DeMarcus Cousins 'Loves' Dave Joerger's Offense

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243496/DeMarcus-Cousins-Loves-Dave-Joergers-Offense

Dave Joerger plans on using DeMarcus Cousins in the high post more this season as he implements his offense for the Sacramento Kings. Cousins will be more of a facilitator in the role similar to how Marc Gasol operated.

“I love it. I love it. I love it,” said Cousins.

Cousins averaged 3.3 assists per game last season.

“A lot of learning,” Cousins said after Monday’s practice. “It’s a new system, of course, a lot of options, man. The offense is different. I think it’s a good look for our team. I think this will help this team get to the next level. So it’s about us getting the system down pat and getting these options, a lot of options."
 
lwc

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I actually think Cousins in the high post will help Ben McLemores game because he will have to do less ball handling and he can use his athleticism to dash and dart toward the basket on backdoor cuts
 
bajaden

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I've said for some time that Cousins best spot on the floor is in the high post. Very similar to how Webber played, and then Brad Miller. He can do so many things from that spot because of his ballhandling abilities. His assist numbers should go up because of his ability to see more of the floor from there. Probably less wear and tear from there as well over the length of the season. I'm curious to see how Rudy, if he's not traded before the season, will fit into this offense.
 
upinsmoke

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bajaden said:
I've said for some time that Cousins best spot on the floor is in the high post. Very similar to how Webber played, and then Brad Miller. He can do so many things from that spot because of his ballhandling abilities. His assist numbers should go up because of his ability to see more of the floor from there. Probably less wear and tear from there as well over the length of the season. I'm curious to see how Rudy, if he's not traded before the season, will fit into this offense.
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That's the question in the minds of many people who closely follow this team. With so many options at the wing and the signing of Tolliver SOMEONE is getting left out.
 
Sac.1989

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just give the ball to boogie and let him make decisions. We're all in with him and he should be touching the ball as much as possible.
 
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bajaden said:
I've said for some time that Cousins best spot on the floor is in the high post. Very similar to how Webber played, and then Brad Miller. He can do so many things from that spot because of his ballhandling abilities. His assist numbers should go up because of his ability to see more of the floor from there. Probably less wear and tear from there as well over the length of the season. I'm curious to see how Rudy, if he's not traded before the season, will fit into this offense.
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Rudy should fit just fine. There's going to be many times when the "system" doesn't work due to good defense. On those plays you're going to need a guy who can just do what he does to get you the points. Rudy and Cousins are the only guys on this team currently who can do that consistently.
 
Bricklayer

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sono said:
Does it mean a new PG is no longer priority?
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There's something to that. This is not the Princeton, but the similarities are enough to note that ball dominant PGs like Rondo, JWill, and possibly even a Lawson, are anathema to systems like that. Not only not necessary for them, but actually actively discriminated by them to the point they are fish out of water. The Princeton, the Triangle, any system which takes the decisionmaking out of the hands of the PG, renders the great ballhandling/ball dominating/assisting PGs irrelevant. All that is needed or wanted is at best a Bibby, depending on system. Bring the ball up, hit open shots, and possibly run the pick and roll, although I saw little of that action tonight. In such a system 5-6 assists from your PG is all that can be reasonably expected.

It makes the Farmar addition interesting, although it is extremely hard to see us keeping him on the roster over the vastly more accomplished Lawson, especially after Temple could do little with kids as PG #3 tonight. Nonetheless, Farmar of course came up in the Triangle. And there is this:

For their careers, per36 minutes:

Collison 15.4pts .374Thr% 3.3reb 5.9ast 1.4stl 0.2blk 2.6TO
Conley 15.0pts .373Thr% 3.2reb 6.2ast 1.7stl 0.2blk 2.2TO
Farmar 14.2pts .374Thr% 3.5reb 5.3ast 1.4stl 0.2blk 2.5TO
Lawson 15.8pts .366Thr% 3.3reb 7.5ast 1.4stl 0.1blk 2.6TO


Is Farmar the weakest of those players? Sure, and it goes beyond just numbers. But given this type of system, the type he has run for a large chunk of his career, and which would likely have cut down his numbers relative to the others, he might not be THAT much weaker doing what we need done.
 
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Sac.Kings

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funkykingston said:
As soon as Joerger said he wanted a ball movement offense the writing was on the wall with Rondo.
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I love Rondo and always have. Having said that I much prefer a free flowing offense with crisp passing than a single guy controlling everything. It makes a team far less predictable when the opposing teams don't know where the pass is coming from. Makes it more fun to watch too.
 
funkykingston

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pdizo916 said:
Man, i love this coach. I hope he doesn't get Malone'd...
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Depending on whose account of things is more accurate Malone's firing was due to Vivek being either (a) too easily convinced by his GM/consultant that the roster was better than it was and the coach was holding it back or (b) being too impatient and thinking the quick shifts that often work in the business/technology world would work similarly in the NBA.

Personally I think it's the latter but it doesn't really matter. Vlade is a patient GM and seems to be in lockstep with Joerger and Ranadive seems to have learned from/been stung by his earlier knee jerk moves and perceived over involvement.

It's still very early but from what little I've see Joerger should be the Kings' coach for a looong time.
 
Bricklayer

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funkykingston said:
Depending on whose account of things is more accurate Malone's firing was due to Vivek being either (a) too easily convinced by his GM/consultant that the roster was better than it was and the coach was holding it back or (b) being too impatient and thinking the quick shifts that often work in the business/technology world would work similarly in the NBA.

Personally I think it's the latter but it doesn't really matter. Vlade is a patient GM and seems to be in lockstep with Joerger and Ranadive seems to have learned from/been stung by his earlier knee jerk moves and perceived over involvement.

It's still very early but from what little I've see Joerger should be the Kings' coach for a looong time.
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Vivek has also had the impending arena to keep him entertained and feeling useful. Figure that's got a couple of more years after opening before he might begin to look for new things to irritate.

IF Joerger/Cousins can have enough success here to give Vlade a chance to keep Boogie, then I think the trifecta defies Vivek's meddling until plateauing or disappointments emerge. On the other hand, the Big Papa thing might be an early chink, and if Boogie is lost as well, I could see heat being applied to Vlade to get it right post haste.
 
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Cousins is a great passer. He can shoot from anywhere. He is the closest thing to a point power forward, or point center in the NBA.
When he is in the high post, it clears the opposing center out of the deep paint.
 
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I know it's a thread about offense but lets not forget that the #1 problem for the last decade has been awful defense.

The only time the team has been mildly successful in the last 10 years has been under Malone when our offense was below average but our defense was above average.
 
gunks

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Good thing Mr. Joerger is known as a defensive minded coach!

It'll probably take a bit longer to come along than the offense, but I'd imagine we're gonna see some improvements on both ends next season.

Not that its hard to improve on Karl's "switch for no reason and give up open 3s even though the NBA has become all about the 3pt shot" defensive strategy.
 
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