Dealing JT

Amen. I think it's much more likely that Cousins renders Landry's offense expendable before Whiteside does the same for Dalembert's defense. Either way, though, I see our big man rotation this year as Landry/Dalembert/Cousins/JT and, in a couple years from now, Cousins/JT/Whiteside/?. Cousins and JT are the constants, and the question is, who do we retain as the placeholder in between. The best course of action might be to trade Carl while we can get something good for him, and see if we can keep Sammy D at something like 3 years/$25-30 million until Whiteside is ready. Or, if Cousins is ready right away for 30+ minutes/game and playing him and Dalembert together doesn't work, it might not be. Either way, trading JT doesn't make the most sense until we know who we're keeping next summer.

I really don't see Cousins and Dalembert in the same lineup, unless the Kings are playing a pretty unathletic frontcourt so Cousins (presumably at pf) wouldn't get exploited defensively. Last thing I read, Westphal didn't seem too high on the idea either.
 
I really don't see Cousins and Dalembert in the same lineup, unless the Kings are playing a pretty unathletic frontcourt so Cousins (presumably at pf) wouldn't get exploited defensively. Last thing I read, Westphal didn't seem too high on the idea either.

The only teams I can think of off hand that a cousins/Dalembert front court might work against is Houston (Yao & Scola) and the Lakers (Gasol & Bynum). Against most other teams it would tend to create bad defensive matchups for the Kings instead of the other way around.
 
The only teams I can think of off hand that a cousins/Dalembert front court might work against is Houston (Yao & Scola) and the Lakers (Gasol & Bynum). Against most other teams it would tend to create bad defensive matchups for the Kings instead of the other way around.

You'd only need them to play together for about 20-24 min/game or so. I think you could get away with that easily against the teams you mentioned, as well as the Spurs (Duncan/Splitter), Boston (KG/Perkins or Shaq), Philly (Hawes/Brand), Memphis (Gasol/Randolph), Utah (Jefferson/Okur), Minnesota (Love/Darko)... possibly Portland (LMA/Oden/Camby), New Jersey (Lopez/Murphy) and New Orleans (Okafor/West), at times, as well as when Orlando puts Gortat and Howard together out there. Not impossible to think about. But we'll have to wait and see how it looks on the court.
 
if we dealing JT we better be getting a legit young big back.JTs double double material.. Landry and daly are in contract years so We need to hold onto jason.
 
SOMEBODY is going to lose out on our frontline. Its unfortunate, but there is just no way we can keep 5 talented guys there all happy. I still haven't figured out just who its going to be yet with everybody bringing a distinct portfolio. If we could just merge 2 or 3 of them together we'd have a heckuva player. A Dalembert/Cousins/Carl Thompside trio would be almost perfect. As itr is I am really not terribly worried about JT breaking out in a huge way, whether for us or anybody else. But he's a big handy player (and the big should not be undersold -- big is good, and makes him a strong backup 4/5 candidate ala a Varejao type), and maybe the most all around meat and potatoes solid of the 5 guys up front. And the x-factor with him is just his seeming pos.ition as a core member of our young guys -- friends with all the young guys, seems to be a bit of a leader amongst them, and in general his loss might be felt in more ways than just on the court.

We only have Sammy D locked in for a year and Cousins should be able play the 5 by then.. Whiteside isn't ready to contribute much yet..he will get solid minutes backing up both the 4 and 5
 
We only have Sammy D locked in for a year and Cousins should be able play the 5 by then.. Whiteside isn't ready to contribute much yet..he will get solid minutes backing up both the 4 and 5

Dalembert was not a random acquisition though -- that was targeted to fix a major hole. That's what makes this so complex. Everybody has separate reasons to be here, nobody is truly a spare anything. We needed a post player, so we got Landry, We needed a shotblocker/rebounder so we got Dalemmbert. Then we get lucky on draft night and boom, add two extremely talented near-7 footers, one an offensive prodigy, the other a defensive prodigy. If anybody is "spare" I guess it could really be JT as the holdover who's good at several things but not dominant at anything, but rather than "spare" he feels more like "glue" and "versatility". Its one of the most talented frontcourts in the NBA now taken as a whole, but the talent is balkanized. No matter who loses out and gets moved, its going to open a hole in his area of expertise. The only potential duplication could come with quick development of Whiteside to match Daly, but there first of all while he may be the shotblocker, he is miles and miles away from being able to be in Daly's league as a rebounder, and of course that particular skill (shotblocking) is a more the merrier skill. No reason to only have one if you can have two.
 
Dalembert was not a random acquisition though -- that was targeted to fix a major hole. That's what makes this so complex. Everybody has separate reasons to be here, nobody is truly a spare anything. We needed a post player, so we got Landry, We needed a shotblocker/rebounder so we got Dalemmbert. Then we get lucky on draft night and boom, add two extremely talented near-7 footers, one an offensive prodigy, the other a defensive prodigy. If anybody is "spare" I guess it could really be JT as the holdover who's good at several things but not dominant at anything, but rather than "spare" he feels more like "glue" and "versatility". Its one of the most talented frontcourts in the NBA now taken as a whole, but the talent is balkanized. No matter who loses out and gets moved, its going to open a hole in his area of expertise. The only potential duplication could come with quick development of Whiteside to match Daly, but there first of all while he may be the shotblocker, he is miles and miles away from being able to be in Daly's league as a rebounder, and of course that particular skill (shotblocking) is a more the merrier skill. No reason to only have one if you can have two.

I can't argue with anything you said. Apparently the Kings had tried to aquire Dalembert before, so his aquisition is more than just wanting an expiring contract. It could end up being that, but if the fit is right, I think they'll try and resign him at years end. If they decide to keep Landry as well, then I can see Thompson being the odd man out. The problem is, that he's probably the most versatile big man we have. Which makes him valuable. He also appears to be emerging as a leader. Which is why I see Landry being the trading chip prior to the trade deadline. Its a nice problem to have, and being greedy, I'd like to keep all five of them. They say competition brings out the best, so we'll see. It should be fun to watch..
 
Dalembert was not a random acquisition though -- that was targeted to fix a major hole. That's what makes this so complex. Everybody has separate reasons to be here, nobody is truly a spare anything. We needed a post player, so we got Landry, We needed a shotblocker/rebounder so we got Dalemmbert. Then we get lucky on draft night and boom, add two extremely talented near-7 footers, one an offensive prodigy, the other a defensive prodigy. If anybody is "spare" I guess it could really be JT as the holdover who's good at several things but not dominant at anything, but rather than "spare" he feels more like "glue" and "versatility". Its one of the most talented frontcourts in the NBA now taken as a whole, but the talent is balkanized. No matter who loses out and gets moved, its going to open a hole in his area of expertise. The only potential duplication could come with quick development of Whiteside to match Daly, but there first of all while he may be the shotblocker, he is miles and miles away from being able to be in Daly's league as a rebounder, and of course that particular skill (shotblocking) is a more the merrier skill. No reason to only have one if you can have two.

Had to look up "balkanized". I can see now how you meant it, but the image of Thompson, Landry, Cousins, et al squabling in practice and sabotaging each other in the locker room still makes me chuckle.

They do all seem to fit well together as equally important parts of a whole; some offense here, some defense there. I would agree with bajaden that Landry seems like the most expendable piece of any of them. He's a great energy guy and a very good post scorer especially considering he's slightly undersized, but Cousins can probably contribute in the same areas that he does fairly soon and probably more efficiently as well. But what I really like about Landry more than anything is his toughness, which would be missed by any team. And then there's also the perception that letting Landry leave for nothing after this season would be like giving Kevin Martin away. That's not exactly true, we also lost the responsibility of paying Martin's contract for the next three years, but that's how some people will see it anyway. Whiteside probably won't be ready to provide what Dalembert does for a couple years at least making Dalembert harder to replace than Landry.
 
I can't argue with anything you said. Apparently the Kings had tried to aquire Dalembert before, so his aquisition is more than just wanting an expiring contract. It could end up being that, but if the fit is right, I think they'll try and resign him at years end.

And yet...

Dally came here because he wanted more minutes and touches than he was getting in Philly (25.9 mpg, 6.4 FGA per game). And, at the end of the year, he's going to be wanting another contract, probably not too far off from what he's getting now, and probably for 4-5 years. Unless the new CBA looks to change things in a very big way, we might have to choose between resigning Dally and being able to retain some of our best kids as they finish their rookie contracts.

I see it as kind of a mess, although not in a very bad way. I think that the FO solved a lot of our worst problems by getting Landry and Dalembert, then jumped on an (incompatible) opportunity that was just too good to turn down -- Cousins + Whiteside. I don't think they had a real plan on how to deal with the logjam, and I'm not sure that they do now. Depending on how our rookies do, and what educated guesses about the new CBA are like, I wouldn't be surprised to see either or both of Landry/Dally gone before the trade deadline.
 
And yet...

Dally came here because he wanted more minutes and touches than he was getting in Philly (25.9 mpg, 6.4 FGA per game). And, at the end of the year, he's going to be wanting another contract, probably not too far off from what he's getting now, and probably for 4-5 years. Unless the new CBA looks to change things in a very big way, we might have to choose between resigning Dally and being able to retain some of our best kids as they finish their rookie contracts.

I see it as kind of a mess, although not in a very bad way. I think that the FO solved a lot of our worst problems by getting Landry and Dalembert, then jumped on an (incompatible) opportunity that was just too good to turn down -- Cousins + Whiteside. I don't think they had a real plan on how to deal with the logjam, and I'm not sure that they do now. Depending on how our rookies do, and what educated guesses about the new CBA are like, I wouldn't be surprised to see either or both of Landry/Dally gone before the trade deadline.

You make some good points, and I could see things going in a lot of different directions. As you stated, we don't know what the new CBA will contain, and therefore its difficult to really know what can and can't be done. However, we have had a glimpse of what the owners are asking for, and if we were to assume that they'll get what they want, its possible that we might be able to resign Dalembert for a considerably reduced price.

But thats pure speculation on my part. Regardless of the CBA, its unlikely that Dalembert will have anyone offering him another contract for 12 mil a year. If there is someone willing, then I wish him goodbye and Gods speed. So that aside, it may come down to whether he's happy here or not. From everything I've read about him, and its considerable, he was a fairly happy camper until Speights showed up and started taking his minutes. If thats true, then his unhappiness is more about minutes than FGA's because his attempts per 48 have stayed pretty consistant.

I think he felt slighted by having a rookie come in and take his minutes, more than how many shots he was taking. If so, then the question is, how many minutes will keep him happy, and how do we get him the minutes, and at whose expense. Of course if he doesn't bring the defense the Kings need or doesn't fit in well with the team, then its all a moot point. But I can't really argue in the abstract, so I'm going to assume that he will fit in. And if so, then I see the real battle for minutes coming from Thompson and Landry. Simply because the easiest way to get Dalembert more minutes is by playing him on the floor with Cousins for 5 to 6 minutes a game. And that 5 or 6 minutes would have to come from either Thompson or Landry.

As far as who is the obvious choice to go before the trade deadline? Well once again there are a lot of unknowns. What if the Kings are seriously in the playoff hunt? Do you dare gamble with the chemistry of the team and trade either Landry, my personal choice to go first, or Dalembert? Probably not! But if not, and you have no intention of resigning one of them, then that player walks at seasons end and you get nothing in return. Of course, if it looks as though were out of the playoff race, then I think you have to move whoever it is thats not considered part of the Kings future.

You called a mess, and thats a good way of putting it. Because in fact, it is sort of a mess. A nice mess, but a mess none the less. Its sort of like having a project with enough investors, and suddenly you have a couple more investors show up and want a part of the project. Now you have more money than you need and have to figure out how to put it all to good use without hurting the project, or dramaticly changing the direction of the project. Nice problem to have..
 
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