Dalembert

[bajaden]

Yea, I was more talking to the poster who said that this deal would help convince Cousins we are serious. I just feel that if this deal would sway us one way or another, it would be towards Monroe. But your right, a trade you make for a guy under contract for 1 year shouldnt have an effect on who you draft long term.

I will say, the thought of Landry and Dalembert on the court together could be effective. When Landry struggled last season, it was because we didnt have a big who could take the pressure off him on D. Now we have that.

A part of me is wondering if were going to try and pull a Celtics here. I would HATE it, but say we make the Prince deal, Does a team of Dalembert, Landry, Prince, Garcia, Evans make the playoffs? Probly not. Really good defensive team though. Makes you wonder what our plans are.

I'll admit Im a little upset about seeing Hawes go. I still think he can play. He was still so young.

I followed Hawes closely in his one year at Stanford. I was on his bandwagon when we drafted him, so there's a part of me that wanted to see the final outcome here. At the same time, right now he still has that upside fantasy value around the league because of his youth and limited service in the league. So your taking a gamble. You wait one more year and perhaps he has less value and your still eating Nocioni's contract. Or in one more year the light goes on in his head and he has more value. Tough call and I think you just have to go with your gut on this one. As Bill Walsh said, Its better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late..

 

[bajaden]

Hawes can play, but I just can't trust a player with a life long history of knee injuries to be our center of the future.

Mr. Gibbons. Hawes had one knee injury and has no problem since. At least related to that knee. So I think this is less about his knee and more about his play. Or future play.

 

[funkykingston]

I followed Hawes closely in his one year at Stanford.

Did he play better there than at Washington? Because he looked pretty good at UW too.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Did he play better there than at Washington? Because he looked pretty good at UW too.

He played terribly his one game at Stanford against the Lopez twins, if that's what you're wondering .

Although Baja's not far off--Hawes apparently did come pretty close to coming to The Farm before deciding to go to his hometown school. Makes me drool thinking what a Hawes and Lopez Twin frontcourt could have done in the Pac-10.

 

[bajaden]

This is a little statistical info that I stole from another site. Saved me the time and trouble.. This info is from Synergy.com.

About 15 percent of each center's defensive possessions came in isolation. In those opportunities, Dalembert allowed his opponent to score 0.7 points per possession, shooting 29 percent from the floor and drawing a foul on 8 percent of the plays. Hawes allowed his opponent to score 0.96 points per possession, shooting 45 percent and drawing a foul on 12 percent of the plays. Dalembert caused a turnover on 9 percent of iso possessions; Hawes just 1 percent.
Roughly 30 percent of Dalembert's defensive possessions and 25 percent of Hawes' came in spot-up situations, where the opposing center or forward received a pass and shot before taking a dribble. Dalembert allowed opponents to 0.98 points per possession on these, while Hawes allowed 0.85 ppp. Opponents shot 43 percent versus Dalembert and 37 percent against Hawes, and Dalembert allowed a greater rate of threes (42 percent vs. 31). Neither fouled much or caused many turnovers on this type of play.
Now, the big enchilada: post defense.
Post-up plays constituted 40 percent of Dalembert's defensive possessions, and 45 percent of Hawes'. Dalembert allowed opponents to score 0.87 points per possession. Hawes allowed 0.97 ppp. Dalembert fouled more frequently but forced almost twice as many turnovers, and held opponents to 43.7 percent shooting in the post vs. 48.4 percent for Hawes.
So Hawes does a better job closing out on shooters than Dalembert, but Sam is vastly superior (according to the data) working one-on-one off the dribble or in the low post, and has performed signficantly better on defense overall. This doesn't figure in his defensive rebounding (which is elite) and team defense (which is where most of his blocks come into play).
Once again, this is a massive defensive upgrade.

 

[funkykingston]

The issue with Hawes was that the Kings were either going to let him go or decide to give him a substantial deal after next season. And that would be a gamble since IF he is going to really develop it won't be for another three years or so.

But for me, the biggest thing with Hawes is just not seeing a competitive fire. I remember Bynum's rookie year when Shaq dunked on the kid. HARD. Bynum ran the floor, posted up and called for the ball. And when he got it he put a spin move on Shaq and dunked it. On the way up the court he even gave Shaq a bump which led to O'Neal throwing a forearm and technicals.

You don't really condone the extra bump that led to Shaq's retaliation and the technicals, but what you love is the fire and toughness.

Spencer may develop into a very "skilled" center. He could even be pretty good post scorer if he gets stronger, more patient and more experienced since he has the moves and potential. But what he's missing is the mindset and attitude to be more than a role player in the NBA.

We'll see.

 

[bajaden]

Did he play better there than at Washington? Because he looked pretty good at UW too.

My error. I watch too many games. Was remembering the Lopez/Hawes matchup at Stanford. My apologies for the slip.

 

[bajaden]

He played terribly his one game at Stanford against the Lopez twins, if that's what you're wondering .

Although Baja's not far off--Hawes apparently did come pretty close to coming to The Farm before deciding to go to his hometown school. Makes me drool thinking what a Hawes and Lopez Twin frontcourt could have done in the Pac-10.

Hawes played a lot better in the rematch at Washington, which got my attention.. Maybe even then there was a hint of inconsistancy..

 

[Smills91]

I don't know...to me this looks like a move saying we WONT draft cousins...

How do you figure. Sammy D is 29 going on 30 and on an expiring deal. We got a player to help take pressure off a rookie Center. WE moved away the only long term competition that a rookie center would have on our roster. This is VERY indicative that we're looking at either Cousins or Monroe at #5. In fact, I'll guarantee one of those 2 as our pick at #5.

 

[Smills91]

The only way I see the Princess deal now is for Garcia.

REally? You think so? 3 SF's and ZERO SG's?

Doubtful , at best.

 

[Sparky6string]

You don't really condone the extra bump that led to Shaq's retaliation and the technicals, but what you love is the fire and toughness.

Oh I'll condone more than that. I wouldn't go looking for front line help at a peace rally- not looking for Reggie Evans but he better be tough dammit.

 

[Bricklayer]

REally? You think so? 3 SF's and ZERO SG's?

Doubtful , at best.

We could conceivably do it just to escape the long term contract. There seems to be a plan in place to maybe free up cap room for next offseason, although who knows if we even get to have a 2011-2012 season wiht the lockout looming.

 

[SacTownKid]

I think the Kings are going hold onto Garcia. He is a great teammate and he fits. I think the deal Petrie signed him to is very indicative of how he values Cisco.

 

[KingsCitizen]

With Dalembert in, how about getting Amare this offseason now that the SUNS seems to be restructuring with Kerr stepping down. Amare was a beast in the Playoffs and with Reke, Dalembert(even if he leaves 13M unloaded salary will be enough to sign another star), and probably Cousins(hope we pick him), Kings can be in the playoffs for several seasons again.

 

[Bricklayer]

With Dalembert in, how about getting Amare this offseason now that the SUNS seems to be restructuring with Kerr stepping down. Amare was a beast in the Playoffs and with Reke, Dalembert(even if he leaves 13M unloaded salary will be enough to sign another star), and probably Cousins(hope we pick him), Kings can be in the playoffs for several seasons again.

this is similar to the Boozer idea, with similar up and downsides

 

[Nighthawk1]

I don't know.... I think I would personally rather aggressively pursue Blatche over Lee/Amar'e/Bosh/Boozer... I'm not sure what it would take to pry him away from Wizards but I like his game, and feel he can grow with us... He's also not allergic to defense or intimidated. Good shooter and post player. Did I mention he's also young? It might be an option if Cousins and Favors are gone. I would have to think of a proper deal to which they'd actually want to trade him away... maybe a JT + 33 I don't know...

 

[Chupacabra]

I don't know.... I think I would personally rather aggressively pursue Blatche over Lee/Amar'e/Bosh/Boozer... I'm not sure what it would take to pry him away from Wizards but I like his game, and feel he can grow with us... He's also not allergic to defense or intimidated. Good shooter and post player. Did I mention he's also young? It might be an option if Cousins and Favors are gone. I would have to think of a proper deal to which they'd actually want to trade him away... maybe a JT + 33 I don't know...

It would take more than the Kings are willing to give up in order to pull off that trade. I somewhat like Blatches game. I understand what he does on offense is a valuable asset. Didnt he pull a Ricky Davis/Bobby Sura and manufacture a rebound for himself so he could get a triple double this past season? Hes worried about his stats. No thanks.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't know.... I think I would personally rather aggressively pursue Blatche over Lee/Amar'e/Bosh/Boozer... I'm not sure what it would take to pry him away from Wizards but I like his game, and feel he can grow with us... He's also not allergic to defense or intimidated. Good shooter and post player. Did I mention he's also young? It might be an option if Cousins and Favors are gone. I would have to think of a proper deal to which they'd actually want to trade him away... maybe a JT + 33 I don't know...

I've touted Blatche for years as a talented young big with major upside (although I in no way predicted the second half explosion this season) but he's always been markedly immature, and the hijinks the second half of this season threaten to firmly establish him as a selfish knucklehead. That could be a problematic figure to burn major assets and commit huge $$ to as some sort of pillar of your future team.

 

[Prince_XY]

It would take more than the Kings are willing to give up in order to pull off that trade. I somewhat like Blatches game. I understand what he does on offense is a valuable asset. Didnt he pull a Ricky Davis/Bobby Sura and manufacture a rebound for himself so he could get a triple double this past season? Hes worried about his stats. No thanks.

I kind of actually like this kind of player who desires getting triple-doubles and be great. Of course not at the expense of winning games.

 

[Smills91]

I think it's a pretty safe bet that Dalembert will be getting lots of minutes in Sac.

From SI:

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Which is EXACTLY why I DON'T like giving up on Hawes in this deal. You're telling me that had we waited 2 weeks and pulled the trigger of a straight up Noch for Daly or expanded it to be Noch/Hawes for Daly/Thad(after they select Turner there will be less playing time for him) or Speights.

Seriously. I love Daly the FIT, I HATE the value we used to make it happen.

We're 20 million under the cap, the Sixers were 5 million over the LUX tax and we didn't use our position of leverage to reap the rewards here, instead we incentivized them.

TERRIBLY executed IMO.

 

[Smills91]

this is similar to the Boozer idea, with similar up and downsides

I think Boozer is the better player and fit, honestly.

Boozer rebounds better, is a more willing and able passer and has a back to the basket game. In fact, his jump shot is a little better.

The only Amare is better at is finishing at the rim from having been set up from the best PG over the past 5 years.

I'd even argue that Boozer's defense is an upgrade to that of Amare(yes from pitiful to painful.).

Amare is one of the more over-rated players in the league IMO. If we targeted one of the two, I'd go for Boozer.

 

[Smills91]

We could conceivably do it just to escape the long term contract. There seems to be a plan in place to maybe free up cap room for next offseason, although who knows if we even get to have a 2011-2012 season wiht the lockout looming.

You do know the league has a minimum salary requirement, right?

 

[bajaden]

You do know the league has a minimum salary requirement, right?

I really doubt we'd have to worry about the minimum salary requirement. The Kings already have 23.2 mil committed to the 2011/2012 season. There's always the possibility that they resign Dalembert. But even if not, when you add in resigning Landry at lets say hopefully around 6 or 7 mil, and Brockman for 1.5 mil, and then throw in our first round and second round picks for this year and then our first and second round picks for the following year, I doubt we'll be under the league minimum. Especially when I think I'm being somewhat conservative in the amounts Landry and Brockman will demand.