HereWeBoogie
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I have long maintained that guys like Dally, Noah, Ibaka, Favours and Sanders would be indeal next to DMC! That would be the definition of terrorizing opposition!
OMG Ibaka next to Cousins would be freakin PERFECT
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OMG Ibaka next to Cousins would be freakin PERFECT
gunks
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I was digging Henson too man. He needs to fill out, but he has had a bunch of beastly games for the Bucks already. Just a monster rebounder and shotblocker.
gunks
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Considering OKC shipped out Harden to keep Ibaka, I dont think they're going to let him go that easily.
HereWeBoogie
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oh i know. just a hypothetical. his shotblocking, quickness, ability to guard the stretch 4s, and ability to knock down open jumpers would be a perfect fit next to Cuz
So here's the big issue with Cuz. I have no problem with him playing PF. In fact, I think he'd be much better there offensively. But he has to show he can defend the position as well. Ibaka, Sanders, Favors are pretty much the only PF's in the NBA who can defend worth a damn. The C position is filled with much more defensive talent and would be much easier to find one available than at PF.
Hence the need for an agile, defensive center. Really, Cousins shouldn't have problems with most PFs, stretch 4s would be an issue, but he'd pound them on his end. That's where someone like Mbah A Moute helps on the perimeter. If our backcourt is stronger defensively, he won't have to try and clean up their mess, which is not his strong suit anyway. Seems like many guards got a free pass into the lane last year, breaking everything down.
I don't think he's as much a liability as many think. I think Malone will help.
I don't think he's as much a liability as many think. I think Malone will help.
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Bricklayer
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As you note, only a handful of PFs can really defend anymore for whatever reason, so the question becomes just how much would you really be giving away defensively with Cousins there instead of David Lee, or Kevin Love, or ZBo or Boozer or Big Baby?
Kingster
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Cousins can't guard the four. He'd get killed against stretch 4s, probably foul out in the first half or sit 80% of the game on the sidelines. Until the Kings can prove they can get Cousins the ball in the right place down low on a regular basis I think the stretch 4 fouls him out much sooner than the other way around. Also, it's a lot easier to double Cousins down low than a 4 on the wing. Heck, Cousins has a hard time staying in the game playing against centers, much less stretch 4s. The only way it works is if the guy you play at center can guard the stretch 4, and that seems to be a rare commodity.
By the way, if Malone is going to demand much more defense from Cousins, it is going to be interesting to see if Cousins is going to be able to keep from compiling fouls at a fantastic rate while playing such defense. There could be a fairly long learning curve in which Cousins gets used to playing high effort D like Malone wants while simultaneously learning how to do it with not fouling out. IMO, part of the reason behind the Cousins' "laziness" on D last year was his frustration with accumulating fouls at a high rate. He might have thought it's just easier to stay in the game if he doesn't play D altogether. And speaking of frustration, we all know that's the source of his acting out. If high defensive effort leads to more fouls, which leads to more frustration, that could be Cousins' main challenge early in the season.
By the way, if Malone is going to demand much more defense from Cousins, it is going to be interesting to see if Cousins is going to be able to keep from compiling fouls at a fantastic rate while playing such defense. There could be a fairly long learning curve in which Cousins gets used to playing high effort D like Malone wants while simultaneously learning how to do it with not fouling out. IMO, part of the reason behind the Cousins' "laziness" on D last year was his frustration with accumulating fouls at a high rate. He might have thought it's just easier to stay in the game if he doesn't play D altogether. And speaking of frustration, we all know that's the source of his acting out. If high defensive effort leads to more fouls, which leads to more frustration, that could be Cousins' main challenge early in the season.
Well, then, it's a good thing there's such a thing as cross-matchups. A team with a "stretch 4" is unlikely to also start a "stretch 5."
Who did Memphis have guarding stretch 4's?
And I'm unclear as to why Cousins would foul more often against a perimeter oriented, jump shooting PF vs battling with a guy in the post or defending someone taking it hard to the hoop.
Padrino
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i was thinking the same thing...
in my opinion, the demarcus cousins riddle isn't hard to solve. on offense, cousins is a versatile first option who is plenty capable of playing either the 5 or the 4, depending on coach's preference. but he's limited, defensively, so the kings need to acquire a starting-quality rim protector with at least modest mobility, a keon clark-type, a samuel dalembert-type, a player who can swing up to 5 or down to 4 defensively, depending on the matchups...
Or Indiana, for that matter? Or Chicago? Or Denver? Or San Antonio? Because only one of those five teams started a PF that could really be said to be good, defensively, and yet they all managed to avoid fouling out against stretch 4's... Get Cousins a defensive anchor to handle his light work, and a lot of those foul problems go away.
Hadlowe
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Tayshaun Prince. Those arms are a mile long.
Kingster
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How about the difficulty of guarding a guy much quicker than him in space rather than bodying up on him with 270+ lbs? And why would you want to take his defensive rebounding ability away from the basket in the process?
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Perhaps you could also mention which post that is (post number in the upper right hand corner), if it's not too much trouble. Some us aren't using the same display settings. With the settings I use, this thread is only six pages long.
Doesn't seem to bother Randolph that much.
Fear the Putin
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Cousins on the potential Shaq mentoring:
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/25/5594123/kings-notes-cousins-is-still-waiting.html
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/25/5594123/kings-notes-cousins-is-still-waiting.html
The very definition of a stretch four is a guy that stretches the floor with his outside shooting. Much easier to guard a guy who spots up than posts up. Ryan Anderson might get a few extra looks from the 3 point line if Cousins is guarding him and playing off to help rebound or just because he doesn't want to close out hard. Fine. I think the overwhelming mismatch on the other end more than makes up for it.
Who exactly are these "stretch" fours that are "much quicker" than DeMarcus and who would light him up?
HndsmCelt
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Agreed, while I understand the use of the "Stretch 4" against slower 4rs if the opposing PF can tear it up down low you will lose the war of attrition. give them each 10 shots and a guy hitting 40% at the 3 point line will loose to a guy hitting 80% in the paint all night long.
It shouldn't be an issue if the perimeter d is solid. Scheme will be important, because we still lack the appropriate personnel in several areas, so guard play will need to improve. The issue of a stretch 4 though, is minor compared to everything else. Mbah A Moute is a step in the right direction, as he could switch if necessary. I don't know of anyone playing an open post offense in the NBA, so I think we'll survive.
HereWeBoogie
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BTW, I hear the Kings will be meeting the DeMarcus Cousins' agent, Dan Fegan, to discuss contract extension in the near future.
BTW, I hear the Kings will be meeting the DeMarcus Cousins' agent, Dan Fegan, to discuss contract extension in the near future.
ParniValjak
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hallelujah!!!
Kingster
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/ranking-the-2012-13-nba-power-forwards
The question is not what pf Cousins could not guard. It's what pf he could guard. There are about 4 on that list that he could guard because their games are primarily inside. The rest? He'd be a fish out of water. Just in one aspect - beating Cousins down the floor for easy baskets - the names on that list could have a field day. Cousins is going to be played at center this year. You can bank on it. Westphal did it. Smart did it. And now Malone is going to do it. It's a waste of time to spend more time on the subject.
Agree to disagree. Cousins has guarded Blake Griffin, Zach Randolph and Tim Duncan and done just fine relative to the normal numbers those guys put up. Serge Ibaka, LeMarcus Aldridge and Chris Bosh wouldn't worry me much. None are really outside shooters per se and they'd have to guard Cousins on the other end. David Lee is a tough matchup as he would knock down outside shots and wear DMC out in transition. But again, he'd face just as much of a mismatch or more trying to guard DeMarcus on offense. Dirk in his prime would be about the worst matchup for Cousins as a PF. But other than having to hustle in transition none of these guys have nearly as big a quickness advantage over DMC as you seem to think they do. For his size Cousins has VERY good lateral quickness. Conditioning will continue to be an issue until it isn't, but I simply don't see him being as big a liability defensively at the PF as you.
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