Demarcus Cousins
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If that was the case then it's good to know. It looked like he was screaming up until that point. If Cousins says it was an accident and nobody else has a problem with it, then I guess you take his word for it. Like I said above, going by what things "look like" is all that matters to a lot of the people who will think it was intentional.
Look, Boogie haters, I want to lay this plain, as many have in various ways, in this thread. DeMarcus gets wailed on throughout the game - it is, in fact, the game plan of opposing teams as a strategy for stopping him. Yes, he gets mad at the refs, but he generally keeps his head against the players assaulting him, because he understands they are under orders to assault him (the mouthpiece incident was, in fact, the exception). He's gotten to the point that when he gets banged, he plays through, and saves his venom for the refs when they fail to make calls. So when he says "now the whole world can see what he's dealing with" he's talking about about refs developing a bias against him. I hear Grant and others say "if he keeps acting like that, the refs are going to target him and not give him the call or the benefit of the doubt." Well, that's not the refs role, that's not their job! They are supposed to be objective, not hold personal grudges. What he feels is that refs treat him differently because they don't like his body language or complaining. If that's true, then he's right, that's BAD ref-fing! Refs shouldn't be acting like feudal lords out there, generously rewarding some kinds of personalities and penalizing others; they need to call fouls where they happen, and be consistent about it. If Boogie is yelling at the ref, then yes, they have every right to give him a T. But then they have to be consistent with all other players, including the other superstar/all star types that routinely get beat on as a way of slowing them down. They can't passive-aggressively make fouls calls based on their feelings about his body language! Fans can say what they want - he isn't concerned about the fans; he's concerned about be treated equally by the refs in terms of consistency of foul calls, which is their PRIMARY JOB to uphold. So, yes, I think he has reason to be angry. It's not up to the refs to decide if he should be treated differently because of what they view as his non-normative, or even abrasive, personality. So, you can not like DeMarcus' behavior, but don't act like it's irrational or that he's simply making things up.
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I'll stop ya right there, because as someone who is one of the biggest Boogie supporters (but not a sycophant) on this site, I think I may be able to shed some light here.
Many of us get it.
We get the fact that he's hacked and poked to oblivion, and the refs haven't given him a fair shake for years.
Hell, I've argued that with many examples throughout the years, and calls for the Kings org to come out with a videotape and present it to the league showing the ref's obvious bias in their unequal treatment of Cuz vs other (more protected) stars of the NBA.
But based on the number of upvotes you got, I don't think some of you are listening, or understanding the point some of us are making here.
Even when the other team is pushing the boundaries of the sport by fouling you to the point of daring the officials to continue calling them on it (which they typically don't, because then it can easily be perceived as them making the difference in the outcome of the game), it doesn't obviate Demarcus' responsibilities to himself and his team to keep control of himself and to play smarter.
He is his own worst enemy on the court - his inability to control his emotions leads him to reckless fouls, careless turnovers, pissing off refs, turning off the majority of customers, league suspensions, and bad play.
These are facts, based off 7 years of proof.
I totally agree that the refs should not be behaving the way they do to Demarcus.
Nonetheless, they are human, and they will act like humans out there : if Cuz disrespects them and mean-mugs them when they are doing there job (basically picking a fight with them), then they will retaliate with judgment calls against him.
To not recognize this is sheer delusion.
He will not change this dynamic by continuing to act the clown on the court.
I still believe the Kings organization could change things at the league level if they made a concerted effort to point out the discrepancies he has endured over his career.
But with every one of these petulant, entitled displays out there, he is rendering that likelihood smaller and smaller.
Many of us don't believe Boogie is being irrational, or making up the thought that he has bias against him - we see the different treatment and think it's unfair.
But if Boogie really wants to change his situation to a more fair one, he HAS to learn to control his emotions (or at least his uncontrolled behaviors which launch from his emotions) and play smarter, instead of looking the fool, acting like a child, making himself look terrible to the whole world, and (most importantly) playing into the hands of his opponents time and time again.
He must grow up if he wants the dynamic to change - he can't bully this situation into compliance.
Many of us get it.
We get the fact that he's hacked and poked to oblivion, and the refs haven't given him a fair shake for years.
Hell, I've argued that with many examples throughout the years, and calls for the Kings org to come out with a videotape and present it to the league showing the ref's obvious bias in their unequal treatment of Cuz vs other (more protected) stars of the NBA.
But based on the number of upvotes you got, I don't think some of you are listening, or understanding the point some of us are making here.
Even when the other team is pushing the boundaries of the sport by fouling you to the point of daring the officials to continue calling them on it (which they typically don't, because then it can easily be perceived as them making the difference in the outcome of the game), it doesn't obviate Demarcus' responsibilities to himself and his team to keep control of himself and to play smarter.
He is his own worst enemy on the court - his inability to control his emotions leads him to reckless fouls, careless turnovers, pissing off refs, turning off the majority of customers, league suspensions, and bad play.
These are facts, based off 7 years of proof.
I totally agree that the refs should not be behaving the way they do to Demarcus.
Nonetheless, they are human, and they will act like humans out there : if Cuz disrespects them and mean-mugs them when they are doing there job (basically picking a fight with them), then they will retaliate with judgment calls against him.
To not recognize this is sheer delusion.
He will not change this dynamic by continuing to act the clown on the court.
I still believe the Kings organization could change things at the league level if they made a concerted effort to point out the discrepancies he has endured over his career.
But with every one of these petulant, entitled displays out there, he is rendering that likelihood smaller and smaller.
Many of us don't believe Boogie is being irrational, or making up the thought that he has bias against him - we see the different treatment and think it's unfair.
But if Boogie really wants to change his situation to a more fair one, he HAS to learn to control his emotions (or at least his uncontrolled behaviors which launch from his emotions) and play smarter, instead of looking the fool, acting like a child, making himself look terrible to the whole world, and (most importantly) playing into the hands of his opponents time and time again.
He must grow up if he wants the dynamic to change - he can't bully this situation into compliance.
Many of us, or at least myself, agree with both of you.
DMC hurts himself and the team with the way he mishandles the refs.
The refs do not call things the same from player to player, team to team, ref to ref.
BOTH of these facts need to change and be addressesd.
Unfortunately both seem unlikely to. Although personally I would like to see DMC learn to play the game within the game a little smarter, as that seems the more likely attainable solution of the two problems.
DMC hurts himself and the team with the way he mishandles the refs.
The refs do not call things the same from player to player, team to team, ref to ref.
BOTH of these facts need to change and be addressesd.
Unfortunately both seem unlikely to. Although personally I would like to see DMC learn to play the game within the game a little smarter, as that seems the more likely attainable solution of the two problems.
This is actually a way bigger issue, than one athlete, that polarizes with his behaviour. But noone actually talks about that. It gets treated like some gentleman agreement or something completely natural and valid, that ref's are allowed to treat players differently.
It's always DMC in the media and noone ever asks the question, if he actually has a point, when he complains about the ref's. It just feels like everybody dodges this question.
It's always DMC in the media and noone ever asks the question, if he actually has a point, when he complains about the ref's. It just feels like everybody dodges this question.
And before we hear the "but DMC is one of the league leaders in FTA per game" and therefore has no reason to complain argument again, let me say this:
8 players out of the Top10 in FTA this year are guards or wings.
And the only other big in the Top10 is AD, who basically plays like a 7ft guard.
In 1998 for example, there were two guys in the Top10 of FTA playing as a guard or SF. Alen Iverson and Grant Hill. Everybody else was a PF or a center.
May be this is a somewhat shallow argument, but it actually matches, what I usually watch on the court. Guards and wings get calls way easier than big guys nowadays. And not, because the bigs of today aren't good enough, but because guards and wings are getting protected from contact, while bigs are usually demanded to handle contact in the paint.
As a guy, who likes to watch physical play, I'm not advocating, that bigs should get more calls. I like it, when the ref's letting the big trees battle it out. But guards shouldn't be gifted that many calls. DMC as the most physical player of the league, should lead the league in FTA by a wide margin - not Westbrook and not Harden.
8 players out of the Top10 in FTA this year are guards or wings.
And the only other big in the Top10 is AD, who basically plays like a 7ft guard.
In 1998 for example, there were two guys in the Top10 of FTA playing as a guard or SF. Alen Iverson and Grant Hill. Everybody else was a PF or a center.
May be this is a somewhat shallow argument, but it actually matches, what I usually watch on the court. Guards and wings get calls way easier than big guys nowadays. And not, because the bigs of today aren't good enough, but because guards and wings are getting protected from contact, while bigs are usually demanded to handle contact in the paint.
As a guy, who likes to watch physical play, I'm not advocating, that bigs should get more calls. I like it, when the ref's letting the big trees battle it out. But guards shouldn't be gifted that many calls. DMC as the most physical player of the league, should lead the league in FTA by a wide margin - not Westbrook and not Harden.
Stop crying about DMC. He gets away with just as much physical behavior as his opponents do. He flails his arms/body just about every time he gets fouled and other players around him are constantly getting hit in the face and head by his arms and hands.
Also, it's "LOL" that you would complain about him not getting calls 2 days after he absolutely spit his mouthpiece at an opponent and got away with it. You realize if he was ejected, we probably lose that game, right? We wouldn't be talking about being tied for the 8th seed.
Also, it's "LOL" that you would complain about him not getting calls 2 days after he absolutely spit his mouthpiece at an opponent and got away with it. You realize if he was ejected, we probably lose that game, right? We wouldn't be talking about being tied for the 8th seed.
1. I'm not crying. I'm trying to have a factual and objective discussion. If you can't handle that and you get emotionally involved and feel the need to call me out, maybe you shouldn't be the first one jumping on DMC, when he gets one of his emotional outbursts?
2. I didn't talk about DMC and his opponents, but about the discrepancy between guards/wings and big man, when it comes to the way contact is called by the ref's. Given that DMC is the most physical of todays bigs, he just serves as a good example. Do you feel it's allright, that Embiid only shoots 6.1 FT a game, while Harden shoots more than 10? Howard only attempts 5.7, KAT 5.0, Marc Gasol 4.7, Drummond 4.2, Zbo 2.3 (down from 3.2 when he actually was starting last year).
To me that looks weird.
3. The mouthpiece indicent was a warranted ejection. Ref's didn't get that right. But that has nothing to do with how contact is getting called. It was a technical for taunting or unsportsmanlike behaviour. It was downright disrespectful. I personally don't have a problem with it- I like rivalries, I like personal grudges and I like a little bit of hostility on the floor. But in todays league it's an ejection.
2. I didn't talk about DMC and his opponents, but about the discrepancy between guards/wings and big man, when it comes to the way contact is called by the ref's. Given that DMC is the most physical of todays bigs, he just serves as a good example. Do you feel it's allright, that Embiid only shoots 6.1 FT a game, while Harden shoots more than 10? Howard only attempts 5.7, KAT 5.0, Marc Gasol 4.7, Drummond 4.2, Zbo 2.3 (down from 3.2 when he actually was starting last year).
To me that looks weird.
3. The mouthpiece indicent was a warranted ejection. Ref's didn't get that right. But that has nothing to do with how contact is getting called. It was a technical for taunting or unsportsmanlike behaviour. It was downright disrespectful. I personally don't have a problem with it- I like rivalries, I like personal grudges and I like a little bit of hostility on the floor. But in todays league it's an ejection.
KingsFanGER and I are talking about the discrepancies across the league in how bigs and guards, superstars and role players, fan favorites or villains are called or not called for fouls. And how much liberty the refs take with calling a foul one minute to the next depending on "reasons" rather than calling it consistently across the board. Don't let that get in the way of your hatred by all means.
As for the mouthpiece incident: I firmly believe DMC spat it out on purpose and should have been ejected for taunting or unsportsmanlike behavior IF the refs called things with consistency and by the rules. See how that works?
As for the mouthpiece incident: I firmly believe DMC spat it out on purpose and should have been ejected for taunting or unsportsmanlike behavior IF the refs called things with consistency and by the rules. See how that works?
In a world where the players and the ref's are robots, everything would be perfect. The players wouldn't complain, and the ref's would be loved by all. But that's not the world we live in. The players and the ref's are human beings, all with different backgrounds and upbringing. So if I'm a ref, and you constantly complain about every call, or non call I make, then strangely, I might be influenced subconsciously to lean toward a negative outcome for you.
Other than the occasional outburst by Cuz, my main complaint with him is his constant complaining to the refs, especially when it causes him to be late getting back on defense, which I might add, happens too often, but has been better of late. Here is a fact! Complaining about a call seldom does any good, and more often than not, causes the ref to look at you in a negative light. Which means when push comes to shove, he's less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt. So here's how it works. If it's Tim Duncan (just as an example) who is liked and respected by the ref's and someone throws a soft elbow to his chest, the ref blows the whistle. Now if it's Cuz, and someone does the same thing, there's no whistle.
Is that fair? Hell no it's not fair, but real life isn't fair, and to some extent, we reap what we sow. To make matters worse, if your big and strong, for some reason the ref's tend to let other players get away with more. Just ask Shaq. Cousins is a very emotional player, and he lets those emotions flow out of his mouth, which gets him into trouble at worse, and makes him look like constant complainer at best. I'd like to say that he needs to learn this and learn that, but at this point, I think what you see is what you get. It's almost as though he thinks to himself, well, I've been good for a while, so I've earned the right to blow off some steam. That's not really changing, that's just delaying.
I'm not a Cuz hater. Anyone that's followed my posts over time knows that. I'm just really really tired of having this same conversation. But hey, tomorrow is a new day, and maybe I'll think differently..
Other than the occasional outburst by Cuz, my main complaint with him is his constant complaining to the refs, especially when it causes him to be late getting back on defense, which I might add, happens too often, but has been better of late. Here is a fact! Complaining about a call seldom does any good, and more often than not, causes the ref to look at you in a negative light. Which means when push comes to shove, he's less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt. So here's how it works. If it's Tim Duncan (just as an example) who is liked and respected by the ref's and someone throws a soft elbow to his chest, the ref blows the whistle. Now if it's Cuz, and someone does the same thing, there's no whistle.
Is that fair? Hell no it's not fair, but real life isn't fair, and to some extent, we reap what we sow. To make matters worse, if your big and strong, for some reason the ref's tend to let other players get away with more. Just ask Shaq. Cousins is a very emotional player, and he lets those emotions flow out of his mouth, which gets him into trouble at worse, and makes him look like constant complainer at best. I'd like to say that he needs to learn this and learn that, but at this point, I think what you see is what you get. It's almost as though he thinks to himself, well, I've been good for a while, so I've earned the right to blow off some steam. That's not really changing, that's just delaying.
I'm not a Cuz hater. Anyone that's followed my posts over time knows that. I'm just really really tired of having this same conversation. But hey, tomorrow is a new day, and maybe I'll think differently..
Cuz started out his career with the refs treating him subpar, due to a reputation he did not deserve. This caused him to become angry with refs, starting a positive feedback loop. It's not all his fault. One thing I noticed after the special postgame interview was that the refs might have actually listened and even gave him some superstar treatment. Maybe things are going to change now, and he can escape the cycle. Boogie don't mess it up!
Your right, he came to the NBA with a rep, and much of it was undeserved. Some of the story's at Kentucky were either reported wrong, or were only half the story. And I posted on everyone one of them. Unfortunately it's not the truth that matters, but the perception. Tell a false story enough times, and not only will the general public believe it, but you'll start to believe it as well.
OMFG LMAO
BIG MARSHALL @GrandeMarshall Dec 21
@MeyersLeonard11 and why are you breathing so hard? all you had was 2 boards.
BIG MARSHALL @GrandeMarshall Dec 21
@MeyersLeonard11 and why are you breathing so hard? all you had was 2 boards.
Demarcus Cousins: Such a cancer. Must trade him immediately!
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/12dayschristmas2/christmas-demarcus-cousins
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/12dayschristmas2/christmas-demarcus-cousins
Actually that's a classy response. I don't agree with most of what he said, but it makes sense from his point of view. I respect Leonard for his effort to guard DMC, trying to slow down a player, who is way superior. And I hope this little rivalry goes on for a while. These things just make watching the NBA a little more interesting.
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones 1h1 hour ago
Asked DeMarcus Cousins if he had any comment on the backlash George Karl has received and he declined comment.
This warms my heart. Let Kenyon Martin and Carmelo Anthony and others skewer Karl. DMC can stay on the sidelines in this one.
Asked DeMarcus Cousins if he had any comment on the backlash George Karl has received and he declined comment.
This warms my heart. Let Kenyon Martin and Carmelo Anthony and others skewer Karl. DMC can stay on the sidelines in this one.
Sean Cunningham @SeanCunningham 12h12 hours ago
George Karl's book:
1. Wanted to trade DeMarcus Cousins
2. GK doesn't value centers - Vlade does cuz he was one
3. GK - No authority w/ SAC
Sean Cunningham Verified account @SeanCunningham
George Karl's Book:
4. DMC super talented, played hurt, passionate
5. DMC "a bully, a sullen child; lacked maturity"
Sean Cunningham @SeanCunningham 12h12 hours ago
That ought to sum up the Kings portion of George Karl's upcoming book "Furious George." Much of which should not be shocking to anyone.
Glad Sean summarized it. Now I don't have to waste time even wondering what else the bitter old man had to say.
George Karl's book:
1. Wanted to trade DeMarcus Cousins
2. GK doesn't value centers - Vlade does cuz he was one
3. GK - No authority w/ SAC
Sean Cunningham Verified account @SeanCunningham
George Karl's Book:
4. DMC super talented, played hurt, passionate
5. DMC "a bully, a sullen child; lacked maturity"
Sean Cunningham @SeanCunningham 12h12 hours ago
That ought to sum up the Kings portion of George Karl's upcoming book "Furious George." Much of which should not be shocking to anyone.
Glad Sean summarized it. Now I don't have to waste time even wondering what else the bitter old man had to say.
Oh, there's more...but nothing as bad as I thought. He takes a shot at Vivek apparently which is pretty danged childish if you ask me.
I will not buy his book. I will not read his book. I'm done quoting people who have read his book. He took a boatload of money from our Kings for doing less than nothing and I almost feel sorry for how desperate this book makes him look. Notice I said "almost feel sorry..."
I will not buy his book. I will not read his book. I'm done quoting people who have read his book. He took a boatload of money from our Kings for doing less than nothing and I almost feel sorry for how desperate this book makes him look. Notice I said "almost feel sorry..."
