draft Joe Kleine. Definitely a pick based on need. They passed on Chris Mullin, Detlef Schrempf, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone, Joe Dumars, Terry Porter, and way down in the fourth round ( thats right folks, they used to have four rounds ) Spud Webb.
In 1986 the Kings drafted Harold Presley. Strickly name recognition, and I don't mean Elvis. I mean the fact that he had just come off an NCCA title. But they passed on Scott Skiles, Arvidas Sabonis, Mark Price, Dennis Rodman, Nate McMillan, Jeff Hornacek, Otis Smith, and Drazen Petrovic.
In 1987 the Kings drafted Kenny Smith. Once again name recognition, this time big school name recognition. North Carolina: Not a terrible pick, but they did pass on Kevin Johnson, Horace Grant, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and Derrick McKey. The Kings drafted for need with this pick. They were in desperate need of a point guard. Smith wasn't that bad, but the irony is that they passed on two of the all time great point guards in Jackson and Johnson.
In 1988 they traded to acquire a first round pick and picked Rickey Berry. He ended up being a terrific pick in a very weak draft. The rest is history.
In 1989 the infamous Pervis Ellison pick. Turned out to be a very bad pick. Pervis wasn't my pick. I wanted Sean Elliott, but I couldn't fault the pick. But we also passed on Glenn Rice, Tim Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, Vlade Divac, Cliff Robertson, and B.J. Armstrong.
The last one I'll hit you with is the 1990 draft. The Kings had four first round picks. First let me say that it wasn't a particularly deep draft. But with four picks, one would think you could just throw a dart at a board with all the picks and do better than the Kings did.
Lionel Simmons, Travis Mays, Duane Causwell, and Anthony Bonner. Of the four only Simmons was a credible pick, and except for a knee injury might have been a great pick. They passed on Tyrone Hill, Terry Mills, Dee Brown, Gerold Glass, Elden Campbell, Toni Kukoc, A.J. English, Jud Beuchler, Cedric Ceballos, Derek Strong, and Sean Higgins. Maybe none of these players are hall of famers, but all of them, and I mean all of them are better than Mays, Causwell, and Bonner.
When the Kings arrived from Kansas City they had the makings of a good young team. Players like Theus, Mike Woodson, John Drew, Otis Thorpe, Eddie Johnson, and Tank Thompson were the core of this team. The team had been sucessful in KC with players like Otis Birdsong and Michael Ray Richardson. In just a few short years most of these players had been traded away for the likes of Derek Smith and Franklin Edwards ( both arriving injured), Junior Bridgeman. Later Otis went for Jim Peterson and Rodney McCray, and then Jim Peterson to the Warriors for Ralph Sampson and his big contract. ( also arriving injured )
From 1985 to at least 1990 a a good young team had been destroyed and replaced with bad draft choices and injured players with big contracts through trades. There were other less than stellar moves and misfortunes. Such as the injury to Bobby Hurley. But most of the damage had been done between 1985 and 1990. It wasn't until 1998 that the Kings emerged from the finanical abyss. So don't think things can't get worse. I doubt that they could ever get that bad again, but never say never. This ended up being a pretty big Aside. But there are probably people out there that don't know the history of this franchise since it came here. Sorry for being so long winded...
One could argue that he simply got lucky. Or one could argue that he used what was available that off season and chose wisely. Just depends on which side of the fence your on. Having the Maloof's buy in certainly helped on the financial side. But in the end, it appeared that he did have a plan. He's a very patient man. And frankly at times it drives me nuts.
As an aside. Although Douby seems to be the poster boy for Petrie when it comes to bad draft picks. He has had some picks that one could argue over. Ryan Robertson in the second round instead of Manu Ginobili, just leaps off the page. Olivier St. James in 1997 doesn't stand out as anything special, although it was a weak draft. But he did pass on Bobby Jackson and Anthony Parker. And in 1998, although Jason Williams helped turn the franchise around, and no one can argue with the ultimate result, he did pass on Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, and Bonzi Wells.
So he's far from perfect, but all in all his track record in the draft is better than average in general, and excellent at times. When you look at his predecessors, he looks like a genious.
!985 the Kings draft Joe Kleine. Definitely a pick based on need. They passed on Chris Mullin, Detlef Schrempf, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone, Joe Dumars, Terry Porter, and way down in the fourth round ( thats right folks, they used to have four rounds ) Spud Webb.
In 1986 the Kings drafted Harold Presley. Strickly name recognition, and I don't mean Elvis. I mean the fact that he had just come off an NCCA title. But they passed on Scott Skiles, Arvidas Sabonis, Mark Price, Dennis Rodman, Nate McMillan, Jeff Hornacek, Otis Smith, and Drazen Petrovic.
In 1987 the Kings drafted Kenny Smith. Once again name recognition, this time big school name recognition. North Carolina: Not a terrible pick, but they did pass on Kevin Johnson, Horace Grant, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and Derrick McKey. The Kings drafted for need with this pick. They were in desperate need of a point guard. Smith wasn't that bad, but the irony is that they passed on two of the all time great point guards in Jackson and Johnson.
In 1988 they traded to acquire a first round pick and picked Rickey Berry. He ended up being a terrific pick in a very weak draft. The rest is history.
In 1989 the infamous Pervis Ellison pick. Turned out to be a very bad pick. Pervis wasn't my pick. I wanted Sean Elliott, but I couldn't fault the pick. But we also passed on Glenn Rice, Tim Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, Vlade Divac, Cliff Robertson, and B.J. Armstrong.
The last one I'll hit you with is the 1990 draft. The Kings had four first round picks. First let me say that it wasn't a particularly deep draft. But with four picks, one would think you could just throw a dart at a board with all the picks and do better than the Kings did.
Lionel Simmons, Travis Mays, Duane Causwell, and Anthony Bonner. Of the four only Simmons was a credible pick, and except for a knee injury might have been a great pick. They passed on Tyrone Hill, Terry Mills, Dee Brown, Gerold Glass, Elden Campbell, Toni Kukoc, A.J. English, Jud Beuchler, Cedric Ceballos, Derek Strong, and Sean Higgins. Maybe none of these players are hall of famers, but all of them, and I mean all of them are better than Mays, Causwell, and Bonner.
When the Kings arrived from Kansas City they had the makings of a good young team. Players like Theus, Mike Woodson, John Drew, Otis Thorpe, Eddie Johnson, and Tank Thompson were the core of this team. The team had been sucessful in KC with players like Otis Birdsong and Michael Ray Richardson. In just a few short years most of these players had been traded away for the likes of Derek Smith and Franklin Edwards ( both arriving injured), Junior Bridgeman. Later Otis went for Jim Peterson and Rodney McCray, and then Jim Peterson to the Warriors for Ralph Sampson and his big contract. ( also arriving injured )
From 1985 to at least 1990 a a good young team had been destroyed and replaced with bad draft choices and injured players with big contracts through trades. There were other less than stellar moves and misfortunes. Such as the injury to Bobby Hurley. But most of the damage had been done between 1985 and 1990. It wasn't until 1998 that the Kings emerged from the finanical abyss. So don't think things can't get worse. I doubt that they could ever get that bad again, but never say never. This ended up being a pretty big Aside. But there are probably people out there that don't know the history of this franchise since it came here. Sorry for being so long winded...
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I support offering him a new contract especially since it now seems the Maloofs have FINALLY determined their GM knows MUCH more about Kings basketball than they do.
