DeMar DeRozan Rumor
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I'd imagine if the Kings can't swing a trade for Lauri or Brandon that DeRozan would be the fall back plan. I don't necessarily like the idea of giving him the type of salary he is demanding but if it's maybe a two year deal or three year with a player option then it may be something to consider. I still don't like the fit, considering Sabonis operates in the same area he excels at and with Sabonis already not shooting enough as is, it may become problematic.
He's best at creating in the mid-range and getting to the line and I wouldn't expect that to change even in our DHO oriented offense, but DeRozan did shoot 39% on his corner threes this past season according to basketball-reference.com. There's a little more catch and shoot in his game than he typically gets credit for.
I think sign and trades have to be at least 3 years, but only have to make the first year fully guaranteed. Sabonis was 33/72 from mid range last season and seems to hesitate (but improved vs. passing them up vs. Golden State in the playoffs) while DeRozan was 235/547 as the mid-range king so I they would complement each other nicely, although DeRozan would probably end up taking shots from Sabonis.
That's correct, but there's a difference between non-guaranteed salary (team decides) and player options. S&T contracts can't have a player option until year 4. So this means that DDR can't do a S&T contract at a lower salary with a player option after year 1 so he can hit free agency again and try for a bigger deal. If he signs a S&T contract, he commits to 3 years at the salary agreed upon - even if the team doesn't.
DDR played 15 seasons already. Coming Monday he will turn 35. He played 9 seasons with the Raptors. Many times out of ALL 400 NBA players he had the worst FG% - bellow 40%.
After DDR got traded from Toronto to Spurs, in 3 seasons with the Spurs team went 48-34, 32-39,33-39. PO was made only in first season of 2019, just to lose to Nuggets in first round 3-4.
DDR signed with the Bulls, played 3 years. Team record: 46-36 first year, made into PO to lose to Bucks 1-4. 40-42 and 39-43 following to seasons, no POs.
I didn't follow him when he was with the Spurs and Bulls. I had enough when DDR was with Toronto.
He is 6'6"??? Maybe in high heels.
I'm OK with most bball players. Though in NBA I want nothing to do with Draymond Green and DDR. Just my personal take.
After DDR got traded from Toronto to Spurs, in 3 seasons with the Spurs team went 48-34, 32-39,33-39. PO was made only in first season of 2019, just to lose to Nuggets in first round 3-4.
DDR signed with the Bulls, played 3 years. Team record: 46-36 first year, made into PO to lose to Bucks 1-4. 40-42 and 39-43 following to seasons, no POs.
I didn't follow him when he was with the Spurs and Bulls. I had enough when DDR was with Toronto.
He is 6'6"??? Maybe in high heels.
I'm OK with most bball players. Though in NBA I want nothing to do with Draymond Green and DDR. Just my personal take.
DeRozan has never shot below 40% from the field in his career. His worst season was 41.3%. He has only 5 seasons below 45%, the most recent of which was ten years ago. His career shooting percentage is 46.9%, which is dragged down by those early years, which are not as bad you said they were. Over the past five years, which is probably a better indicator of the player we would be getting if we signed him, he has shot 50.2%. Moreover, his TS% over that time is 59.1%, bolstered in his case less by his three-point shooting (32.2% - but only 1 in 10 shots he takes is a three), but rather by his FT shooting (86.5% on 7.3 attempts per game).
Maybe if you had paid scant attention to the player DeRozan has been since he left the Raptors you would understand why there are people on this board in favor of adding him to the team.
Maybe if you had paid scant attention to the player DeRozan has been since he left the Raptors you would understand why there are people on this board in favor of adding him to the team.
If I thought Ingram was a max-type guy, I'd be all over it. He'd improve our team, but ultimately he'd be the third wheel behind Fox and Sabonis, and if Murray develops as we hope he could be the 4th guy. I'd take him, but I'd be reluctant to pay a lot of money (over a lot of years) or send out a lot of assets for that. Ingram feels like a guy you lock in for 5-6 years and leaves you no flexibility, and I'm not sure that's the best move.
DDR would be three years at what now appears to be low-mid $20s. Less commitment, fewer assets out, more flexibility, an understanding that at 35 this isn't "his" team...I'm just way more comfortable with that. And hey, if you look at some of the advanced stats (WS, VORP) DDR has a much bigger positive impact on his teams over the last few years anyway. Everybody loves size, but it's not everything.
DDR at $20 for me would be the better move.
DDR would be three years at what now appears to be low-mid $20s. Less commitment, fewer assets out, more flexibility, an understanding that at 35 this isn't "his" team...I'm just way more comfortable with that. And hey, if you look at some of the advanced stats (WS, VORP) DDR has a much bigger positive impact on his teams over the last few years anyway. Everybody loves size, but it's not everything.
DDR at $20 for me would be the better move.
Agreed on DDR over Ingram. Lauri remains the number one dream scenario for me as I think he just makes so much sense for this team, but I am also aware that this Ainge we are going up against. Tough nut to crack. DDR is a very solid fall back option and we can keep his minutes a little lower with Monk back and with Carter on board.
This guy was 10th in the league in Offensive Win Shares last season. You could make a case that he belonged on an All-NBA team with the numbers he put up. He last played in Toronto 6 years ago... he's not the same player now that he was in Toronto. His efficiency is up and he's improved as a shooter and playmaker.
Also, we wouldn't be getting him to make him the centerpiece of the team or even a part of the core. He represents depth on the wing where we're still a little thin -- especially in players who create their own shot. He would add some serious scoring punch to a roster which is hanging around the playoff conversation but has fallen short the past two years in getting a big playoff series win. And that frees Monte up to use the rest of his assets to go out and acquire a defensive specialist or two to finish out the depth chart.
Not to mention... DeRozan played his HS ball in California and one year of college ball at USC. He's not an unknown quantity on the West Coast. That's just silly talk.
Also, we wouldn't be getting him to make him the centerpiece of the team or even a part of the core. He represents depth on the wing where we're still a little thin -- especially in players who create their own shot. He would add some serious scoring punch to a roster which is hanging around the playoff conversation but has fallen short the past two years in getting a big playoff series win. And that frees Monte up to use the rest of his assets to go out and acquire a defensive specialist or two to finish out the depth chart.
Not to mention... DeRozan played his HS ball in California and one year of college ball at USC. He's not an unknown quantity on the West Coast. That's just silly talk.
I’d say it’s you that doesn’t know what kind of player he is. You were already way off about his fg%, not even close actually. It’s as if you are thinking of a different player.
The guy has been a fairly efficient offensive player most his career. He’s even been a willing passer. The only real hole in his offensive game is 3 point shooting. He’s even a good free throw shooter and known to be clutch.
The real concern is on the defensive side of the ball. After making strides defensively last season and now adding Devin Carter, adding DDR would seemingly be taking a step back in that regard.
I’d rather add DDR than KK, but it’s nowhere near the move Lauri or Ingram would be.
The guy has been a fairly efficient offensive player most his career. He’s even been a willing passer. The only real hole in his offensive game is 3 point shooting. He’s even a good free throw shooter and known to be clutch.
The real concern is on the defensive side of the ball. After making strides defensively last season and now adding Devin Carter, adding DDR would seemingly be taking a step back in that regard.
I’d rather add DDR than KK, but it’s nowhere near the move Lauri or Ingram would be.
You claimed that DDR had many seasons with a FG% under 40%. You claimed that many times he had finished with the worst FG% in the league (actual facts: worst finish: 14th-worst among qualifiers, his only bottom-20 finish; not in bottom-50 of qualifiers in any of the past NINE seasons). And then you accuse the rest of us of having no clue about what kind of player he is? That's rich.
He made all-NBA second team just 2 seasons ago, so clearly he’s better than this guy thinks.
As I already said, the only real concern I see is defensively. The 3 pt shooting isn’t that big a deal IMO as the KINGS have plenty of guys to spread the floor. A guy like DDR would add some offensive versatility and also someone not always bombing from 3 shooting them out of games.
As I already said, the only real concern I see is defensively. The 3 pt shooting isn’t that big a deal IMO as the KINGS have plenty of guys to spread the floor. A guy like DDR would add some offensive versatility and also someone not always bombing from 3 shooting them out of games.
, but for everyone else's convenience... 
That’s one thing about DDR that makes him way more attractive that the other options. That contract should fit nicely into our timeline to when we need to pivot and extend Keegan… we just have to hope by then he’s actually blossomed into that legit third star we desperately need to complete the core. As built, we go as far as Keegan ascends. DDR can bridge the gap until we get there, without completely hamstringing us into the distant distant future.
Even though a guy like Ingram would seem preferable because of his relative youth (26) when compared to DeRozan (35), it should be noted that DDR has played in 79, 74, and 76 games across his last three seasons. He's only rarely dipped below the 70-game mark throughout his 15 years in the NBA. You've got to figure age is going to catch up with him eventually, but he's been quite the iron man thus far in his career. If the contract is structured right, and if no serious assets go out in the sign-and-trade, it's a pretty solid bet in the near-term and a significant immediate talent upgrade.