Do we start Bagley right away?
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I could see it going down that way. I wouldn't mind him being on a 25mpg restriction just to be safe, despite how well he plays. The Kings trainers seem like they're on top of things and are using cutting edge technology when evaluating players. I don't see any reason not to trust them if they say that he shouldn't be playing anymore than 20-25min max until the next year. Something along the lines of Embiid, like you said.
I'm really pumped about Giles but I'm not going to have any expectations of him doing those crazy double crossovers from the highlights or passing the ball like Webber or any of that. I think he's going to be a rich mans version of what he did at Duke. He didn't play many minutes so his per40 college numbers are a bit elevated (14ppg, 13rpg, 2.5bpg). I think with his health and improved athleticism, he should be able to mirror something in that vicinity within a few years. If he's starting next to Bagley I could see 12, 9 and 1.5 or so. Basically be some sort of version of Clint Capela for us at some point. Plus you can just tell from this guy that he's going to bring an intensity that the rest of the sissy nannies on this team don't seem to have. Throw Bagley in there and hopefully that gives this team a punch in the gut to quit being such nice guys all the time.
I'm really pumped about Giles but I'm not going to have any expectations of him doing those crazy double crossovers from the highlights or passing the ball like Webber or any of that. I think he's going to be a rich mans version of what he did at Duke. He didn't play many minutes so his per40 college numbers are a bit elevated (14ppg, 13rpg, 2.5bpg). I think with his health and improved athleticism, he should be able to mirror something in that vicinity within a few years. If he's starting next to Bagley I could see 12, 9 and 1.5 or so. Basically be some sort of version of Clint Capela for us at some point. Plus you can just tell from this guy that he's going to bring an intensity that the rest of the sissy nannies on this team don't seem to have. Throw Bagley in there and hopefully that gives this team a punch in the gut to quit being such nice guys all the time.
Your argument is ludicrous. What happened under the Magoofs is completely irrelevant to what is going on now. The same could be said about what happened while Ranadive was learning how to be a good owner (d'Allesandro) and let the basketball people handle the basketball side of the business. It's too early to tell how this group is doing; neither one of us knows the answer to that. The difference is that you think you do because of some stuff you read on the internet. A perfect example of why most internet "debates" are a waste of time.
I can understand being skeptical. The difference between him and Embiid is that you think you know what you have in Embiid based on what he did in college. You're not quite sure what you have in Giles until you play him. We don't even know what we're being protective of yet. Can we wait another year to find out? I don't think so. Because if he's no better than what he was when he was at Duke, then I want to know sooner than later.
My theory is that if his on-court time is limited, it would mostly be based on the log jam at PF/C and his inability to separate himself from the pack. Which is a bad thing, regardless of if it's due to his injuries or his basketball ability.
My theory is that if his on-court time is limited, it would mostly be based on the log jam at PF/C and his inability to separate himself from the pack. Which is a bad thing, regardless of if it's due to his injuries or his basketball ability.
I think at this point Giles will play whatever minutes Joerger feels he's earned. At this point, he's either totally healthy or he's not. Lets remember, he did play the last third of the season at Duke, and his minutes were increasing as the season went along. He's been prodded, measured, tested and retested. He's practiced with, and against his own teammates. So at this point, I doubt he'll be on any kind of health or injury restiction, unless something pops up.
If they were going to do the restriction thing, they would have played him last season and done it then. If he's not ready to go at this point, then they might as well forget the whole thing.
If they were going to do the restriction thing, they would have played him last season and done it then. If he's not ready to go at this point, then they might as well forget the whole thing.
If he's back to his full health, then he's twice the athlete that Favors is. In high school, his game was nothing like Favors. In high school Giles had a very good a face up game. Favors has been a back to the basket player his whole career. Yeah, he has a little midrange game now, but Giles is a far better ballhandler. If the best Giles can be is a duplicate to Favors, then I'm highly disappointed. I think Giles will be a far superior player. Don't judge Giles by what you saw at Duke. They just planted him under the basket to minimize the chance of injury.
If he shows well in summer league Giles should play around the same minutes as Bagley. Both will need to adjust to the speed of the NBA but Giles has a big advantage in practicing with the team this last year.
The scary thing with Giles is that it isn't a foot injury like Embiid where you fear soreness or swelling or even something like a hip injury from overcompensation on the other side. With Giles it will always be holding your breath when someone collides with him or he goes to the ground that he'll tear another ligament.
I sure hope not.
Giles absolutely jumped off the screen when he was healthy. He wasn't just an explosive athlete (though he was definitely that) but was also very skilled. I don't know that he'll ever be fully healthy again, but somewhere even close would give him the ability to be a very good NBA player if he puts in the work.
The scary thing with Giles is that it isn't a foot injury like Embiid where you fear soreness or swelling or even something like a hip injury from overcompensation on the other side. With Giles it will always be holding your breath when someone collides with him or he goes to the ground that he'll tear another ligament.
I sure hope not.
Giles absolutely jumped off the screen when he was healthy. He wasn't just an explosive athlete (though he was definitely that) but was also very skilled. I don't know that he'll ever be fully healthy again, but somewhere even close would give him the ability to be a very good NBA player if he puts in the work.
Embiid and Giles are two completely different cases. Embiid was drafted 3rd overall in, what was thought of at the time, a pretty stacked draft class. The intent for him was always franchise player. His injury also did not heal properly the first time around which is why they eased him back the way they did, including not playing him in back to back games. For the Sixers, losing Embiid altogether by playing him significant minutes after a would have been devastating. Not saying losing Giles wouldn't be devastating to us since a lot of us are high on him, but his injuries have been way more significant so his expectations are low. Which is why he fell to us in the 20's. Which is why no fan should be devastated if he doesn't pan out. At this point the guy has sat for basically a year and a half. His knees have been fully healed for months. He's already better than expected. Screw a minute restriction or babying him. Let's see what he's got. It'll be pretty evident immediately whether or not he can be a long term contributor.
I can't really judge him, more or less just thinking out loud. I can't think of a more fascinating debut than what we will see on Monday. I'm sure he will have a ton of rust, but if he truly is special or has special in him that should be able to shine through. What has gotten me excited is the quotes from his teammates more so than the organization. Like Willie said he thinks he can be ROY, a player he will be competing with for minutes.
Yes. He is going to be a monster. Side note take a look at what the ringer says about Bagley:
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/...ley-draft-prospect-potential-versus-readiness
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/...ley-draft-prospect-potential-versus-readiness
Thanks for posting this. The article sums up my feelings on the matter.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their preference for players they wanted the Kings to draft. I've tried to let folks have their emotions without criticizing.
But I've never had a problem with Bagley being our guy. No one questioned Ayton going #1. What did Ayton do that Bagley didn't? Ayton is an inch or 2 taller and has a few more pounds of muscle. Ayton is a whole year older. Beyond that, there is nothing on the basketball court that Ayton did better than Bagley.
Bagley was the most dominant big man in college last year. Played against better competition. Took his team further in the tournament. Is a smoother scorer more natural scorer. Never took games or even plays off. Had better teammates than Ayton. Should have been a Sr. in high school but changed his class and went to college early and STILL was the best player on his team.
None of our young bigs have that type of resume. KK and Zbo are not our future. Yes, Bagley starts on this team day 1.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their preference for players they wanted the Kings to draft. I've tried to let folks have their emotions without criticizing.
But I've never had a problem with Bagley being our guy. No one questioned Ayton going #1. What did Ayton do that Bagley didn't? Ayton is an inch or 2 taller and has a few more pounds of muscle. Ayton is a whole year older. Beyond that, there is nothing on the basketball court that Ayton did better than Bagley.
Bagley was the most dominant big man in college last year. Played against better competition. Took his team further in the tournament. Is a smoother scorer more natural scorer. Never took games or even plays off. Had better teammates than Ayton. Should have been a Sr. in high school but changed his class and went to college early and STILL was the best player on his team.
None of our young bigs have that type of resume. KK and Zbo are not our future. Yes, Bagley starts on this team day 1.
And the key thing with Beasley was his mental issues, which Bagley doesn't have. And those concerns were out there about Beasley before he was drafted. To top it off, having seen both players in their college years, Bagley just has more native ability than Beasley, period. The comparison is so far off base it shouldn't have been brought up to begin with.
Does starting really matter that much? I am more concerned that Bagley and all the key youngsters play enough minutes to develop. I thought Fox was handled really well last year.
Start him on the bench, then bring him into the starting 5 as a secondary ball handler, then get him to be the primary ball handler and primary PG. I would expect similar approach with Bagley and I am perfectly fine with that.
Start him on the bench, then bring him into the starting 5 as a secondary ball handler, then get him to be the primary ball handler and primary PG. I would expect similar approach with Bagley and I am perfectly fine with that.
While I believe all rookies take time to develop and the point guard is running the team and takes much longer.
our previous point guard would of been a whole lot better than Hill and at least he could score and push the ball up court.
We have just a couple of days till we get our first glance which way we are going. Exciting times for Kings.
our previous point guard would of been a whole lot better than Hill and at least he could score and push the ball up court.
We have just a couple of days till we get our first glance which way we are going. Exciting times for Kings.
