DeMarcus Cousins:

bajaden

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I thought I would post a few articles from around the web on Cousins. I finally found the article on his suspossed taking of Med's. A shoddy piece of journalism as far as I'm concerned. The article written by someone I shall leave nameless, refers to a nameless scout that refered to a nameless source that infered that Cousins was on drugs, or meds as he put it. Not one realible source was named in the article. But then, were just slandering Cousins, so whats it matter. And no, I'm not posting that article.

http://recruiting.scout.com/2/949902.html


http://www.kentucky.com/2010/04/16/1225650/cousins-on-uk-i-could-stay-here.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-wall-showing-demarcus-cousins-how-to-be-cool


http://dimemag.com/2010/03/dime-nba-draft-profile-demarcus-cousins/
 
Wow he's 19, turning 20 and he doesn't even have a drivers license... how many 19 year old American kids can say that, much less a future NBA lottery pick who will have plenty of cash to buy expensive cars and jewelry soon.
 
Like I said in another thread, at this point, I think I want Cousins more than either Wall or Turner. I'm really not concerned about Cousins attitude, if anything, I welcome it. It is exactly what this team needs. I still have yet to see JT or Spencer commit a hrd foul or intimidate anyone or anything on a basketball court.

I believe if there is one player who can have a dramatic impact on this team from this draft, not only talent wise, but making us instantly tougher, better defensively, better at rebounding, a true low post threat, the ability to make guards think twice about driving the lane, that player is Cousins.

Wall would be exciting. I like Turner more, as a fit for this team, and next to Tyreke. But Cousins could change the dynamic of this team more than either, and I honestly believe can improve this team more than either.
 
Like I said in another thread, at this point, I think I want Cousins more than either Wall or Turner. I'm really not concerned about Cousins attitude, if anything, I welcome it. It is exactly what this team needs. I still have yet to see JT or Spencer commit a hrd foul or intimidate anyone or anything on a basketball court.

I believe if there is one player who can have a dramatic impact on this team from this draft, not only talent wise, but making us instantly tougher, better defensively, better at rebounding, a true low post threat, the ability to make guards think twice about driving the lane, that player is Cousins.

Wall would be exciting. I like Turner more, as a fit for this team, and next to Tyreke. But Cousins could change the dynamic of this team more than either, and I honestly believe can improve this team more than either.


I admit I do really like the idea of DeMarcus and Tyreke together, I think Tyreke is the true team leader we have needed. DeMarcus and Landry would be pretty sick combo also.
 
Like I said in another thread, at this point, I think I want Cousins more than either Wall or Turner. I'm really not concerned about Cousins attitude, if anything, I welcome it. It is exactly what this team needs. I still have yet to see JT or Spencer commit a hrd foul or intimidate anyone or anything on a basketball court.

I believe if there is one player who can have a dramatic impact on this team from this draft, not only talent wise, but making us instantly tougher, better defensively, better at rebounding, a true low post threat, the ability to make guards think twice about driving the lane, that player is Cousins.

Wall would be exciting. I like Turner more, as a fit for this team, and next to Tyreke. But Cousins could change the dynamic of this team more than either, and I honestly believe can improve this team more than either.

You sum up pretty much how I feel.
 
To me, there is an obvious comparison for Cousins’ (best case – just hot headedness, probably – some hard headedness, worse case – knuckle headedness) … is Rasheed Wallace. I’m starting to think that he’s not DC or Artest, but this is exactly what they were saying about Sheed 15 years ago. “Not a bad guy, just passionate with a bit of a temper.” Yet, everybody knew he had a great game, the potential to be a problem child, and nobody was sure where he fell along that risk/reward scale. To help us out, Sheed eventually hit to all fields.

Would it shock me if Cousins’ was Sheed 04 in Detroit – no. Would it shock me if he was 02 Sheed – no.

If you are at 3 … then fine then take him and hope for the best.

But to take him over Wall or Turner … that makes no sense. That is having a talent starved team pass on much stronger bets based upon a need position … which is always a recipe for failure. Wall is a once every 10-15 year PG prospect. Turner is a great prospect, who really compliments Tyreke’s game (which isn’t a natural fit for every potential backcourt mate.)

Whereas, Cousin’s has a great game, size, and post game … but also isn’t a great athlete and, despite all the cheerleaders here, clearly has red flags associated with him. I know, the reply will be “That’s just a whisper campaign; nobody is citing anything specific, it’s just his reputation that proceeds him, he was young, ect.” All I know, is that in the last 5 years, I can only think of one other player with this much red flag talk – that would be Beasley and it proved to be more than founded. Before that, it was Ron/Ron.


To me, Wall has the potential to be a Wade/Rondo hybrid … with Lebron type athleticism. Worst case, he’s probably as good as Rondo last season. Turner reminds me of a less athletic Grant Hill or a better passing Roy, and his floor is probably much higher than any of the three players we are talking about. Draft express nailed Cousins – best case Al Jefferson. Worst case – Colman/Dampier.

No shot you pass on Wall or Turner for Cousins. Too much risk and too much of a reach. No NBA team will/would do that.
 
I think the Wallace comparison is a fair one. Not necessarily in terms of their skills, but their attitudes are similar.

Even if you think Cousins off the court stuff is overrated, and it might be, you have to admit he has a temper. Sometimes thats fine or even a good thing, but if 5 years from now Cousins is leading the league in techs, would that surprise you? If he gets caught with girls and weed in his hotel room during the rookie camp like Beasley did, would it surprise you? the answer for me is no.

I think he is a good player. I think he will be a good player, but there is SOME doubt in my mind that he'll be able to put it all together, like I had with Beasley. I cant say I have that doubt with Wall or Turner because I dont.

Hes a pretty nice consolation prize though. As long as we dont drop out of the top 4 were going to get someone we really need. Wall, Turner, Cousins, or Favors. Please give me one of these guys.
 
Wow he's 19, turning 20 and he doesn't even have a drivers license... how many 19 year old American kids can say that, much less a future NBA lottery pick who will have plenty of cash to buy expensive cars and jewelry soon.

Not too unusual these days. When I was a teen back in the 70's it was unheard of to not be doing everything you could to have your license at 16. These days it seems like a good number of teens I know are not in a big rush to get one and start driving. Including my oldest boy who wanted to wait until 17 and even then he was very cautious.

So in other words, I wouldn't think it's a red flag. He probably has a possee already that drives him everywhere!

And I'm all for Cousins as long as he has a strong drive and competitve personality. I think it's critical for the team to have a dominant presence in the paint more than another fine wing player. They can still get one via trade or free angency, but it's really hard to see that coming. Have to take a hard look at what he can do. And don't forget that the Kings didn't shy away from Artest and he really was a first class nut case. As long as the guy scares the other team more than his own team!
 
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I'm not sure the Wallace comparison is fair. By most accounts, Cousins off the court is a lot more mature than he was in high school, a guy the teammates and coaches enjoy having around. It's the on court temper that people worry about.

Sheed, on the other hand, was much worse off the court. He's the guy that threw a ball at his own teammate when the teammate wasn't looking, and laughed when the guy was on the court writhing in pain. I don't think Cousins is that bad.
 
Im pretty sure that the people who are skeptical about Cousins are people that havent watched him play. There was alot of talk about Cousins being drafted #2 behind Wall for a big chunk of the season. Its because Cousins is an amazing talent. Picking Cousins over Wall/Turner isnt just picking by positional need and ignoring other talents. Skilled back to the basket style big men are EXTREMELY rare. Demarcus Cousins is one of those players.
 
Oh, I've seen him play a few times. I had the same reaction as Tom Tolbert on KNBR - the kid can play, but I've got a really bad vibe from his demeanor.

Big men are rare. Because of his athleticism, we are talking more along the lines of Al Jefferson than Shaq. Then you factor in the risk ... and there is no way you get ahead of Wall.

Even in your post, you say ... people were talking about him going second. I think the same would apply to Turner.

You are entitled to your opinion, I'm just saying: (1) it's wrong; and (2) no GM will do that. We can debate the first, but the second is fact. Maybe you can find some fringe person looking for ink, but you won't find somebody who covers the league who: (1) thinks Cousins will go before Wall; or (2) thinks that's a good idea.

My last post stands. There are red flags, they matter, and risk v reward ... you take Wall. 30 teams will do that.
 
The Wallace thing is totally fair. At the time, his anger and personality were “an issue” and “played off” the same way. And Rasheed remained an angry problem child his whole career. With Rasheed, there was some talk. Here, it’s an outright issue with the guy. Like I said, there are red flag guys that come in every year. You never get concrete details because a writer isn’t going to publish – “man this guy seems to be a bad person” “mental issues” or “drug problems” without a lot of confirmed sources – or probably not at all.

I don’t know if there is fire. There is a lot of smoke. Beasley sized smoke. Nobody knows for sure whether he’s a “little bit of a hot head” or a guy that’s a problem due to his anger. Nobody knows that. I’m not saying we shouldn’t draft him at any slot, I’m just saying that his risk/reward cannot put him ahead of Wall … which some people suggested here … which isn’t going to happen.
 
Oh, I've seen him play a few times. I had the same reaction as Tom Tolbert on KNBR - the kid can play, but I've got a really bad vibe from his demeanor.

Big men are rare. Because of his athleticism, we are talking more along the lines of Al Jefferson than Shaq. Then you factor in the risk ... and there is no way you get ahead of Wall.

Even in your post, you say ... people were talking about him going second. I think the same would apply to Turner.

You are entitled to your opinion, I'm just saying: (1) it's wrong; and (2) no GM will do that. We can debate the first, but the second is fact. Maybe you can find some fringe person looking for ink, but you won't find somebody who covers the league who: (1) thinks Cousins will go before Wall; or (2) thinks that's a good idea.

My last post stands. There are red flags, they matter, and risk v reward ... you take Wall. 30 teams will do that.

I'll raise you. I'll take Wall, Turner, and Favors over Cousins, and then I'd take a strong drink and take Udoh and Aldrich over him too. Who wants to take anybody in the top 5 with the bad vibe thing going on?
 
I think the Wallace comparison is a fair one. Not necessarily in terms of their skills, but their attitudes are similar.

Even if you think Cousins off the court stuff is overrated, and it might be, you have to admit he has a temper. Sometimes thats fine or even a good thing, but if 5 years from now Cousins is leading the league in techs, would that surprise you? If he gets caught with girls and weed in his hotel room during the rookie camp like Beasley did, would it surprise you? the answer for me is no.

I think he is a good player. I think he will be a good player, but there is SOME doubt in my mind that he'll be able to put it all together, like I had with Beasley. I cant say I have that doubt with Wall or Turner because I dont.

Hes a pretty nice consolation prize though. As long as we dont drop out of the top 4 were going to get someone we really need. Wall, Turner, Cousins, or Favors. Please give me one of these guys.

Here's the deal. I started this thread, not to promote Cousins as our pick over Turner or Wall. But because I followed the guy all year and I think he's getting a bum rap. And part of the problem is something you just did in your post. I know it wasn't intentional, but the result could end up being the same. You stated that if he gets caught with girls and weed in his room at rookie camp you wouldn't be surprised. You also alluded to his offcourt problems. So first, he hasn't had any offcourt problems. All his problems have been on the court. And some of those have been exaggerated. According to one of his best friends and some of his teammates, he doesn't smoke, drink, or do any drugs. Actually most of his friends and teammates say he's a pretty goofy guy off the court.

Trust me, someone will read your post and come away thinking that Cousins smokes pot. And he'll post it on another fourm, and it go on and on and then it will become fact in everyone's mind. People see what they want to see.

I agree that worse case scenario would be Wallace. But why do we always assume the worse case. There have been plenty of players that had bad tempers that matured out of it as they got older. Wallace is one that didn't. Fine! Greivis Vasquez was a player that was considered a big time hot head his freshman year. And believe me he was. But now he's a different person. Oh he still has that fire in him. But he tempers it now. Who knows how Wallace might have turned out had he gone into a different inviorment from college.

My personal choice is still Turner. Thats the guy I want. But its just become too fashionable to beat up on Cousins. The guy has taken a lot of abuse. On the court and off from the so called pundits. And yeah, he brought some of it on himself by his actions before he even got to college. But from day one, every team he faced tried to provoke him into doing something stupid. And if he accidently did something, that if any other player had done, it would have been excused, but he of course was accused of doing it on purpose. Even the play where he slapped the player with the ball in the groin. If you watch the play closely, he was slapping at where the ball had been just a few seconds before. Unfortunately the player had raised the ball up and cousins got him in the groin. Even the announcers said it was accidental. Yes he reacted badly when he was called for a technical. And that was the reason Calapari pulled him from the game. But now its accepted by most that he intentionally hit the player in the groin.

He may turn out to be Gengis Kann. I don't have a crystal ball. But I do think he deserves more of benefit of the doubt than he's getting. I seriously doubt that most of the Holier than thou people could have put up with what he put up with this season.
 
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For all I've said today, I agree a lot with what Bajaden just wrote. I think the red flags have been used to make this guy out to be Eddy Curry, DC, or a drug person, and I don't think that's right. To that end, they red flags are way "over blown" in that sense. But the idea of most fans not knowing what the extent or nature of the red flags come with lawsuits and standards. Look, he's got red flags. We can play them up or knock them down with either lots of and/or no real substance.

At the same time, there is a lot of smoke here on legit red flags. Risk v. reward, nobody takes him 1. I really don't think anybody takes him 2 - which is all that I was saying.

We can talk more about the 3-6 thing next week.
 
Here's the deal. I started this thread, not to promote Cousins as our pick over Turner or Wall. But because I followed the guy all year and I think he's getting a bum rap. And part of the problem is something you just did in your post. I know it wasn't intentional, but the result could end up being the same. You stated that if he gets caught with girls and weed in his room at rookie camp you wouldn't be surprised. You also alluded to his offcourt problems. So first, he hasn't had any offcourt problems. All his problems have been on the court. And some of those have been exaggerated. According to one of his best friends and some of his teammates, he doesn't smoke, drink, or do any drugs. Actually most of his friends and teammates say he's a pretty goofy guy off the court.

Trust me, someone will read your post and come away thinking that Cousins smokes pot. And he'll post it on another fourm, and it go on and on and then it will become fact in everyone's mind. People see what they want to see.

I agree that worse case scenario would be Wallace. But why do we always assume the worse case. There have been plenty of players that had bad tempers that matured out of it as they got older. Wallace is one that didn't. Fine! Greivis Vasquez was a player that was considered a big time hot head his freshman year. And believe me he was. But now he's a different person. Oh he still has that fire in him. But he tempers it now. Who knows how Wallace might have turned out had he gone into a different inviorment from college.

My personal choice is still Turner. Thats the guy I want. But its just become too fashionable to beat up on Cousins. The guy has taken a lot of abuse. On the court and off from the so called pundits. And yeah, he brought some of it on himself by his actions before he even got to college. But from day one, every team he faced tried to provoke him into doing something stupid. And if he accidently did something, that if any other player had done, it would have been excused, but he of course was accused of doing it on purpose. Even the play where he slapped the player with the ball in the groin. If you watch the play closely, he was slapping at where the ball had been just a few seconds before. Unfortunately the player had raised the ball up and cousins got him in the groin. Even the announcers said it was accidental. Yes he reacted badly when he was called for a technical. And that was the reason Calapari pulled him from the game. But now its accepted by most that he intentionally hit the player in the groin.

He may turn out to be Gengis Kann. I don't have a crystal ball. But I do think he deserves more of benefit of the doubt than he's getting. I seriously doubt that most of the Holier than thou people could have put up with what he put up with this season.

Fashionable? I think the anti-Cousin people on this board are in the distinct minority. It's much more fashionable to want Cousins because he's a big rebounder with a post game. Cut the holier than thou crap. You don't have to be sanctimonious to not want the guy.
 
I'll raise you. I'll take Wall, Turner, and Favors over Cousins, and then I'd take a strong drink and take Udoh and Aldrich over him too. Who wants to take anybody in the top 5 with the bad vibe thing going on?

Me, for one. If we pick at 4 or 5 and Wall/Turner/Favors are gone, I send Cousins' name to David Stern in 2.4 seconds, and it would be faster if it took me less time to write it down on the card.

If we're choosing between Cousins and any of the above guys, I have to think about it, and Cousins' red flags will weigh in the decision.

At any rate, I'm not picking. But I'm sure our front office will do their due diligence and I trust that we will assess the players at the top of the draft as well as we did last year.
 
I SERIOUSLY doubt that Cousins "character issues" will have anything to do with the selection that the Kings make. We're talking about a front office that traded one of its star players for a guy that was fresh off of a one year suspension for running into the stands and beating an innocent fan. This whole character issue/maturity thing is WAYYYYYY WAY WAY overblown.
 
I SERIOUSLY doubt that Cousins "character issues" will have anything to do with the selection that the Kings make. We're talking about a front office that traded one of its star players for a guy that was fresh off of a one year suspension for running into the stands and beating an innocent fan. This whole character issue/maturity thing is WAYYYYYY WAY WAY overblown.

I’m assuming this is sarcasm, but then I read a previous post and I wonder whether you are inadvertently agreeing with unintended irony.
 
For all I've said today, I agree a lot with what Bajaden just wrote. I think the red flags have been used to make this guy out to be Eddy Curry, DC, or a drug person, and I don't think that's right. To that end, they red flags are way "over blown" in that sense. But the idea of most fans not knowing what the extent or nature of the red flags come with lawsuits and standards. Look, he's got red flags. We can play them up or knock them down with either lots of and/or no real substance.

At the same time, there is a lot of smoke here on legit red flags. Risk v. reward, nobody takes him 1. I really don't think anybody takes him 2 - which is all that I was saying.

We can talk more about the 3-6 thing next week.

I think we are in agreement.. I think you do have to take everything into consideration, including the red flags. I also think that its important to remember that he is a talented player. I wouldn't take him at one or two. But I do think I would take him over Favors. But thats now. Lets wait and see how things shake out after the combine and the workouts.
 
Fashionable? I think the anti-Cousin people on this board are in the distinct minority. It's much more fashionable to want Cousins because he's a big rebounder with a post game. Cut the holier than thou crap. You don't have to be sanctimonious to not want the guy.

What happened big guy? Did the shoe accidently fit? Don't think I was talking about it being a majority or a minority. But I was talking about anyone that sits and wants to pass judgement on a 19 year old kid without watching him play or doing any research as to the facts. I wasn't pointing the finger at you. But if you want to wear the mantle, have at it.

You don't like Cousins! Fine! But if you or anyone else is going to say something I find not to be true, or unsubstantiated, then I'm going to say so. Personally I despise rumors that are damaging to a persons charactor. And I use the word rumor because a rumor is not a fact. I had my life temporarily ruined, by someone that made up a rumor about me. And there are people to this day, 35 years later, that still believe that it was true. So your walking on the wrong side of me with rumors.

I will tell you something I do know. I know its easy to sit on the outside looking in, and always take the high road. I also know that you have no idea how you would react under the same circumstances, unless you go through it yourself. I saw guys in Vietnam that talked about how tough and brave they were, pee in their pants the first time a mortar round went off near them. As I said, its easy to pass judgement from the outside. Different story when your going through it.
 
I’m assuming this is sarcasm, but then I read a previous post and I wonder whether you are inadvertently agreeing with unintended irony.

My post isnt sarcastic nor does it resemble any form of sarcasm. What irony do you speak of? Im pretty sure the FO doesnt choose to bring in players because of their potential to win the outstanding citizen award.
 
Im pretty sure the FO doesnt choose to bring in players because of their potential to win the outstanding citizen award.

The Artest trade was generally believed to have been decided by the Maloofs, who are now thought to be leaving more of team management decisions to the pros. Without hard, factual knowledge of what goes on on the top level of the franchise, we can't know anything for sure, but I think it'd be dicey to assume that we'd take another risk like that now.
 
I would also like to state that as good as i think Turner and especially Wall can be i think most people are making overly lofty predictions about how good they will both be. People are denouncing picking Cousins over either of the players because Wall and Turner are believed to be superstar level talents. I would say its more of a reach to predict Wall and Turner will be superstars than it is to predict that Cousins will be elite at his position.
 
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My post isnt sarcastic nor does it resemble any form of sarcasm. What irony do you speak of? Im pretty sure the FO doesnt choose to bring in players because of their potential to win the outstanding citizen award.

You just brought up the Artest trade - and cited that move for the proposition that the Kings (regardless of who pulled the trigger then or now) wouldn't consider red flags and/or character issues when deciding whether to retain a top player. If you cannot see the irony, I cannot help you find it.
 
You just brought up the Artest trade - and cited that move for the proposition that the Kings (regardless of who pulled the trigger then or now) wouldn't consider red flags and/or character issues when deciding whether to retain a top player. If you cannot see the irony, I cannot help you find it.

Is it ironic because the Kings eventually traded Artest? Can you point it out? Im clueless :confused:
 
Is it ironic because the Kings eventually traded Artest? Can you point it out? Im clueless :confused:

Relative to all the Artest-era stuff, you're kind of new here and missed out on some things, so let me fill you in a little.

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=658

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28149

That's just a tiny sample, of course, "Artest + drama" yields 1980 hits on this site. But look at that poll... out of 68 people, not a single one wanted him to stay until the end of his contract, and not one wanted him to sign an extension. :eek:

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Relative to all the Artest-era stuff, you're kind of new here and missed out on some things, so let me fill you in a little.

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=658

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28149

That's just a tiny sample, of course, "Artest + drama" yields 1980 hits on this site. But look at that poll... out of 68 people, not a single one wanted him to stay until the end of his contract, and not one wanted him to sign an extension. :eek:

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Give me a break, most people here are drama queens. That poll only shows how much we needed more talent than anything else, it was also filled with trying to trade Rons value with a toxic asset in KT.

Edit: Just to show we got actual value for Ron, while kt we got nothing at all.
http://sacramento.about.com/od/procollegesports/a/073108_artest.htm
 
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