=LarryLegend=
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I think i just threw up in my mouth.
Consolidated Artest rumor thread
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Bricklayer
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To be within 25% we actually need a second player included in the deal, whether it is Kleiza or not (Najera earns $4.9mil).
I could see things working any number of ways, including bigger deals involving Nene as well as Najera with us sending something like SAR back with Ron, or JR Smith as the second player insteasd of Kleiza -- a player I doubt we want, so maybe we try to get a third team involved to take him.
I can't believe this deal is being held up by a player named Linas.
(actually the bigger issues might be Ron's nuttiness added to an already twitchy crew, Karl feeling the noose tightening about his throat with an uncoachable lockerroom, and the utter salary cap hell the Nuggets would be looking at next year with all their big dumb contracts stacked up ($22mil to Iverson, $14mil to Melo, $14mil to Kenyon, $10mil to Nene, $8mil to Camby) and Ron looking for a big raise as well
I could see things working any number of ways, including bigger deals involving Nene as well as Najera with us sending something like SAR back with Ron, or JR Smith as the second player insteasd of Kleiza -- a player I doubt we want, so maybe we try to get a third team involved to take him.
I can't believe this deal is being held up by a player named Linas.
(actually the bigger issues might be Ron's nuttiness added to an already twitchy crew, Karl feeling the noose tightening about his throat with an uncoachable lockerroom, and the utter salary cap hell the Nuggets would be looking at next year with all their big dumb contracts stacked up ($22mil to Iverson, $14mil to Melo, $14mil to Kenyon, $10mil to Nene, $8mil to Camby) and Ron looking for a big raise as well
=LarryLegend=
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VF!! lol please tell me you know something!!
jr is a expiring also
jr is a expiring also
Dime Dropper
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To be within 25% we actually need a second player included in the deal, whether it is Kleiza or not (Najera earns $4.9mil).
I could see things working any number of ways, including bigger deals involving Nene as well as Najera with us sending something like SAR back with Ron, or JR Smith as the second player insteasd of Kleiza -- a player I doubt we want, so maybe we try to get a third team involved to take him.
I can't believe this deal is being held up by a player named Linas.
I could be wrong here, but I think JR is expiring this year. If we don't like him we could just use him as an expiring and let him walk. Only thing is, I'm not sure Denver gives up a 1st round pick along with Smith and Najera.
=LarryLegend=
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I think they would include their pick with jr, they dont want him.
Rockmeister
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=LarryLegend=
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i think i was joking buddy
Dime Dropper
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That I can agree with. At least he's made it clear he's intent on rebuilding. That was up in the air for a long time. I hope he can go a step further today by moving Ron. Have a bad feeling, though.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He's also a pariah with the I.Q. of a shrubbery, and the way the Nuggets are acting, I think they may be higher on Kleiza. How, they think Rn, Melo and Kleiza are all going to be able to play together out there I do not know.
=LarryLegend=
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on a side note, do you think lue is really hurt? if its a sprain....does he still move?
Dime Dropper
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Oh, there's no doubt in my mind they like Kleiza more. I'd rather Kleiza, too. My point was that I don't think Denver are willing to give up Kleiza and Najera for Ron, so I'm still not sure whether they'd give up Smith and a pick in place of Kleiza. They probably would rather that than give up Kleiza, but your point about those 3 not mixing well is valid. I don't think they bite. Those guys just don't seem to mesh well, at least not on paper.
Dime Dropper
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Can't see anyone having much interest in Lue. At least, they wouldn't be willing to make us an offer that would be better to us than Lues expiring. I'd take a second rounder, but don't think any takers. I think the injury was just that, an injury.
=LarryLegend=
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does denver include her with trade?
Bricklayer
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Actually there are reportedly several teams interested in Lue -- Suns and Boston at least. And I wonder about Miami and Cleveland. Suns have a trade exception too to actually get him, but yeah, that 2nd round pick is the key. Minor little thing, but a no brainer move for us if somebody will juat do it.
Jerichoholic
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Ron has to be moved before tomorrow's deadline, there is no way around that. I'm not saying Petrie will do it but if he's in his right mind then he will.
Here are the facts...if we move Ron to Denver for Najera, JR Smith, and their 1st round pick (which is what Denver is reportedly offering) then we still get to dump salary AND we get a 1st round pick which could end up being a lottery pick if Denver somehow doesn't make the playoffs, which could happen in the tough Western Conference. It may not be the perfect package but it's something.
If we do not move him before the deadline then he leaves this offseason for nothing when he opts out or worse he doesn't opt out and he holds back our rebuilding effort for another year.
Finally, people have talked about using Ron in a sign and trade in the offseason. Interesting topic but not possible and here's why...Ron will most likely sign a deal in the 10 million plus/year range and if the Kings use a sign and trade then they will have to take on equal salary which they have stated is against their long term plans. We probably wouldn't be able to get back a good enough player anyway because no team will trade us a player better than Ron just to sign him...that makes no sense.
PETRIE...MOVE RON NOW, THERE IS NO CHOICE!
Here are the facts...if we move Ron to Denver for Najera, JR Smith, and their 1st round pick (which is what Denver is reportedly offering) then we still get to dump salary AND we get a 1st round pick which could end up being a lottery pick if Denver somehow doesn't make the playoffs, which could happen in the tough Western Conference. It may not be the perfect package but it's something.
If we do not move him before the deadline then he leaves this offseason for nothing when he opts out or worse he doesn't opt out and he holds back our rebuilding effort for another year.
Finally, people have talked about using Ron in a sign and trade in the offseason. Interesting topic but not possible and here's why...Ron will most likely sign a deal in the 10 million plus/year range and if the Kings use a sign and trade then they will have to take on equal salary which they have stated is against their long term plans. We probably wouldn't be able to get back a good enough player anyway because no team will trade us a player better than Ron just to sign him...that makes no sense.
PETRIE...MOVE RON NOW, THERE IS NO CHOICE!
=LarryLegend=
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Ron with def want more than kmarts deal 55+
nbrans
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Amick just updated his blog post:
(10:40 a.m.):
Add San Antonio to the list of teams that will try to steal Ron Artest.
I don't see Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie biting, but I'm told that the Spurs will (or maybe have) offer the expiring contracts of Francisco Elson and Brent Barry (combined $8.54 million) for Artest. A draft pick would likely be available, too, but this would seem to be yet another low-ball offer as the Kings see it. But if it did happen and Ron was united with the team he demolished in the playoffs two years ago? Oooweee. The rich would be filthy rich...
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
Hmmmmmmmmmm.......
(10:40 a.m.):
Add San Antonio to the list of teams that will try to steal Ron Artest.
I don't see Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie biting, but I'm told that the Spurs will (or maybe have) offer the expiring contracts of Francisco Elson and Brent Barry (combined $8.54 million) for Artest. A draft pick would likely be available, too, but this would seem to be yet another low-ball offer as the Kings see it. But if it did happen and Ron was united with the team he demolished in the playoffs two years ago? Oooweee. The rich would be filthy rich...
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
Hmmmmmmmmmm.......
Jechtsphere
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That would be a crap deal, we get a first that will be what 25 plus pick?
nbrans
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For all intents and purposes, from what we know the Spurs and Nuggets are basically offering the same deal. Nuggets: Najera and Smith (expiring, Smith probably wouldn't be in long term plans) and 1st. Spurs: epxirings and 1st. Their records are going to end up being pretty similar. Six of one, half dozen of the other. But hopefully the prospect of one of their rivals getting Artest will inspire one or the other to up their offer. Nuggets need to part with Kleiza, Spurs would have to include (at least) Splitter or Mahinmi.
HighFlyingMonkey
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Jerichoholic
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Why do that deal when you can deal with Denver or Houston which will most likely offer better picks? It's too bad San Antonio already got rid of Luis Scola.
The Kings problem right now is that they are unlucky enough to where the main teams that wanted Artest (Denver & Houston) are on fire right now and don't feel as pressured to deal their young talent. San Antonio is not playing as well so they feel more pressured to make a move but unfortunately they just don't have the young talent we need. I guess Tiago Splitter is an option but who knows if he will even come to play in the NBA.
The Kings problem right now is that they are unlucky enough to where the main teams that wanted Artest (Denver & Houston) are on fire right now and don't feel as pressured to deal their young talent. San Antonio is not playing as well so they feel more pressured to make a move but unfortunately they just don't have the young talent we need. I guess Tiago Splitter is an option but who knows if he will even come to play in the NBA.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Rights to Tiago Splitter would be the tipper I would think.
Also I think at this point only about three games seperate San Antonio and Denver, so the picks are likely going to be in the same range. I do like the greater liklihood that the Nuggets will be the power team left out of the playoffs, thus giving us a second lottery pick. But if the Spurs would thrwo in Splitter I would be pretty happy. He sank so far in the draft after being scouted so extensively over the years I wonder now if teams finally concluded he really wasn't a lottery talent afterall, but he's still another young big who has always been considered an NBA lock, and if you get one young big out of Bibby (Shelden) and one out of Ron (Splitter), while assuring yourself of $20 mil in cleared caproom this offseason, well...
Jerichoholic
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The reasons I prefer Denver's pick is like you said they could be the team that gets left out and also even if they make the playoffs I would expect San Antonio to go farther because of their experience. Either way we get a draft pick though which is better than nothing if we don't trade at all.
The thing with Splitter is it's true he was considered lottery pick talent over the past few years but if I remember right he started to have some back problems and some teams were also concerned he might not enter the league either by choice or buyout reasons.
LPKingsFan
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Playoff success doesn't affect draft order, though. It's solely based on end of the year record.
Lawrence Funderburke
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From Sam Amick!!
Sorry for the exclamation points... i'm just super excited for anything to happen with our Kings!
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
February 20, 2008
Artest staying...for now
12:22 p.m.
The Spurs may be nearing a deal for Artest, although it's also believed Denver may finally be willing to give up Linas Kleiza. Of course, my flight from Portland to Sacramento is at this very moment, so we'll see where things stand when I land.
Sorry for the exclamation points... i'm just super excited for anything to happen with our Kings!
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
February 20, 2008
Artest staying...for now
12:22 p.m.
The Spurs may be nearing a deal for Artest, although it's also believed Denver may finally be willing to give up Linas Kleiza. Of course, my flight from Portland to Sacramento is at this very moment, so we'll see where things stand when I land.
Rockmeister
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Hurry up and land. LOL
nbrans
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WOW. Thank goodness for two playoff rivals bidding against each other. This could get interesting.
Jechtsphere
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That made me happy to read, let them battle it out for the next 24 hours and we'll accept the best deal.
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