Desmond Mason for Kenny Thomas Trade

[PFFFT!!]

I just heard this on the rise guys that Petrie is actively trying to shop KT around. Desmond Mason is a name that popped up. What do you guys think of this? I think Desmond is slightly shorter and gets less rebounds, but Im sure Petrie is trying to prevent a cancer from growing here.

 

[piksi]

well I would trade KT for the six pack at the moment because things are already out of control.

KT and Corliss for six pack and a hot dog

 

[sloter]

That would be a steal if Petrie would be able to do that. We are desparate for some athleticism. Despite the popular opinion that Pedja should be traded, and even though I have been down on Pedja lately myself, that would probably be a mistake because the only thing that the Kings are good at (shooting) would become another major weakness. Mason would probably be a perfect fit, but I have no idea why his team would want to trade him for Thomas.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Thomas is a better rebounder, while Desmond is a better scorer. I think the trade is fair, but don't know about their salaries or if they match.

 

[playmaker0017]

Mason probably isn't available to be traded for a while ... I think we missed the window on him.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

This was back in late October:

Kings notes: Kings, Bucks talked trade
By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Thursday, November 10, 2005
DENVER - There's a seat under a member of the Kings that may be getting hotter by the day.

And it's not the one belonging to coach Rick Adelman.

Reserve forward Kenny Thomas was part of trade talks in late October, when the Kings pursued veteran swingman Desmond Mason. Instead, Mason - who averaged 17.5 points with Milwaukee in the 2004-05 season - was sent from the Bucks to the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets for center Jamaal Magloire, an unconditional first-round pick in 2006 and cash.

Thomas was the Kings' returning starter until the 11th hour of the preseason, when newly acquired Shareef Abdur-Rahim won the job. Before this season, he had started in 243 of 285 games since the 2001-02 season, and made his preference clear that he's more comfortable in that role.

In four games of coming off the bench, Thomas is off to a slow start, shooting 35.3 percent while averaging 4.5 points and 16 minutes per game. His production is key for a bench that has been as sluggish as any in the league, scoring an average of 17.3 points thus far.

Road warriors - The Kings' marathon stretch of road games came to a fitting end, with an early-morning arrival in Denver and little sleep after losing to Detroit at home Tuesday night. Kings assistant coach Elston Turner said the team arrived around 2 a.m., with the drive from the airport to downtown Denver nearly an hour.

"It's probably the worst travel schedule in the West, because of the time change and where the airport's at," Adelman said.

Starting in the preseason and including Wednesday night's game against the Nuggets, the Kings played eight of nine games away from Arco Arena.

Fast times - The Nuggets had two days off to prepare for the Kings, having lost Sunday to the Los Angeles Lakers. Before tipoff, Adelman said his biggest concern was the Kings' awful transition defense facing a rested Nuggets squad looking for its second win.

"I fully expect them to just push it at us all night long," Adelman said. "Our transition defense has not been good. This is a team that could really hurt us if we don't get back."

García recovering - Kings swingman Francisco García said he'll try to practice today, with hopes of playing against the Nuggets on Friday night at Arco Arena. García sprained his right ankle Sunday and has been on the inactive list since.

About the writer:

* The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at (916) 326-5582 or samick@sacbee.com.

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Damn! But, its good to know about these things, that the Kings brass are actively looking to better the team. Gives us hope that the team personnel can get better.

 

[sidney]

According to the Bee today, the Mason trade was discussed with Milwaukee, but Milwaukee traded him to New Orleans instead for Magloire. Sounds like the Mason deal with us is dead.

Kenny T is probably still on the block though.

 

[playmaker0017]

Despite the popular opinion that Pedja should be traded, and even though I have been down on Pedja lately myself, that would probably be a mistake because the only thing that the Kings are good at (shooting) would become another major weakness.

I, personally, think Bibby should be shopped before Peja.

I don't see Bibby being able to run an offense. He's looking really out-of-sync and unable to manage. I wonder if having Vlade and Webber masked Bibby's true inability to function as a PG.

He's a decent shooter. But, is he really a PG?

Look at what Nash does, or heck ... Earl Boykins. They drive the lane, make smart passes ... look for teammates. I just don't see Bibby doing this and with our current roster - Bibby is the one who doesn't seem to fit.

We've got a slower team.

Peja - spot up shooter.
Miller - spot up shooter/distributor
Bonzi - half court threat on penetration
Reef - post-up player

All slower style players.

Bibby doesn't seem suited for that style.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Mason makes about $1.5 mill more a year than KT. Mason can't be traded for a while since he was just traded. Not only does this signal that they aren't enamored with KT, but the fact that they were trying to get a SG for him makes it clear to me that they are not convinced that Martin is ready for the backup SG role. Mason is 6'5" and is a SG...he can fill in at the 3, but his natural position is the 2. As far as Bibby goes, I don't think that they are going to give up on Bibby any time soon, but if they do then it might be smart to look to make a move involving a number of teams and pry Earl Watson or Andre Miller from the Nuggets.

 

[nbrans]

At first blush I thought it sounded like a good trade as well. Then I remembered that the Kings used their last two draft picks on Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia and it would actually worsen the interior defense/offense problems and I got depressed.

 

[sloter]

I, personally, think Bibby should be shopped before Peja.

I don't see Bibby being able to run an offense. He's looking really out-of-sync and unable to manage. I wonder if having Vlade and Webber masked Bibby's true inability to function as a PG.

He's a decent shooter. But, is he really a PG?

I was having the same thoughts after watching last night game. Really, the problems on defense again started with him and Hart, who were beated by Denver's guards repeatedly and they really did not create absolutely anything on offense. Bibby is great when shooting off the passes that come from the inside, but that seems to be the only thing he does (at least in yesterday's game). I hate how pretty much all the Kings seem to settle for those outside jumpers.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

At first blush I thought it sounded like a good trade as well. Then I remembered that the Kings used their last two draft picks on Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia and it would actually worsen the interior defense/offense problems and I got depressed.

To make the salaries work the Kings would have most likely added Martin or Garcia to the trade for Mason. I think it's clear that Garcia will play the 3 and Martin the 2 and the Kings IMO are in more desparate need for a backup 2 since Corliss can do a reasonable job at the 3.

 

[nbrans]

To make the salaries work the Kings would have most likely added Martin or Garcia to the trade for Mason. I think it's clear that Garcia will play the 3 and Martin the 2 and the Kings IMO are in more desparate need for a backup 2 since Corliss can do a reasonable job at the 3.

I mean, at this point it doesn't really matter who is thrown in, a trade for a backup swingman admits failure in the last two drafts and does not help the rebounding/interior defense problem. I'm not saying that you don't make that trade, just that it would depress me.

 

[sidney]

Anyone hear how this got out? I bet Petrie is not happy about it. Like Kenny T. needed more of a reason to be grumpy...

 

[sloter]

What I am really puzzled with is how Adelman seems to give more PT to Martin and he never gave that much opportunity to Wallace. Incredible.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I mean, at this point it doesn't really matter who is thrown in, a trade for a backup swingman admits failure in the last two drafts and does not help the rebounding/interior defense problem. I'm not saying that you don't make that trade, just that it would depress me.

I agree with you on that point. I still don't think that it would be out of the question for the Kings to look to bring in Spree. I'm not a big Spree fan, but he could definately provide some pop off the bench at the 2 spot.

 

[Amory]

I agree with you on that point. I still don't think that it would be out of the question for the Kings to look to bring in Spree. I'm not a big Spree fan, but he could definately provide some pop off the bench at the 2 spot.

Please no......

Sure Spree would be a great back up but I am worried he would an aweful cancer to this team. Also, have to watch out for the safety of the RA.

 

[Kings Fan]

I agree with you on that point. I still don't think that it would be out of the question for the Kings to look to bring in Spree. I'm not a big Spree fan, but he could definately provide some pop off the bench at the 2 spot.

Yes, we are hurting big time at the 2 spot from our bench. Martin is passive, and playing as a boy among men. When he does assert himself from time to time, he can't seem to keep his turnovers down. I've been very unimpressed to say the least.

On another note more in line with the thread, I'm sure Kenny Thomas will not be a King past this season. His contract is more lucrative and just as lengthy as Shareef's...and I can't see him staying happy over the course of 4-5 years playing behind Shareef. Although I'm in favor of getting athleticism in Desmond Mason (it won't happen soon cuz he just got traded as everyone has mentioned), we do have to get some rebounding ability back for Kenny Thomas.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Mason would likely have taken both 2/3 roles as a backup swingman. So it's nothing really against Kevin or Cisco, more of both.

 

[Stojakovic]

Mason is better than Kenny, but I still don't like the direction this team is going. I'd say that he is a fairly selfish player, and that's exactly what we should be getting away from. The problem in all of our losses has been 1 on 1 basketball...I don't see how we'd solve that by acquiring Mason.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Mason is better than Kenny, but I still don't like the direction this team is going. I'd say that he is a fairly selfish player, and that's exactly what we should be getting away from. The problem in all of our losses has been 1 on 1 basketball...I don't see how we'd solve that by acquiring Mason.

You get guys to buy into the system. For the most part, before everyone came to Sac, they were one on one players. The real problem in all of our losses, or at least a few of the many problems are that there is a serious lack of defense, athleticism and horendous bench play. Mason would have helped in all 3 of those areas.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I would trade Thomas if he keeps his shotting. Trade Williamson if he keeps not getting minutes, and Skinner if e does't get minutes and keeps on being ineffective.

 

[Bricklayer]

a) Mason's not coming -- that was a deal that fell through with Milwaulkee, not one the Hornets are entertaining

b) if he had come, it would have been good. Add athleticism, and a better/more classic 6th man type. Some pop off the bench while balancing our roster and giving the fans some exciting moments on dunks and whatnot. Corliss and Skinner would have gotten more minutes.

c) It would not, however, have solved any othe deeper issues ont he team. Not added passing, or defense, or rebounding, or shooting, or anything much other than a good 6th man. And would be just another too hungry mouth to feed when it comes to shots.

d) Its good that Geoff was at least looking to solve a potential problme before it even started. But who knows how interested Milwaulkee really was. KT can play, but his starting demands and ugly contract make him a virtuial pariah when it comes time to try to trade him. 6'7" starting PF with a contract through 2010 anyone. Anyone?

 

[Kings113]

Interesting, I dig Mason.. oh well.

I wouldn't mind getting someone good/solid in return for KT...

Or we can sign someone off the FA-board.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Well....there is still Latrell....<cocks gun>.....

 

[Kings113]

Well....there is still Latrell....<cocks gun>.....

And other swingmen.

 

[Padrino]

What I am really puzzled with is how Adelman seems to give more PT to Martin and he never gave that much opportunity to Wallace. Incredible.

the kings were a much deeper team when gerald wallace got stuck at the unfortunate end of the bench. wallace may not have received a fair shot in sacramento, but the kings were potential contenders at the time. it doesn't seem so now, so why the hell not play martin/garcia, ya know?

 

[D-Mass]

6'7" starting PF with a contract through 2010 anyone. Anyone?

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the bottom line. We're stuck.

 

[PFFFT!!]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the bottom line. We're stuck.

D-Mass, Fire Adelman and hire Foley. The Kings need a motivational speaker.
Foleys 1st team practice:

Now you players are probably saying to yourselves hey, I'm gonna go out and GET THE WORLD BY THE TAIL and wrap it around and pull it down and put it in my pocket.....Well I'm here to tell you that you're probably going to find-- as you go out there-- that you're not going to amount to JACK SQUAT! All of you need to give up your millions and live out in a van down by the river like me.

Yeah, thats what we need.

 

[D-Mass]

D-Mass, Fire Adelman and hire Foley. The Kings need a motivational speaker.
Foleys 1st team practice:

Now you players are probably saying to yourselves hey, I'm gonna go out and GET THE WORLD BY THE TAIL and wrap it around and pull it down and put it in my pocket.....Well I'm here to tell you that you're probably going to find-- as you go out there-- that you're not going to amount to JACK SQUAT! All of you need to give up your millions and live out in a van down by the river like me.

Yeah, thats what we need.

Nicely done, PFFFT! You got me laughing pretty hard.

Now you players are probably saying to yourselves hey, I'm gonna go out and GET THE WORLD BY THE TAIL and wrap it around and pull it down and put it in my pocket.....

That's friggin' classic...

That and a nickel will get you a HOT CUP OF JACK SQUAT!