Defense still not addressed

[BibityBobtyBoom]

Kings play D, i seend it with my own eyes in the series against the Twolves. I saw peja play lock down D on nash and nowitzki on plays that could have determined the outcome of the game, and they missed those shots.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I think having a starting 5 that is very offensive like ours, then a more defensive/athletic bench could be a good thing, a nice change of pace
Our bench looks alot more Athletic then last year
Skinner>Otag
Thomas>Songaila
Garcia good defender, can block shots and swing very well
so
Garcia=Evans
Hart>Jackson ( Hart is prolly just as athletic and a better defender because of Bobbys age

& can't forget Wells>Mobley

I think Petrie did all he could do to try and transform this team without getting rid of core players,Sampson and Price are supposedly both good defenders too.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Yeah, Peja plays decent defense.

Remember Peja in the playoffs 2 years ago, Making those huge stops on Finley Dirk and Sprewell, Pejas defence is very much underrated, I think for the athletic ability that he possess his defence couldnt get much better, he stays in front of his man and frequently knocks the ball loose from people.. Our problem is Bibby getting beat off the dribble, then teams penetrating and dishing to big men, because Brad or Kenny has to step up, if Bibby can step up his Shuffling on D then I think we could be a decent defensive team, were not big shot blockers, but contesting shots can be just as useful, and to properly contest a shot you have to have good position, it has to start somewhere and I think if Bibby can make those adjustments we could be a solid defensive team, well at least better then last year...

 

[chelle]

My take is that we are still above average offensively and still below average defensively. That will be my position until they prove it differently to me either way - no matter the players we gain or lose. This team has a way of making average offensive players even better and average defensive players even worse. BUT, I keep watching every year for 3 main reasons: 1. I LOVE THIS TEAM (records and names irrelavent.) 2. Anything can happen. Each season begins with a fresh start. 3. You never know when the "magic" is going to hit.

Some fans look at the negatives to point the areas in which we need to improve.
Some fans look at the positive to point out where we excel.
That is what makes this board so interesting. Different views on the same thing makes for lively discussions!

 

[ParniValjak]

we need a guy like reggie evans (off the bench or otherwise) who's gonna be a true force in the paint (defensively) and on the boards.

Why do people ALWAYS say that Evans is some force defensively?????? People confuse defense with rebounding. Evans is a superb rebounder but he is a VERY lousy defender.

Getting Evans DOESN'T improve our defence but it does improve our rebounding.

 

[Padrino]

Why do people ALWAYS say that Evans is some force defensively?????? People confuse defense with rebounding. Evans is a superb rebounder but he is a VERY lousy defender.

Getting Evans DOESN'T improve our defence but it does improve our rebounding.

you are right. rebounding does not equal defense. it is only an aspect of the greater whole of "defense." however, as poor as the kings are defensively, they score enough to beat just about any team in the nba. one might then ask "why didnt the kings beat more teams last season that they should have beat?" well...the kings score aplenty, but they give up too many points also. if they were to cut down the second, third, and fourth chance points by 3/4, maybe just even a half, then they will have given themselves an edge that wasnt there last season. evans may not be a "force to be reckoned with," but he's one helluva banger, especially when compared to the rest of the kings Charmin Ultrasoft squad. if he, or someone like him, could give quality defensive/rebounding minutes off thye bench, then the kings will have added a dimension, however small, that wasnt present last season and that they are in desperate need of. if petrie aint gonna trade any of the core, then the kings are gonna be an offensively minded team. and, depending on one's view of what it takes to win a championship, this could be a good thing or a bad thing. regardless, an inexpensive banger/rebounder like evans would be able to help the kings plenty. he may not do wonders for the team, but he, or someone like him, could shave off several points from the opposition's final score by limiting their second chance points, and would therefore give the kings squad of this coming year an advantage over the one that finished so poorly last season. imo, thats a start.

 

[ParniValjak]

you are right. rebounding does not equal defense. it is only an aspect of the greater whole of "defense." however, as poor as the kings are defensively, they score enough to beat just about any team in the nba. one might then ask "why didnt the kings beat more teams last season that they should have beat?" well...the kings score aplenty, but they give up too many points also. if they were to cut down the second, third, and fourth chance points by 3/4, maybe just even a half, then they will have given themselves an edge that wasnt there last season. evans may not be a "force to be reckoned with," but he's one helluva banger, especially when compared to the rest of the kings Charmin Ultrasoft squad. if he, or someone like him, could give quality defensive/rebounding minutes off thye bench, then the kings will have added a dimension, however small, that wasnt present last season and that they are in desperate need of. if petrie aint gonna trade any of the core, then the kings are gonna be an offensively minded team. and, depending on one's view of what it takes to win a championship, this could be a good thing or a bad thing. regardless, an inexpensive banger/rebounder like evans would be able to help the kings plenty. he may not do wonders for the team, but he, or someone like him, could shave off several points from the opposition's final score by limiting their second chance points, and would therefore give the kings squad of this coming year an advantage over the one that finished so poorly last season. imo, thats a start.

That I do agree with. He would be a reabounding beast and having him in the line up would limit oppsotions 2nd and 3rd chances, hence reducing the points agains (for us).

What I don't agree with is posters making Evans sound like some sort of defensive force that is a certainty for NBA 1sr All-Defensive team. He is an undersized player that happens to be a great rebound and not much more. Having him in the line up will NOT make us significantly better defensively as some make it like. He would be a small step in the right direction but not a big difference maker.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I honestly wish defese was as simple as hire one guy who who plays D and everything is solved. Unfortunatly the situation is far more complex than that. The coaching staff has changed very little over the past few seasons. I know some folks blame the coaches but a few years back the Kings really played very good D. The problem is the players individually and as a group. Neither SAR nor Bonzi are defensife specialists but SAR CAN board and can block the ocasional shot. Bonzi has been know to "stay with his man" but has lots of defensive woes. Of the remaing Kings we all know Bibby's short commings and Brad's problms with fouls, but I alsothink we tend to forget that Pedja CAN defned dam well and that when Brad has help inside his defensive boards and ablity to frustrate not so big big men is actualy acceptable. Give these boys some actual practice together and they might make the zone work well and even play some decent man to man... nothing earth shaking but with the fire power they have all these Kings have to do is hold oponents to 100 or so and they should win 75% of their games, now weather they WILL or not remains to be seen.

 

[Bricklayer]

SAR rebounded like Darius last year (10.1 per 48 to Darius 9.9 per 48) and was outblocked by Cat Mobley. (0.49 to 0.48).

Brad got squished like a bug against every Tom, Dick and Joel Pryzbilla in the league last year and should be receiving royalty checks from Joel, Chris Kaman, Jerome James, and a host of others who are going to get very rich off him.

Bibby is...Bibby. When we're talking defense, that's not a good thing.

Peja...well, we've talked about Peja ad nauseam on here. My line is always that he's been an above average individual defender but an atrocious help defender. Just this week we ahd that deep statitical survey pop up on 82games.com alleging that Peja has ranked as the 2nd worst defensive SF in the league for the last three years. Not sure whther I believe its that bad or not, but I consider it a possibility that the combination of wussy help defense and pisspoor rebounding means that his team really suffers defensively for his presence despite his one on one competence.

Bonzi is somewhat better on defense than I think you give him credit for. Not a stopper, but tough, physical, a ballhawk.

You take all of that together and you have to squint real hard to see everybody's better defensive angels miraculously climbing atop the dung heap and combining to form...a mediocre defensive team. Which is again why I really think we need a defensive leader to lead and inspire. A new Doug basically, although he doesn't have to play anything like Doug (for our team, a shotblocker is the logical choice). Just somebody who will make the rest of these softies feel guilty when they get blown by and wuss out, and somebody who can give them confidence on that end of the floor.

 

[slugking50]

You're too fast for a slug with those stubborn comments.

it bored.

< Takes the high road >


Everybody is intitled to an opinion. If you dont like what I have to say simply skip over it. It doesn't take much effort. Try it starting now.

 

[slugking50]

You take all of that together and you have to squint real hard to see everybody's better defensive angels miraculously climbing atop the dung heap and combining to form...a mediocre defensive team. Which is again why I really think we need a defensive leader to lead and inspire. A new Doug basically, although he doesn't have to play anything like Doug (for our team, a shotblocker is the logical choice). Just somebody who will make the rest of these softies feel guilty when they get blown by and wuss out, and somebody who can give them confidence on that end of the floor.

Maybe we can trade for Artest and perform some kind of Frankenstein operation giving Artest half of Coach Turners brain? Im up for it. Anybody else?

 

[HndsmCelt]

SAR rebounded like Darius last year (10.1 per 48 to Darius 9.9 per 48) and was outblocked by Cat Mobley. (0.49 to 0.48).

Brad got squished like a bug against every Tom, Dick and Joel Pryzbilla in the league last year and should be receiving royalty checks from Joel, Chris Kaman, Jerome James, and a host of others who are going to get very rich off him.

Bibby is...Bibby. When we're talking defense, that's not a good thing.

Peja...well, we've talked about Peja ad nauseam on here. My line is always that he's been an above average individual defender but an atrocious help defender. Just this week we ahd that deep statitical survey pop up on 82games.com alleging that Peja has ranked as the 2nd worst defensive SF in the league for the last three years. Not sure whther I believe its that bad or not, but I consider it a possibility that the combination of wussy help defense and pisspoor rebounding means that his team really suffers defensively for his presence despite his one on one competence.

Bonzi is somewhat better on defense than I think you give him credit for. Not a stopper, but tough, physical, a ballhawk.

You take all of that together and you have to squint real hard to see everybody's better defensive angels miraculously climbing atop the dung heap and combining to form...a mediocre defensive team. Which is again why I really think we need a defensive leader to lead and inspire. A new Doug basically, although he doesn't have to play anything like Doug (for our team, a shotblocker is the logical choice). Just somebody who will make the rest of these softies feel guilty when they get blown by and wuss out, and somebody who can give them confidence on that end of the floor.

Your assesments of SAR and Brad's perfprmance last year is dead on, but I think their careers are a little better than that. But in the end the sum total of the Kings defense is at BEST mediocre... a defensive leader MIGHT inspire more from them, but I honestly think that simple PRACTICE will go a lot farther. Again I stress that I am NOT very optimistic about this batch on defense, but I am trying to not be too negative untill we see them play together a while.

 

[bigbadred00]

SAR rebounded like Darius last year (10.1 per 48 to Darius 9.9 per 48) and was outblocked by Cat Mobley. (0.49 to 0.48).

Brad got squished like a bug against every Tom, Dick and Joel Pryzbilla in the league last year and should be receiving royalty checks from Joel, Chris Kaman, Jerome James, and a host of others who are going to get very rich off him.

Bibby is...Bibby. When we're talking defense, that's not a good thing.

Peja...well, we've talked about Peja ad nauseam on here. My line is always that he's been an above average individual defender but an atrocious help defender. Just this week we ahd that deep statitical survey pop up on 82games.com alleging that Peja has ranked as the 2nd worst defensive SF in the league for the last three years. Not sure whther I believe its that bad or not, but I consider it a possibility that the combination of wussy help defense and pisspoor rebounding means that his team really suffers defensively for his presence despite his one on one competence.

Bonzi is somewhat better on defense than I think you give him credit for. Not a stopper, but tough, physical, a ballhawk.

You take all of that together and you have to squint real hard to see everybody's better defensive angels miraculously climbing atop the dung heap and combining to form...a mediocre defensive team. Which is again why I really think we need a defensive leader to lead and inspire. A new Doug basically, although he doesn't have to play anything like Doug (for our team, a shotblocker is the logical choice). Just somebody who will make the rest of these softies feel guilty when they get blown by and wuss out, and somebody who can give them confidence on that end of the floor.

As an avid Fantasy basketball fan, Joel Przybilla started killing a lot of teams. As a former top 10 pick a couple years back from the Bucks, he finally started playing much better last year. Yes he had very good games against the kings. With not many minutes he's not very consistant but with Ratliff out and Randolph out as well, in minutes the guy performed. I know the Kings make some bad players look great, but Joel turned out to be a pretty good player last year. Guy averaged around 10/10 and 3.5 blocks per game over the last 2 months. He's definitely a guy we could use. Top 10 in Rebs/48 and Top 10 in Blocks/48, not bad for a former scrub.

 

[VF21]

How about you quit bringing it up and it will all stop?

 

[VF21]

You take all of that together and you have to squint real hard to see everybody's better defensive angels miraculously climbing atop the dung heap and combining to form...a mediocre defensive team. Which is again why I really think we need a defensive leader to lead and inspire. A new Doug basically, although he doesn't have to play anything like Doug (for our team, a shotblocker is the logical choice). Just somebody who will make the rest of these softies feel guilty when they get blown by and wuss out, and somebody who can give them confidence on that end of the floor.

While I would love to see that happen, history would tend to indicate otherwise. Apparently, getting blown by and wussed out doesn't bother some guys at all. Luckily, on the other hand, MOST of the players who have experienced that are gone. The remaining few, hopefully, will have at least SOME reason - be it contract year, pride, determination, whatever - that gives them at least a modicum of motivation.