Cousins suspended one game

Don't think you are being fair. I linked earlier to where Vlade had lots of techs as a player, but no one seemed to care.

Our organization has been terrible for a long time.

Make sure you point a equally weighted finger at the franchises history if you are gonna point it at Cousins too.
Vlade wouldn't sulk, get back slowly on D and didn't regularly get suspended or agrue with head coaches. That's the difference, it's a mixture of things that leave your head scratching.

If we were making the playoffs regularly with Boogie getting all those T's I'd be okay with it. Fair or not, you'll take all the W's with the T's. But when it's L's and T's, that's when me as a fan gets frustrated.
 
Vlade wouldn't sulk, get back slowly on D and didn't regularly get suspended or agrue with head coaches. That's the difference, it's a mixture of things that leave your head scratching.

If we were making the playoffs regularly with Boogie getting all those T's I'd be okay with it. Fair or not, you'll take all the W's with the T's. But when it's L's and T's, that's when me as a fan gets frustrated.
I'm more worried we are looking at a symptom, rather than the disease.

Our entire franchise has been a failure, let's try to understand that first.
 

kingsboi

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It's year 6, the suspensions are still there, the technicals are still there, the lazy/slow getting back on defense is still there and the sulking after a call he doesn't get is still there.

Yes, he is putting up career numbers and sometimes showing a level head. But the immaturity is still there and the techs/suspensions add up to loses.

Hopefully he one day gets it before it is too late because he is an extraordinary talent. If/when he develops mental toughness, he will be ready to lead. But until then, you can expect the same trend to continue (great stats, losing seasons).
Until he fixes his attitude and tendencies on the court, he won't be a winner IMO. It's easy to express anger when time are tough, it takes true determination, focus and loyalty to endure so much losing. He has done so far, not in ways we want to see. I don't know if he will ever change, at least as long as he is a King, I feel a change of scenery will do wonders for him.
 
Don't think you are being fair. I linked earlier to where Vlade had lots of techs as a player, but no one seemed to care.

Our organization has been terrible for a long time.

Make sure you point a equally weighted finger at the franchises history if you are gonna point it at Cousins too.
Because Vlade's teams WON. It's also the difference when people bring up guys like Kobe, KG, Shaq, Blake, etc. Those guys were on winners, so their faults were largely ignored because their franchises were winning

Like it or not, winning or losing falls onto it's best player. When a team wins, they get praised. When they lose, it's all their fault. I know it isn't all Boogie's fault, but he's going to get the blame because that's how it's worked in the NBA since the beginning of the game. Guess what, if we were winning, he'd be getting praise for how's he's turned the corner and finally gotten Sacramento out of it's playoff hell-hole.
 
I'm more worried we are looking at a symptom, rather than the disease.

Our entire franchise has been a failure, let's try to understand that first.
I do get that, and I understand your points. It's a dysfunctional marriage. A great player that is mentally weak and prone to laziness on D,techs, suspensions. And an organization that has shat the bed the past 6 years.
 
Because Vlade's teams WON. It's also the difference when people bring up guys like Kobe, KG, Shaq, Blake, etc. Those guys were on winners, so their faults were largely ignored because their franchises were winning

Like it or not, winning or losing falls onto it's best player. When a team wins, they get praised. When they lose, it's all their fault. I know it isn't all Boogie's fault, but he's going to get the blame because that's how it's worked in the NBA since the beginning of the game. Guess what, if we were winning, he'd be getting praise for how's he's turned the corner and finally gotten Sacramento out of it's playoff hell-hole.
Sorry not good enough for me. I've seen pretty much zero from the hierarchy to leave them out of this.
 
Sorry not good enough for me. I've seen pretty much zero from the hierarchy to leave them out of this.
Why does one have to be separate from the other?

As Dbeltz said, a great player that has struggled to keep his emotions in check and develop into a leader. And a franchise that has constantly screwed up around him at many different levels.
 
I'm more worried we are looking at a symptom, rather than the disease.

Our entire franchise has been a failure, let's try to understand that first.
Basically. Cousins on Team USA. Cousins with Malone. We've seen what you mostly want out of Cuz.

What we've not seen is the franchise and organization itself figure out how to build a winner. I keep waiting for some sensible basketball moves while everyone is talking about proper NBA etiquette. If you want well mannered losers then go ahead. I figure most fans want winning, and that means holding the organization accountable.
 
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Im Still Ballin

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I'm tired of Demarcus playing his "I'm innocent" game. There are issues on all sides of the problem. This just isn't the right way to act.
 
Basically. Cousins on Team USA. Cousins with Malone. We've seen what you mostly want out of Cuz.

What we've not seen is the franchise and organization itself figure out how to build a winner. I keep waiting for some sensible basketball moves while everyone is talking about proper NBA etiquette. If you want well mannered losers then go ahead. I figure most fans want winning, and that means holding the organization accountable.
Agreed, was going to reply to someone else but no need after this post.
 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
That would require them to actually REPORT WHAT THEY ARE PRIVILEGED TO HEAR, and to inform the public of the truth of things.

But that is not they're job anymore (I don't know if it ever was for "reporters").
There is not one person involved with the Kings that would actually tell the truth, if it isn't what their employers want them to. In other words, they are basically puppets of the Kings, only acting on their behalf to perpetuate the narrative the front office wants published.
And yes, this includes Carmichael Dave, and he's admitted as much that he feels he's fallen on the sword of truth enough already, and won't endanger his job by revealing info.

Ok. I've tried. You're a straight up wacko. I don't know what else to tell you.

I won't speak for anyone else in the media. But if you want to keep wearing your tinfoil hat and believing that garbage, I'd remind you I've already been fired once for "speaking my mind". Which I continue to do. I don't know what else to say.

I'll try one more time, for funsies, and I'll go slow, and yes I'm being purposely snarky and smarmy because I can't stand stupid-

I hear stuff. I can't always share it all. Why? Cause I won't hear stuff ever again. I share what I can. Sometimes I share more than I should. You're confusing "falling on the sword of truth" or whatever Game of Thrones crap you threw out with "not burning confidences" or my favorite
"pushing the agenda. "

So in your world, (and again I respect everyone else in the media too much to speak for them), in YOUR world there's some sort of undercurrent marching orders from the franchise. We get the email, have the convo, or pick up the carrier pigeon- and just go forth with our agendas?

Christ man, get a grip. Life is too short. I know the Internet is weird and I'm one of those weirdos, but no one tells me to say or not say jack sheet. The day that happens I'm gone and will become a farmer or something.

Last time- you're horribly confusing not blabbing every single thing that comes across one's desk with some sort of agenda theory, and it's not only wrong, it's pretty damned funny.

The media are not some insider illuminati. I would bet the average income on this board is well higher than your average Kings media member. Relevant only to illustrate that the only difference between media and fan is a bit of access. It's nothing else. Nothing.

Hell, as much as we've gone rounds together and I think he's an overbearing dingledong sometimes (love you Brick) but I'd take Bricklayer (and several other members of his board's knowledge over many of the people that cover the team.

That's not a swipe at anyone, I'm just trying in many many different ways possible to eliminate this imagined divide that SOME (not all) believe exist between "common fan" and media member. Most people don't want or won't say that. But as a fan first and media guy second, I've made that journey. And several others here locally have as well, in there own way.

So if you think there's some sort of mass conspiracy to not speak truth to power (which usually people think when THEIR opinion is not the narrative spoken or general consensus, therefore everyone else is a coward), I strongly suggest you find a media outlet, get a job, get a credential, get access, and then come back shortly after and read this thread. Then you will most certainly repeatedly punch yourself in the face for being a goddamned weirdo about all of this.

Flame on, I'm sure there will be some awesomely constructed and piecemeal quoted response at length, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong, at least where I'm concerned. Please be sure to use internet argument terms like "straw man" and "just saying" for extra effect.

God bless all of you and our Sacramento Kings.
 

Glenn

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I'm more worried we are looking at a symptom, rather than the disease.

Our entire franchise has been a failure, let's try to understand that first.
Indeed. Boogie had gripes and so did WCS. Can't blame it on one person unless you think WCS, who seems to be a very independent and confident person, is following the tainted lead of Boogie.

I have trouble with the franchise argument though. Vivek is the start of a new era. He is not a Maloof.

I am not saying I know what is going on but the first correct move was to throw an inexperienced Vlade into the FO. Now I hope Vlade gets a skilled GM and between them they get a coach. That could make a big difference.

There are no simple answers.
 

VF21

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NOTE: If you want to start talking about trading DMC (what a shock) it doesn't go here. It goes in the Personnel Moves forum, which is where I've moved two posts.
 

Glenn

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Ok. I've tried. You're a straight up wacko. I don't know what else to tell you.

I won't speak for anyone else in the media. But if you want to keep wearing your tinfoil hat and believing that garbage, I'd remind you I've already been fired once for "speaking my mind". Which I continue to do. I don't know what else to say.

I'll try one more time, for funsies, and I'll go slow, and yes I'm being purposely snarky and smarmy because I can't stand stupid-

I hear stuff. I can't always share it all. Why? Cause I won't hear stuff ever again. I share what I can. Sometimes I share more than I should. You're confusing "falling on the sword of truth" or whatever Game of Thrones crap you threw out with "not burning confidences" or my favorite
"pushing the agenda. "

So in your world, (and again I respect everyone else in the media too much to speak for them), in YOUR world there's some sort of undercurrent marching orders from the franchise. We get the email, have the convo, or pick up the carrier pigeon- and just go forth with our agendas?

Christ man, get a grip. Life is too short. I know the Internet is weird and I'm one of those weirdos, but no one tells me to say or not say jack sheet. The day that happens I'm gone and will become a farmer or something.

Last time- you're horribly confusing not blabbing every single thing that comes across one's desk with some sort of agenda theory, and it's not only wrong, it's pretty damned funny.

The media are not some insider illuminati. I would bet the average income on this board is well higher than your average Kings media member. Relevant only to illustrate that the only difference between media and fan is a bit of access. It's nothing else. Nothing.

Hell, as much as we've gone rounds together and I think he's an overbearing dingledong sometimes (love you Brick) but I'd take Bricklayer (and several other members of his board's knowledge over many of the people that cover the team.

That's not a swipe at anyone, I'm just trying in many many different ways possible to eliminate this imagined divide that SOME (not all) believe exist between "common fan" and media member. Most people don't want or won't say that. But as a fan first and media guy second, I've made that journey. And several others here locally have as well, in there own way.

So if you think there's some sort of mass conspiracy to not speak truth to power (which usually people think when THEIR opinion is not the narrative spoken or general consensus, therefore everyone else is a coward), I strongly suggest you find a media outlet, get a job, get a credential, get access, and then come back shortly after and read this thread. Then you will most certainly repeatedly punch yourself in the face for being a goddamned weirdo about all of this.

Flame on, I'm sure there will be some awesomely constructed and piecemeal quoted response at length, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong, at least where I'm concerned. Please be sure to use internet argument terms like "straw man" and "just saying" for extra effect.

God bless all of you and our Sacramento Kings.
It is horribly disrespectful not to read the whole note but I stopped at paragraph 1. That was a good start. You have no need to justify anything to me.
 
Cousins just wants to win. He's bringing in MVP worthy stats per night. But his team mates are shooting 30% FG and can't guard the perimeter.
Every night, a guard will lit this team with 30 pts. But no freakin big is able to bring in their A game against Cuz.

Yet Vlade failed trade for a better guard after his summer haul. And Karl continues to lust over a Collison-Rondo super undersized backcourt.
But at the end of the Cuz still accept everything as his fault. He gets to be the one where all the fingers point.

Maybe because he has a pouting face. Maybe because he curses instead of punching his own team mate for being freakin brick machine.
Maybe because his coach has better smile than him although Karl still can't resist playing his temptation candy of undersized backcourt that get burned every game.
Maybe the saviour title of Vivek is shielding him from his BPO kind of getting coaches that scares legit candidates.

So now finally as standard culmination. DMC gets the blame plaque of appreciation. Another gloomy season for very talented player.
 
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Im Still Ballin

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NOTE: If you want to start talking about trading DMC (what a shock) it doesn't go here. It goes in the Personnel Moves forum, which is where I've moved two posts.
Another shining example why this forum stinks. "This is where we applaud, this is where we say this, this is where we disagree with this"

Forum nazis I tell you. Stifling discussion 101.
 
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KingMilz

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So weak by the Kings organisation they wait till we are out of the playoff race to suspended him when he did the exact same thing prior in the season and get a slap on the wrist. If you didn't suspend him the first time don't suspend him now.......
 

VF21

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Another shining example why this forum stinks. "This is where we applaud, this is where we say this, this is where we disagree with this"

Forum nazis I tell you. Stifling discussion 101.
Oh grow up. This is a thread based forum with categories that have evolved over the years for a reason. I simply moved two posts into a thread of their own. It doesn't stifle discussion. In fact, there may be more discussion from people who see the sub-topic in its own thread.
 

VF21

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So weak by the Kings organisation they wait till we are out of the playoff race to suspended him when he did the exact same thing prior in the season and get a slap on the wrist. If you didn't suspend him the first time don't suspend him now.......
To be honest, I have to believe they had no choice but to suspend precisely because they had already done the slap on the wrist. And remember, Vlade fired one of Karl's coaches.
 
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KingMilz

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To be honest, I have to believe they had no choice but to suspend precisely because they had already done the slap on the wrist. And remember, Vlade fired one of Karl's coaches.
Thing is he's had a good history of verbally going after everyone that was not the first time in his career, you got to be consistent I just feel it's so weak they would only do it once the season is basically over where it does not mean anything or set a tone for the future. All I want is some consistency with everything the Kings do but they always take shortcuts and the easy way out in every aspect from on the court to off the court.
 

VF21

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Thing is he's had a good history of verbally going after everyone that was not the first time in his career, you got to be consistent I just feel it's so weak they would only do it once the season is basically over where it does not mean anything or set a tone for the future. All I want is some consistency with everything the Kings do but they always take shortcuts and the easy way out in every aspect from on the court to off the court.
But we have consistency. We consistently suck...and disappoint...and embarrass...etc.

I apologize for my attitude, but if you check the "drama" thread I just started, I think you'll understand why.
 
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KingMilz

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But we have consistency. We consistently suck...and disappoint...and embarrass...etc.

I apologize for my attitude, but if you check the "drama" thread I just started, I think you'll understand why.
I understand and you got me on the consistently suck bit as well it's not the best year to be a Kings fan .....
 
To be honest, I have to believe they had no choice but to suspend precisely because they had already done the slap on the wrist. And remember, Vlade fired one of Karl's coaches.
I actually support the Kings FO not suspending the first time. Have a talk with him, sit him down and say this behavior is not acceptable. And at the end say this shouldn't happen again.

Then it happened again, so suspend him. Regarding this situation, the FO handled the DMC situation correctly.