David Aldridge's Cousins take and trade

There are no "sources" here; just a fella with a laptop.
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Yeah, that's obvious.

To save everybody else the trouble and disgust of reading it, Aldridge in his benevolent omnipotence has decided that the Kings need to reboot once again. (Obviously he's not a Kings fan, as those of us who ARE Kings fans are PRETTY DARN SICK OF REBUILDING AND ARE READY TO JUST WIN SOME GAMES ALREADY.)

In his efforts to make the Celtics a championship contender once again, Aldridge suggests that we embark on a three-way with Boston and Philly, sending out Cousins and Collison (so's we can give Seth Curry a chance !!!) and a second round pick (because, like, every trade proposal has to include a second round pick) to get ... wait for it ... David Lee, Kelly Olynyk, Dallas' 2016, Boston's 2018, and draft rights we sent to Philly with Nik and Landry that Aldridge doesn't even have correct.

Please note that while Dallas' pick may be worth something, the Boston (w/Cousins) pick is worth nothing, and our draft rights we sent to Philly (which Aldridge has confused, conflating the 2016 and 2017 options to swap and the 2018/2019 outright into a protected 2016 and a 2017/2018 right to swap -- so it's 100% unclear what he really thinks we're getting back, but it appears he thinks we're getting the right-to-swap back)...our draft rights we sent to Philly wouldn't be worth anything unless we DID this stupid deal.

Let me reiterate: David Aldridge thinks that we should send Cousins and Collison away to get the great blonde beast that is Kelly Olynyk, one year of David Lee, one pick that MIGHT be good, a crappy pick, and (mistakenly) the right to not have to swap picks with Philly.

I can't even.

I mean.

THIS MAN IS A NATIONAL SPORTSWRITER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!
 
If we're trading one of the three best players in the NBA to the Celtics (we aren't, by the way), the talks start at the Nets' pick next season plus Marcus Smart and a couple more firsts.

I realize the national media desperately wants the Celtics to assemble another superteam but doing that without trading away arguably their biggest asset is laughable at the very least and honestly offends the intelligence of the collective Kings fanbase.
 
what an embarrassing display from aldridge. it's fine for the national media to want a superstar like demarcus cousins in boston, but the lengths to which so many writers will go in trying to engineer a trade scenario that sends cousins to the celtics is laughable, especially considering how often these "sports journalists" are excluding the likes of marcus smart and avery bradley from said scenarios, as if the kings will surrender a top-five talent for nothing more than half-pennies on the dollar...
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Let me reiterate: David Aldridge thinks that we should send Cousins and Collison away to get the great blonde beast that is Kelly Olynyk, one year of David Lee, one pick that MIGHT be good, a crappy pick, and (mistakenly) the right to not have to swap picks with Philly.

I can't even.

I mean.

THIS MAN IS A NATIONAL SPORTSWRITER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?!?!?!
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This is one of the worst trades I've seen... And let's not forget that the Dallas pick, which is the most meaningful thing in this package, is 1-7 protected all the way to 2020 (becomes unprotectd at 2021).

And what's with the fixation on Boston? there are a lot of never-will-happen trades about Cousins to be made!
 
It is so, SO, good that that man does not allow comments on his columns. I could email him, but I'm afraid some of his previous work has already caused me to inform him of my opinion of his acumen.
 
Yeah as someone who isn't completely against the idea of trading Cousins if we don't win this year I have to say these kinds of trades are ridiculous. You trade Cousins you better be getting a prime multiple time all star back.
 
Why is it always yo the Celtics? I suspect it's the Bill Simmons effect. He's talked about it so much and fed the narrative that people treat it as though the actual organizations are discussing the idea. It's just Simmons pipe dream. Aldridge not smart enough to realize where the rumors originated.
 
Celtics people all want DMC in green... they just can't do it. Oh, well... can't blame them for wanting the best big man in the league.
 
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I spent several minutes looking at Aldridge's proposal before I finally figured out what the overall deal was for the Kings. Capt already beat me to breaking it down but simply put it works out to this:

The Kings trade:
DeMarcus Cousins
Darren Collison
and a 2nd round pick

The Kings receive:
2016 Dallas first rounder
2018 Boston first rounder
Kelly Olynyk
David Lee
The Kings protected pick they sent to Philly

The Mavs are 7-4 this season. They won't be one of the worst teams in the league. And if they finish even 39-43 that'd likely be enough to put them around where the Suns were last season s0 around the 12-14th pick. Two years later you'd have the draft pick of a Boston team led by an in-his-prime Cousins. Barring injury I can't imagine that's anything other than a late lottery or mid-range pick. And it's three years out. Probably the most valuable thing the Kings would get out of that trade would be their own first rounder back since we've seen that the Kings without Boogie are awful.

No way Rondo re-signs at that point and Gay would be looking to get out too.

Perhaps the dumbest part of the whole deal is that the Philly pick swaps that everyone hammered Vlade on are meaningless if the Kings are better than the Sixers. But if they trade Cousins then it's VERY likely that in the second year of swaps the Kings are worse than Philly which just rubs salt in the wound.

How on earth is giving up the Kings best and 3rd or 4th best players for Olynyk, Lee's contract and two likely 13-18 draft picks in 2016 and 2018 a deal that's "good for everybody"?

5 more years of tanking? For what?

It's one of the dumber things I've ever seen written about the Kings and I've seen a lot of dumb things. I actually respect David Aldridge as an NBA writer which makes it all the more flabbergasting.

Is the only point here to get rid of Cousins? Because from where I sit I find it strange that if he's such a franchise crippling, coach killing, locker room cancer off the floor and such a horrible attitude, inefficient scorer on the floor that every team seemingly wants to trade for the guy.
 
I remembered reading this two days ago, it says that the Celtics and Kings have never even discussed a trade because Boston brass thought the asking price was too high.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...f_demarcus_cousins_seem_too_steep_for_celtics

Supposedly they knew what kind of deal the Kings wanted based on the purported Lakers trade.

Added a general manager from the West, “Leaving his problems out of it for a second, there’s no question the kid is good. But they’ve had him way overpriced. I don’t even want to think about what they’d want from Boston.

“You know what they asked the Lakers for? The No. 2 (overall) pick last draft, the one the Lakers used on DeAngelo Russell, and the Lakers’ top pick from the year before, (Julius) Randle.

“Do you believe that?”
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Yes, yes I do believe that.

And it underscores the stupidity of Aldridge's proposal and ALL of these proposals that have teams trading an all-star for draft picks. Very few draft picks are sure things.

Sometimes the guy going #1 is truly can't miss, injuries not withstanding. Magic. Olajuwon. Shaq. Duncan. LeBron Blake Griffin. But that's why those picks weren't being shopped. The Bucks offered a huge package to the Spurs to move up to get Duncan and San Antonio probably never even considered the deal.

So you end up dealing a known quantity for a chance to gamble. Do you think the Sonics/Thunder would like to have back the Jeff Green for Ray Allen deal? Think the Warriors regret trading Mitch Richmond for the chance to draft Billy Owens?

Love for Wiggins and change looks like it will work out well for both sides but how often does that happen? And what are the odds of the Kings getting a player of Wiggins caliber with Dallas' 2016 pick or Boston's 2018 pick?

Despite my hatred for the Lakers, Randle is a really nice young player. He's got to adjust a bit from his bully ball style, develop a right hand and get much more efficient with his midrange jumpers, but I see him as becoming a player to similar to Antawn Jamison with a bit of poor-man's Zach Randolph thrown in. He'll never be a defensive anchor (so you'd need to pair him with one) but he'll be a good rebounder and nice secondary option. Pretty much what we hoped Thomas Robinson could be after the Kings drafted him.

D'Angelo Russell on the other hand may not become much of anything. Great passing instincts and a great shooter in college that hasn't translated to the pros but he's really struggling because he doesn't have either the strength or the athleticism to create space. He's shooting 39% from the floor, 31% from three (not completely awful especially compared to Mudiay, Payton etc, but not good for a guy who had great shooting as one of his calling cards) and he's only averaging 2.4 assists per game. It may all come together for him and I think he could eventually be a contributor on a good team. But I think it's very unlikely he's a star or a super star. Even Lakers fans are coming around the fact that they don't have "the next Magic Johnson" and are now just hoping he becomes a good player.

Would the Kings future be any brighter with Randle and Russell vs a 25 year old Cousins? I honestly don't think so.

Would the Kings future be any brighter with Olynyk, and two mid first round picks? Absolutely not.
 
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^ I agree with you funkykingston, if Cousins is so debilitating to a franchise, why does everyone want him?
 
“You know what they asked the Lakers for? The No. 2 (overall) pick last draft, the one the Lakers used on DeAngelo Russell, and the Lakers’ top pick from the year before, (Julius) Randle.

“Do you believe that?”
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No. They should have asked for much, much more.

I don't for one second believe the Kings would have seriously considered that deal. It's laughable that this joker thought it was too much.
 
What a joke proposal.. I'd start at Cousins for Nets 1st rounder AND Marcus Smart. This is only my starting point. What a damn insulting offer proposed by Aldridge.

Not to mention, we give up Darren Collison so we can get in return, a washed up David Lee and the shoulder killer?

Garbage, I doubt Boston fans even propose something this dumb either.
 
I just saw a video on ESPN wherein they proclaim Andre Drummond as the best center in the NBA. I really hope they are considering Big Cuz a PF when they make that statement otherwise ... well ... nevermind -- it's ESPN afterall.
 
Drummond is a great rebounder, but honestly, imagine Cousins next to a bunch of guys not even looking to defensive rebound. Cuz has to fight Koufos, Willie, Gay, Omri, and Rondo for boards. He'd be up around 16-17 easy on that squad.
 
funkykingston said:
I spent several minutes looking at Aldridge's proposal before I finally figured out what the overall deal was for the Kings. Capt already beat me to breaking it down but simply put it works out to this:

The Kings trade:
DeMarcus Cousins
Darren Collison
and a 2nd round pick

The Kings receive:
2016 Dallas first rounder
2018 Boston first rounder
Kelly Olynyk
David Lee
The Kings protected pick they sent to Philly

The Mavs are 7-4 this season. They won't be one of the worst teams in the league. And if they finish even 39-43 that'd likely be enough to put them around where the Suns were last season s0 around the 12-14th pick. Two years later you'd have the draft pick of a Boston team led by an in-his-prime Cousins. Barring injury I can't imagine that's anything other than a late lottery or mid-range pick. And it's three years out. Probably the most valuable thing the Kings would get out of that trade would be their own first rounder back since we've seen that the Kings without Boogie are awful.

No way Rondo re-signs at that point and Gay would be looking to get out too.

Perhaps the dumbest part of the whole deal is that the Philly pick swaps that everyone hammered Vlade on are meaningless if the Kings are better than the Sixers. But if they trade Cousins then it's VERY likely that in the second year of swaps the Kings are worse than Philly which just rubs salt in the wound.

How on earth is giving up the Kings best and 3rd or 4th best players for Olynyk, Lee's contract and two likely 13-18 draft picks in 2016 and 2018 a deal that's "good for everybody"?

5 more years of tanking? For what?

It's one of the dumber things I've ever seen written about the Kings and I've seen a lot of dumb things. I actually respect David Aldridge as an NBA writer which makes it all the more flabbergasting.

Is the only point here to get rid of Cousins? Because from where I sit I find it strange that if he's such a franchise crippling, coach killing, locker room cancer off the floor and such a horrible attitude, inefficient scorer on the floor that every team seemingly wants to trade for the guy.
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Perfectly written. Please email this to him!
 
mac said:
Yeah as someone who isn't completely against the idea of trading Cousins if we don't win this year I have to say these kinds of trades are ridiculous. You trade Cousins you better be getting a prime multiple time all star back.
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well, no. if you're trading Cousins, you're waving goodbye to winning now, so you're either shooting for more picks or a really young talent (Wiggins-ish). trading him for, let's say Pau Gasol, would somewhat counter productive. I mean, I wouldn't trade a 25-year old top10 guy anyway, unless somebody offers a younger top10 or a slightly older top5 guy, but that's beside the point.
 
jalfa said:
well, no. if you're trading Cousins, you're waving goodbye to winning now, so you're either shooting for more picks or a really young talent (Wiggins-ish). trading him for, let's say Pau Gasol, would somewhat counter productive. I mean, I wouldn't trade a 25-year old top10 guy anyway, unless somebody offers a younger top10 or a slightly older top5 guy, but that's beside the point.
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I'd hardly call Gasol a "prime multiple time all star". I mean like a Kevin Durant/ John Wall/ Steph Curry/ Westbrook/ Anthony Davis/ Kawhi Leonard/ Paul George sort of player. Some of those guys may not be multiple-time all stars yet, but they will be. If OKC has another underperforming season or two I can see them being open to moving Westbrook/ Durant (assuming he stays and whatnot). I don't see how trading Cousins necessitates giving up on winning now (as if we're even winning now to begin with, lol). It's possible to have a star-for-star trade. Uncommon, but possible. But yes, agree that if you do intend on not competing straight away then you go for the top players of the recent drafts or more picks. At the end of the day, you look to assemble the best TEAM you can. That may or may not include Cousins, depending on how able the other players are to complement him. Thus far whatever we've thrown at it hasn't been able to stick for various reasons (talent, system etc.).
 
mac said:
I'd hardly call Gasol a "prime multiple time all star". I mean like a Kevin Durant/ John Wall/ Steph Curry/ Westbrook/ Anthony Davis/ Kawhi Leonard/ Paul George sort of player. Some of those guys may not be multiple-time all stars yet, but they will be. If OKC has another underperforming season or two I can see them being open to moving Westbrook/ Durant (assuming he stays and whatnot). I don't see how trading Cousins necessitates giving up on winning now (as if we're even winning now to begin with, lol). It's possible to have a star-for-star trade. Uncommon, but possible. But yes, agree that if you do intend on not competing straight away then you go for the top players of the recent drafts or more picks. At the end of the day, you look to assemble the best TEAM you can. That may or may not include Cousins, depending on how able the other players are to complement him. Thus far whatever we've thrown at it hasn't been able to stick for various reasons (talent, system etc.).
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okay, misread your post, but: star for star? when did that happen last? especially with a player of this magnitude. last instance I could think of where it was somewhat star for star is Steve Francis for Tracy McGrady. maybe Dwight Howard for Andrew Bynum (considering perspectives from back then).
 
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