Dalembert For $70 To $75 Million Dollars?

[captain bill]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36648/20050714/dalembert_for_$70_to_$75_million_dollars/

RealGM - A rumor floating around the internet supposedly of NY Post origins state that the buzz in Summer League: Las Vegas among GMs was that one of the top free-agent centers, Samuel Dalembert, verbally agreed on a $70M to $75M deal to stick with Philly.

According to the new CBA, if this is true, Dalembert (who's been a backup for a big part of his career), but is still one of those "potential" players, could be averaging about $12 Million in Yearly Salary at 10.5% Increases.

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There's more to this article, but it's broken up in pieces and I don't feel like pasting it all. (and it's really long) This article is dedicated to everyone out there who said stuff like "We can't go after a guy like Walker, let's get a Chandler/Dalembert/etc." This is exactly why I think we should go after anyone we can get- because there is no chance that we can pick up young big men with any sort of potential.

 

[NoBonus]

How much does Philly have between Dalembert, Webber, and AI? That's a lot of dough.

 

[Padrino]

70 to 75 million?! he's young, athletic, and talented (defensively), but is he really worth that much? damn...philly will seal their fate for a few years if they sign him to that much.

 

[jacobdrj]

Again, this illustrates my problem with a salary cap. I know many of you dissagree, esp U Brick , but this just seems a little extream for me. Do I think he is worth 75 mill? Well, if in fact Foyle, Cardinal, and Dampier are all worth the MLE, I would have to say yes. If those are just bloated contracts, than no

I like D, I really do. I think he has the evil P word, and I think he really cares. He seems to have motivation. I think he may be the next Theo Ratliff (when he was really good). But he is NOT worth a max deal. Rasheed and Hamilton are looking like shrewder and shrewder deals as the days go bye...

 

[VF21]

This is exactly why I think we should go after anyone we can get- because there is no chance that we can pick up young big men with any sort of potential.

And that's the kind of mindset that scares the dooty out of me.

If you can't get someone good, grab anybody?

I'd just as soon we kept what we have if our only option is to "go after anyone we can get". What we DON'T need are pieces that don't fit.

 

[Bricklayer]

I will wait to see this actually happen before I comment. An internet rumor based on the NY Post (itself unreliable and I certainly didn't note it) is a bit shaky for my tastes. Be just out of control if it did happen.


BTW jacobdrj, of what possible significance is the cap to this sort of deal? If ANYTHING a salary cap is suposed to deter this sort of stupidity, and will most certainly come back to haunt a team for being dumb. Only difference in a no-cap world is we could have the pleasure of watching NY and LA try to up the bidding to $100mil on Samuel.

 

[captain bill]

And that's the kind of mindset that scares the dooty out of me.

If you can't get someone good, grab anybody?

I'd just as soon we kept what we have if our only option is to "go after anyone we can get". What we DON'T need are pieces that don't fit.

No, if you can't get an elite player, or a great young talent, and are going to be over the salary cap anyway, try to pry some talent for what you've got rather than sitting on your hands and letting everything slip away- like Mobley. The Kings are in a unique position in that we can't get under the cap for the foreseeable future and have some players that we could trade to get something for. Instead, the Kings seem to be taking the advice of everyone on this board, looking at the best, most obvious "fits" for this team- a Dalembert, for example- and since we can't get them, we can't get anyone. So we're stuck with nothing, and that's what we're going to have for a long time if the team can't compromise. I'd rather have a 42 win, dysfunctional teams with some bad fits, but talented players who can be traded, than a 30 win team with zero talented players to move, but all good fits. That's what we're turning into- everyone fits 'the system,' but no one is good enough to make a great team and we can't make any moves as we watch all the elite players dissapear.

 

[VF21]

I thnk you're panicking a little too soon.

You have no idea what Petrie is working on or what he has planned. What makes you think he isn't going to "pry some talent" for what we have?

Geoff Petrie has NEVER made a habit of letting his negotations get into the media and I don't see any reason for that to change. You either trust Geoff Petrie or you don't. If you're hoping to read ahead of time what he has planned, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[captain bill]

You're right- I'm confident Petrie will get something done. I'm just very frustrated about Mobley leaving for nothing at this point. I also wanted to see Oberto in a Kings uni. Now it's time to wait some more.

 

[jacobdrj]

I will wait to see this actually happen before I comment. An internet rumor based on the NY Post (itself unreliable and I certainly didn't note it) is a bit shaky for my tastes. Be just out of control if it did happen.


BTW jacobdrj, of what possible significance is the cap to this sort of deal? If ANYTHING a salary cap is suposed to deter this sort of stupidity, and will most certainly come back to haunt a team for being dumb. Only difference in a no-cap world is we could have the pleasure of watching NY and LA try to up the bidding to $100mil on Samuel.

The way I see it, by having a "Maximum" level available, it throws off the aspect of the self balancing free market. With no salary cap, a player could be given an offer based on market conditions. If he is a good player in a position of high demand, a certain amount of money would be assesed to that person. The only way he gets more than "fair market value" is if a team is desperate to acquire him in a pace that he otherwise would not go to.

When you introduce the concept of a "Max" deal, and a set "MLE" and "VM", you have people, who are undeserving, even based on the market value, saying "You have 5 mill availabe for the MLE, I won't sign with you unless you offer me the whole thing" That comming from a pathetic player like Cardinal, who doesen't deserve more than 2.5 mill (IMHO). Not only that, but teams desperate to get a player that, due to location, is not a "prime target for FAs" like Utah, has ABSOLUTLY no way of offering more incentive than a more prestegeous market like NY or LA. This causes a bloating of contracts, and a CLOGGING of the cap. The teams have no choice but to offer the maximum, which will be demanded, and suffer because there is a cap.

You would think this shouldn't happen, because in theory, those 2 ideas, the max contract and the salary cap, would balance themselves out. But in reality, thats not how it works. Players know exactly what CAN be offered by a team, and will demand nothing less, while owners have 2 choices, Max contract or no FA. There is no in between.

 

[AleksandarN]

The way I see it, by having a "Maximum" level available, it throws off the aspect of the self balancing free market. With no salary cap, a player could be given an offer based on market conditions. If he is a good player in a position of high demand, a certain amount of money would be assesed to that person. The only way he gets more than "fair market value" is if a team is desperate to acquire him in a pace that he otherwise would not go to.

When you introduce the concept of a "Max" deal, and a set "MLE" and "VM", you have people, who are undeserving, even based on the market value, saying "You have 5 mill availabe for the MLE, I won't sign with you unless you offer me the whole thing" That comming from a pathetic player like Cardinal, who doesen't deserve more than 2.5 mill (IMHO). Not only that, but teams desperate to get a player that, due to location, is not a "prime target for FAs" like Utah, has ABSOLUTLY no way of offering more incentive than a more prestegeous market like NY or LA. This causes a bloating of contracts, and a CLOGGING of the cap. The teams have no choice but to offer the maximum, which will be demanded, and suffer because there is a cap.

You would think this shouldn't happen, because in theory, those 2 ideas, the max contract and the salary cap, would balance themselves out. But in reality, thats not how it works. Players know exactly what CAN be offered by a team, and will demand nothing less, while owners have 2 choices, Max contract or no FA. There is no in between.

All you have to do is look at baseball and see how many players are getting over payed. The absent of a structure does not prevent players from getting over payed actually it creates even worse contracts. It also creates a clear division between small market and big market teams.

 

[VF21]

All you have to do is look at baseball and see how many players are getting over payed. The absent of a structure does not prevent players from getting over payed actually it creates even worse contracts. It also creates a clear division between small market and big market teams.

Word.

 

[Kev.in]

If Trashbag James can get a $29 million contract, then I guess Dalembert deserves 75.

 

[Jerryaki]

If Trashbag James can get a $29 million contract, then I guess Dalembert deserves 75.

i will stop by the garden on game nights and boo trashbag man for you guys.

 

[Bricklayer]

i will stop by the garden on game nights and boo trashbag man for you guys.

don't think you/we have to bother -- I'm quite sure that's going to be taken care of by about 20,000 of the Garden faithful. What was Zeke thinking? Jerome does not impress me as the kind of guy who will be able to take the East Coast boorish fan behavior for very long without retreating into a little shell. First Zeke develops a hardon for a supersoft college player in Channing Frye who's going to get chewed up in NY, then he picks up an overgrown kid in the FA market. He's just throwing these poor saps to the wolves.

 

[Jerryaki]

don't think you/we have to bother -- I'm quite sure that's going to be taken care of by about 20,000 of the Garden faithful. What was Zeke thinking? Jerome does not impress me as the kind of guy who will be able to take the East Coast boorish fan behavior for very long without retreating into a little shell. First Zeke develops a hard on for a supersoft college player in Channing Frye who's going to get chewed up in NY, then he picks up an overgrown kid in the FA market. He's just throwing these poor saps to the Wolves.

zeke is...i don't know. it's starting to look like clippers east here. no rhyme or reason. yet i still can't get in cuz of the ridiculous garden prices. thank god for the nets.

dalembert would've been nice for the kings, but at the price tag, have fun in philly.