Do we start Bagley right away?
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I really hope you're wrong. 1, because I actually like Joerger as a coach from a discipline and bball iq perspective and 2, firing another coach, especially one that had a semi decent reputation before he came here, paints us as an even bigger joke of an organization. If he is canned I really do not know why anyone would want to come here. No obvious franchise players, small market, meddling owner, and has averaged a new coach ever 1.3 seasons since they last made the playoffs. At that point the only guys who will take the job would be unknown college coaches and retreads who haven't seen success either in a long time, or not at all.
Sounds like we disagree. The top of this draft had a lot of potential to turn out franchise players. That’s not based on what you or I think, that’s what the consensus of people who get paid to do this for a living think. If your expectations of this pick is to get an average NBA player than that’s where we probably differ. Bagley put up 20 points and 10rebs per game in college and is and elite talent drafted as the second overall player in the world, no reason not to expect him to be great.
I don't think there's enough floor spacing between the 2. Giles was never much of a shooter anywhere on the floor. WCS can only expand out to the midrange. Fox is a struggling 3pt shooter. I don't see it working at all.
I think Giles' SL performance will tell us how fast or slow he'll be brought along. If he does great, I could see him getting big minutes early(20mpg), but as a bench player. If he struggles a lot, I could see the team bringing him in slowly(with some rehab excuse).
I think Giles' SL performance will tell us how fast or slow he'll be brought along. If he does great, I could see him getting big minutes early(20mpg), but as a bench player. If he struggles a lot, I could see the team bringing him in slowly(with some rehab excuse).
It sounds like you have a much looser definition of "franchise player" than I do, and are willing to slap it on anyone drafted high before they even take the floor.
To each their own.
I just think it is dumb to start throwing around "franchise player" for a very good to great college player who has yet to even start training camp. There is this rush to judgement and desire to label players immediately instead of letting them grow into whatever they can be on their own.
To each their own.
I just think it is dumb to start throwing around "franchise player" for a very good to great college player who has yet to even start training camp. There is this rush to judgement and desire to label players immediately instead of letting them grow into whatever they can be on their own.
Vlade says he wants to "play fast." Zach Randolph absolutely does not play fast. Something has got to give. I just don't want to see a shizo team like we did last year. The entire team needs to be built to run. Training camp should begin with running fast breaks, learning how to outlet, learning how to finish at maximum speed. Run, run, run. (And that also means running back on defense). Zach needs to go to a team that needs his services. The Kings no longer do.
Having Z-Bo on the roster is a security blanket for the coach. The GM needs to remove his security blanket. That means a buyout if not a trade. But with the power structure among the parties involved I don't know if that is feasible. There's no reason for Z-Bo to return other than to indulge the worst impulses of the coach. Thats not a very good reason. You could argue having him on the bench as a leader has a purpose, but that will lead to him getting rotational minutes. The temptation and bias of this coach will be too strong. The GM should know this and proceed accordingly.
Exactly. It was a security blanket for Joerger and the team in general. It's time to throw the kids in the deep end of the pool. Sink or swim. Maybe Zach can be a throw-in for a trade to make the salaries work for the cap. I don't know. I just know he really should be gone by the time training camp opens if we are to take Divac's comments seriously about "playing fast."
I like zbo and I would like it even more IF he stays his minutes are greatly reduced.
We do not need a to see fox push the ball up court and then pass it to zbo and then time and movement stops till he shoots.
I understand that if the coach thinks (wrong) that he can consistently make those shots I hope he starts to replace that with ball movement offense. With movement and spacing we have several go to guys.
I hope on opening night we see a big dose of bogs and Bagley pick and roll.
We do not need a to see fox push the ball up court and then pass it to zbo and then time and movement stops till he shoots.
I understand that if the coach thinks (wrong) that he can consistently make those shots I hope he starts to replace that with ball movement offense. With movement and spacing we have several go to guys.
I hope on opening night we see a big dose of bogs and Bagley pick and roll.
Do we start Bagley right away? I have this crazy idea -- why don't we wait until we have the team together in training camp? I'm sure that violates some fundamental law of the internet, but I'm perfectly content with people who actually know what they're doing making that decision. And I'm looking forward to the results.
No matter what, the Kings will have to be careful with their approach with Giles. He's going to be on minute restrictions probably like 25mins max? At least for the first 1/4 of the season. We saw the Sixers do this with Joel Embiid even this year. They wouldn't even let him play back to back games.
However, I have a "conspiracy theory" about Giles minutes this year. If Giles does very well in SL, the Kings will allow him to play 20mpg out of the gate. However, if Giles struggles in SL(papaG style), then he's going to be getting 10mpg and the Kings will make up some excuse about the rehab process taking a while. They've hyped up the heck out of Giles. If he disappoints in SL out of all places, it'll blow up in their face. In order to save face, they'll give him limited NBA minutes, and still be able to market Giles as a mystery prospect who's CWebb 2.0 when healthy.
I'm extremely skeptical of Harry Giles.
However, I have a "conspiracy theory" about Giles minutes this year. If Giles does very well in SL, the Kings will allow him to play 20mpg out of the gate. However, if Giles struggles in SL(papaG style), then he's going to be getting 10mpg and the Kings will make up some excuse about the rehab process taking a while. They've hyped up the heck out of Giles. If he disappoints in SL out of all places, it'll blow up in their face. In order to save face, they'll give him limited NBA minutes, and still be able to market Giles as a mystery prospect who's CWebb 2.0 when healthy.
I'm extremely skeptical of Harry Giles.
